Feminist Kiwis (not a honeypot)

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MademoisellePiggy dijo:
It's always a little annoying (read: a godawful pain in the ass) when I have to interact with my feminist female peers.

I still try to stand my ground when I explain that while I believe in equality, I refuse to associate myself with third-wave feminists... But let's say that they try to guilt-trip me into admitting that Feminism is The One True Way Of Life(tm).
It's incredible how pushy they are when it comes to dragging people into their ideology... It's kind of like a cult and it's terrifying. They keep telling me that all the good things I have in life now are thanks to feminism (which I won't entirely deny, but it's not their feminism, my rights to vote, own property and abort if needed- and only under certain circumstances- I owe to first and second wave feminism, not their shrill fear-mongering bullshit) and they really try to pull at my nerves, pressing where it hurts to force me to agree.

The most recent example I can think of, and I will give you context for this, I am an oveweight young woman (but I apparently get white and 'pretty face' privilege... So that's a thing.) and they will constantly tell me how the Patriarchy will treat me like shit, how I am 'socially handicapped' because of my weight, how men think that I'm disgusting and how I'm oppressed by Womens' Magazines and the fashion industry and whatnot.

The funny thing is that in my adult life (because anything pre-adulthood doesn't count as children and teens are all little shits by definition) never has a (respectable) man insulted me about my weight. Who has, though? Feminists.
I mean, sure, they put their insults in the mouth of the Patriarchy, but it's there. It's textbook fear-mongering and it exasperates me more than anything. They are the ones who tell me I'm 'socially handicapped' because of my size, not the Patriarchy.

They don't even have any consideration for the Feminists who fought before them, those who fought the real fights (known as: not whining about manspreading, not screaming about fictional characters' portrayals and not throwing a tantrum about women not adhering to the cult).
Have any of them read about Simone de Beauvoir or Olympe de Gouges? No. But you bet they'll cherrypick out-of-context quotes from their essays and slap pixel pastel shit on it to post it on Tumblr.

TL;DR = Equality is great, I believe in that. Feminism as a movement got cancer, which is now terminal, and needs euthanesia as soon as possible.
Textbook Feminism doesn't exist under the pink banner anymore.
And tbh it pains me more than anything to see girls get roped into that shit.
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Abortions4All dijo:
Yeah so the thing about that is: funding doesn't just HAPPEN. The reason there are women's shelters isn't that society has always deemed them necessary to fund. It's because feminists fought like hell to get that funding, donated a shitload of money to private shelters, volunteered their time to build them, and so on.

Same thing with divorce and custody. Until the mid-20th century, fathers were always the people who got custody, unless they didn't want it. Women's fight for more custody rights led first to something called the "tender years doctrine" that generally left young kids in their mother's care, and later to child support enforcement laws. Today, states favor joint custody arrangements, most dads who want custody get it, and even men who are police-documented physical abusers routinely get joint custody or unsupervised visitation. The reason so few kids are living with their dads? Most dads don't ask for custody.

When's the last time you saw any of the men's rights guys do a damn thing for male victims of domestic violence? I've seen feminists offer up their houses to women in domestic violence situations. Hell, most women I know have at some point had to put up a woman whose boyfriend was beating the hell out of them, feminist or not.

How many male victims of domestic violence do you suppose the average men's rights activist is willing to provide shelter for? How many hours do you think they'd volunteer lobbying? Would they donate toilet paper and deodorant to the men's DV shelter?

This is why I think their whole movement is a joke. If there was a men's movement that was actually about solving problems for male victims of violence, et cetera, it'd be well-received by the general public. The reason people roll their eyes at "meninists" is that the activists' priorities seem to actually be "force women to sleep with men like me" and other similar agenda items.

Of course, it's not like today's feminist movement is doing any better. For all the crying men's rights activists do about feminists, today's feminists aren't bothering to actually do a damn thing to improve conditions for women. They'd sooner have an hours-long twitter war over a TV show's representation of women than fight for American women to have even enough maternity leave to be able to recover physically from the act of pushing out an infant, and they'd CERTAINLY never be so culturally insensitive as to fight female genital mutilation (and they'll make sure you know that the very term is transphobic).

Instead, from both sides of this gender divide, it's a bunch of unattractive (inside and out) narcissists finding justifications for insisting that people should sleep with them and pay them as much attention as they crave.
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I hope these get signal boosted to the entire world.
 
I consider myself a feminist (and even believe in the tenets of social justice) but I never call myself one, nor would I associate myself with social justice groups. People have said it with better words than I have before, but there's so much abuse and outright hatred among those groups, and I say that on a forum dedicated to gang-stalking and picking on dumb people on the internet.

Honestly if I were a woman and given a choice between hanging out with a bunch of feminists and a bunch of MRAs I'd pick the MRAs, because while the MRAs might be smelly and say mean things to me the feminists are going to shove their shit down my through while pretending to fawn over me, and if there's a Male Ally present I'll probably get sexually assaulted Devin Faraci-style.
 
SJWs, even as the term is used by alt-righters, have absolutely nothing to do with actual justice, social or otherwise. They view all of existence as a grudge match in a nihilistic, zero sum way I used to associate with Randroids and other similar right wingers. Except worse. And dumber. You can actually reason with Randroids to some degree. SJWs literally reject the whole idea of logic and facts as somehow oppressive.
 
AnOminous dijo:
SJWs, even as the term is used by alt-righters, have absolutely nothing to do with actual justice, social or otherwise. They view all of existence as a grudge match in a nihilistic, zero sum way I used to associate with Randroids and other similar right wingers. Except worse. And dumber. You can actually reason with Randroids to some degree. SJWs literally reject the whole idea of logic and facts as somehow oppressive.
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I once saw a post that read "what people mean when they say that they're unbiased, rational, or logical is that they are actually a white man." Apparently, this was meant as an insult to white men and was hailed as a witty critique of the patriarchy.

I cannot fathom the mental gymnastics involved to this very night.
 
Null dijo:
Never forget that Social Justice was the name of a Fascist newspaper headed by American Nazi sympathizer and the first political radio talking head: Charles Coughlin.

I'm also very fond of this video.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=TUBoWi37Y8o
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"Social justice" under broadly similar names has been around since Chesterton. It shows up in the canon law of the Catholic Church. When people gathered in Tahrir Square before everything went to shit there, they called for "bread, freedom, social justice," and they sure as shit weren't talking about representation in media or any of that garbage.

It's not an inherently dirty phrase outside of the US (or even just the internet, really).
 
Gym Leader Elesa dijo:
I once saw a post that read "what people mean when they say that they're unbiased, rational, or logical is that they are actually a white man." Apparently, this was meant as an insult to white men and was hailed as a witty critique of the patriarchy.

I cannot fathom the mental gymnastics involved to this very night.
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Considering SJWs are severely biased and do prioritize fee-fees over rationality and logic, I'd say it fits just fine. Of course, why a group would want to be the opposite of unbiased rational and logical is another matter entirely.
 
Gym Leader Elesa dijo:
I once saw a post that read "what people mean when they say that they're unbiased, rational, or logical is that they are actually a white man." Apparently, this was meant as an insult to white men and was hailed as a witty critique of the patriarchy.

I cannot fathom the mental gymnastics involved to this very night.
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Well I would think the idea is that when people are aware of the fact that they have inherent biases and that their perspective is influenced by their lot in life, they're less likely to claim (delusionally) that they are a totally rational person (hint: nobody is). And you definitely hear it the most from MRAs and other young OWNED BY LOGIC types - though not all are white or male. There are certainly dangerous undertones there though. Logic and rationality don't belong to white men, even if immature white males happen to be the most represented in young people overestimating their own rationality. Again, purely on the internet.
 
I agree that a wage gap exists, but people don't really take into account things like pregnancy, maternity leave, menstrual periods, menopause, etc. Not to mention that men typically work higher-risk jobs than women do. To pin everything on some imaginary sexist menace that's out to get women is silly and childish: the only way to make progress is simply to stop whining and start doing.
 
I'm not surprised there are feminists here (I'm not complaining), I'm surprised there are that many in the history of the farms.

I'm not against it, I have friends who are feminists, but I've seen many examples of it being used just to justify misandry.
 
The Cunting Death dijo:
I'm not surprised there are feminists here (I'm not complaining), I'm surprised there are that many in the history of the farms.

I'm not against it, I have friends who are feminists, but I've seen many examples of it being used just to justify misandry.
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Considering this is a place that thinks people who need eyeglasses deserve the death penalty, it's downright a MIRACLE.
 
I doubt back when this thread was originally posted there were any radfems posting here, just people who generally believe in equality but don't have any serious hang ups about men. Probably in more recent days you see those types because of the TERF sect within feminism.
 
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