Fidel Castro

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My thoughts on Castro are the same as with any dictator: How much stuff (good and bad) was actually his call, and how much was the people around him? It wouldn't surprise me if Castro ran everything himself, but I just want to know exactly what was really his idea.
 
Much like when the last goofball from Best Korea passed idiots go well look at the public there! No shit his empire is still in place his brother has been in charge for years, anyone there who gave their honest feeling would be wisked away.

Most people think he smoked those huge churchill cigars, but he had better taste his go to was a lancero. For being a godless commie dictator at least he had a good taste in his smokes.
 
Heimdallr dijo:
I notice there are a lot of positive feelings for Castro and people stating he is "controversial."

Is there some reason Saddam didn't get many nice obituaries after his death?
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Whatever else one can say about Castro, he never gassed his own people.

Coleman Francis dijo:
The USA was a very open society, civil liberties, freedoms, social justice for ALL American civilians.
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The civil rights act wasn't passed until 5 years after Castro came to power.
 
THe whole "who was worse PER CAPITA? Sure, Fidel killed SOME people, but, only a few who needed it, while the USA kills with abandon all over the world!!!" thing going around the apologist part of the web is just sickening.

He was a dictator.

Dictators should not be admired in the modern world.

And I mean the REAL kind, not the "Well, *insert democratic first world leader here* is PRACTICALLY a dictator because they uphold the current unjust capitalist system..... yadda yadda yadda" I mean the kind that never has to worry about how popular/unpopular they are because the cannot be democratically removed without massive acts of country-spanning rebellion and violence.

People got on leaky inner tubes and braved the open ocean in the hopes that wherever they landed, if they landed, would be BETTER than living under him. That should put the kibosh on any "controversy" over whether he was good or bad.
 
DuskEngine dijo:
Whatever else one can say about Castro, he never gassed his own people.
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I would have thought it was because Saddam wasn't a communist and didn't have the privilege of being popularised the way Che Guevara did.

He didn't gas his own people, but he had firing squads and would kill anyone who said shit he didn't like, kind of like North Korea. They're both scumshit and the end result is the same - a dead person is a dead person.

That being said, I recall Saddam's sons (Uday and Qusay) being involved in raping people? I don't know if Castro or anyone in his regime did that.
 
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Most of the folks on my neck of the woods hate him, and blame him for all the shit that goes down in South America- i.e. why the continent is often stuck with corrupt dictatorships. Maduro, Chavez, Morales...They're not popular. And we won't even mention the classics, like Fujimori or Pinochet...
 
Mentioning Pinochet reminds me that most of the Fidel worship is just knee-jerk America hate.

I mean, I have no problem with criticizing the US for putting guys like Pinochet in power and shielding them from removal by shady means. I can get behind that. But, a lot of these people want it both ways. It's not only wrong for US policy to support South American juntas, but it's also wrong for policy to try to remove them through sanction or military force.

It's one or the other, people, either we have the right to determine who's in charge or we don't (and I'd say we don't) but whatever side you take, be CONSISTENT or else you're just another identity politics douche pleading special cases.

Dictators who brutally oppress their people suck, you can't support one because he stays in power despite US influence anymore than you can decry one who is in power only THROUGH US influence.

That's the problem with all of this, it's driven by people who have such a hate boner for the evils of Capitalism/America that ANY move is the wrong one, and they damage their case much like how SJWs do when EVERYTHING is racist.
 
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Pinochet was a great commie he gave all the party members free helicopter rides.

We have a long and often foolish history with how we interacted with Latin and South America. Fidel was not a great guy and loved to ruffle our feathers he was good at it. So all the people who are celebrating him are just really happy he thumbed his nose to the US.

My favorite part of Cuba being so trolly, My grandparents managed to get their legally in early 2000s. A "state gift" to all travelers was a propaganda film, on VHS. The stories on it were pretty funny and painfully untrue, like Fidel would just roll around in the ghetto (oh but no one was poor) and bring dinner to a family and eat with them. This was multi weekly he apparently did this.

My biggest question and fear is Castro had been out of the game for a while but was the figurehead, Raul is winding down too. I think the Cuban people are at a turning point and I fear their desire to get away from these awful dictators they will jump on the capitalism train foolheartly and soon enough you'll have Pepsi Presents the Island of Cuba, a Hilton company. If that's to be the future, it would have been better off if America kicked the Spanish off and just kept it.
 
Fidel was a victim of real life weening, when two Miami DJs prankcalled him using Hugo Chavez soundclips

 
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