Fake Trannies v. Real Trannies

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The general consensus within most communities is that a "fake tranny" is a transtrender, or someone who thinks of tr0nssexuality as more of a costume than a journey to being comfortable with oneself. These people are the reason a lot of tr0nssexuals have abandoned Tumblr and LGBTQIA+ forums. They're similar to TERFs and radfems in their loudness and intolerance, and also in their lack of actual knowledge. They're like the Femen of the alliance.

TL;DR: Trannies who are taking the steps to transition/have transitioned hate trannies who think this is a game of gender dress-up.
 
glutenfreebooty dijo:
TL;DR: Trannies who are taking the steps to transition/have transitioned hate trannies who think this is a game of gender dress-up.
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It's no coincidence that so many Internet troons, especially from tumblr, are also self-diagnosed with a bunch of imaginary mental illnesses, are otherkin, another totally fake-ass thing, and otherwise make up lies about literally every aspect of their lives. Their troonery is similarly just Internet cosplay.
 
Though there are obviously people who lie for attention I do think that some 'fake trannies' do experience some kind of gender discomfort, however I also believe that not everyone experiencing dysphoria is in need of surgical or chemical intervention. A vast majority could probably function perfectly well with just therapy without actually transitioning, while only those suffering from the most severe issues actually require surgery or hormones. Transgenderism is a mental illness and should be teated in whatever way will best ease the patient's distress and bring them closest to the norm, be it therapy or transitioning.
Of course, since people love to form cliques the ones who take more drastic measures and fully transition look down on those who could probably get by with some therapy, when really you're just comparing two different levels of shittiness. Being fucked up in the head sucks, is the bottom line, and the vast majority or real trannies i've encountered would rather have been born cis.
That said there are of course people who fake being trans for asspats, like there are people who fake cancer/depression/schizophrenia/etc and these people are shitty.
 
Slightly off-topic but I wouldn't use formal diagnosis as the yardstick on who is a real tranny. It can be really easy to lie your way into a diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder, while at the same time doctors can hit you with any arbitrary conditions they like before they give you a diagnosis. I think the most absurd one I've ever heard was an MtF friend of a friend who was told to get rid of her motorbike or no HRT; ignoring that that would mean giving up her only form of transportation, I've known many a cis woman over the years with motorbikes and they aren't even seen as all that masculine anymore, not in the UK anyway. One that I got was "get a job" (I had only just left uni, sans degree), which I have now accomplished but it meant going back onto an 18 month waiting list. On the other hand people who can afford to go private and are willing to bullshit doctors can be in and out with a diagnosis in under 6, and even less if they're willing to go overseas to skip those waiting lists.
As for determining who is trans or not, it's really hard to say. I would say genuine disphoria is a pretty good marker, but a lot of people seem to have a poor understanding of what that means. It doesn't mean 'I hate my body', as a lot of people on tumblr seem to think, but rather having the wrong one. It's kind of like when you order a t-shirt online and they send you the wrong colour; you might hate this colour, you might be somewhat neutral to it, but either way they sent the wrong one, and while some people will shut up and put up many would return the shirt and ask for the correct one, because the one that was sent is wrong.
I would also say a genuine desire to transition, either socially or medically, counts for something but there are a lot of cases where that isn't possible for someone, i.e. they live somewhere where it would be dangerous or even illegal.
And, finally, some understanding of how women/men (delete as appropriate) actually think and behave. Chris has no idea how women actually are, which is why they think that 'Lesbian slumber parties' are something that will appeal to them, while Brianna Wu, for all her faults, at least has a pretty good idea of how twitter-addicted, self-martyring SJW women think and act because that's precisely how she thinks and acts. While I grant you, Chris is autistic and doesn't know how PEOPLE work, generally speaking women have some basic understanding of women as a whole and men have some basic understanding of men as a whole, and someone having no basic understanding of an entire gender is a pretty good indicator that they're not that gender.
 
I assume all lolcow trannies are fake trannies. I assume all trannies are legit trannies until they make their identity all about being trans and get into lolcow territory. It's like the difference between someone who watches anime and someone who cannot stfu about anime and has to make everything about it. We call that autism.
 
Causes of transexuality. Suffice to say, it doesn't seem to be a mental illness. Keep in mind too that chromosomes are not the end all and be all. There are conditions, like intersex.
Back in the day many thought it had to do with parenting, but the case of David Reimer disproved that. (Now THAT was a depressing situation)


Null dijo:
Let me be the first to say I genuinely do not care about transgender people. I cannot force myself to care. I've tried, it doesn't work. I don't give a fuck what bathroom they want to use, I don't give a fuck about their rights, I don't give a fuck about their quality of life. I want to hear, see, and acknowledge as little about them as is humanly possible in my day-to-day life.

This did not exist 10 years ago. When I was growing up there were no trannies. There were drag queens. There was Buffalo Bill. There was not an insignificant number of individuals causing 90% of political and Internet drama.
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The first sex change operation was performed in 1931. There is definitely a long history of people living their lives as the opposite sex. Some did so for convenience sakes, (and later dropped the charade), others kept it up and were only found out after they died. Billy Tipton, is probably one of the most well-known.


All in all, I don't know why anyone would actually choose to be transgender. It doesn't exactly sound like fun. So I'm guessing that phonies have other issues that they confuse for trans, or perhaps it's actually some form of Munchausens? Or someone like Chris, who goes about it all half-assed. Perhaps they confuse not being a stereotype of their sex (a boy who isn't particularly masculine, a tomboy, etc) as, "oh gee, I must be trans!" Nope, it doesn't work that way. There are butch trans women out there, and girly trans men.
To me, a real trans would be someone who's serious about seeing a doctor, probably has spent most of their life feeling that they're in the wrong body, or whatever. They care about passing, even if they're "out" (especially a lot of trans activists, who really don't have a choice).


Of course, there are real trans people out there who are also stupid attention whores. Caitlyn Jenner, for example.
 
The majority of people on the internet who think they're trans, but aren't really attempting to transition, are just attention seeking, but some of it has to do with culture.
A lot of trans people are those with some desires or behaviors that society would consider to be feminine or masculine. So a boy who likes to dance and sew might get on the internet, end up in a SJW echo chamber, and suddenly decide he was supposed to be a girl. While a girl who likes cars and short hair might go to tumblr and have someone convince her she's supposed to be male.
In reality they just want society to accept them for who they are, but, rather than suffer the social stigmas of being a sissy boy or a manly girl they've decided the best way to do this is to change their gender, because for whatever reason that's suddenly more acceptable in society.
 
Mrs Paul dijo:
All in all, I don't know why anyone would actually choose to be transgender. It doesn't exactly sound like fun. So I'm guessing that phonies have other issues that they confuse for trans, or perhaps it's actually some form of Munchausens? Or someone like Chris, who goes about it all half-assed. Perhaps they confuse not being a stereotype of their sex (a boy who isn't particularly masculine, a tomboy, etc) as, "oh gee, I must be trans!" Nope, it doesn't work that way. There are butch trans women out there, and girly trans men.
To me, a real trans would be someone who's serious about seeing a doctor, probably has spent most of their life feeling that they're in the wrong body, or whatever. They care about passing, even if they're "out" (especially a lot of trans activists, who really don't have a choice).


Of course, there are real trans people out there who are also stupid attention whores. Caitlyn Jenner, for example.
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This has never made any kind of sense to me. As someone with whose gender identity matches their physical body, I can see the difference in the way I act (mannerisms, and just general being) and how other cis women act, but when I see someone like Caitlyn Jenner or Laverne Cox, I just feel like they do not ring truly feminine to me. Like Caitlyn, she very much cycles between sounding like a male radio announcer and doing CWC's fake feminine girl voice and hair twirl, as well, Cox seems like a stereotypical gay man. I know there might be exceptions, but most of the time, not even the most butch or most feminine of women act like these two women; their behavior feels like a man trying to prove himself. I respect everyone's right to do whatever they want with their lives and am not trying to be judgemental, just throwing out some observations about the things that I do not understand. There are a lot of transwomen that probably have a more feminized brain, but then there are people like CWC, Jenner, and Cox, who can't deal with their own sense of internalized feminity, which is something we all have regardless of our biological sex. I think that's one other thing that we need to start doing; taking labels off of archetypes and activities so those that are bad with nuances (CWC) stop their self-destructive behavior.

Also, like what Null said, he saw no transgenders 10 years ago, but that is because transsexuals were transitioning to their target sex. I do not understand why someone would want to transition in the first place just to advertise their business.

I also feel like there are just a bunch of people that are mentally ill (ADF, nanners, Locria) that don't care about gender or transgender people, they will just hop on any bandwagon that will let them become social terrorists in order to murder a society that does not include them for their obvious defects.
 
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The very fact that John Hopkins, the hospital that pioneered SRS, will no longer preform nor train surgeons in SRS should tell you plenty.

They went from pro-SRS to anti-SRS over the course of a decade or two given the results of the procedures they performed.

John Hopkins is the #1 medical theory center as far as I am concerned, they are leagues ahead of the world in both talent and technique.

In my mind Gender Dysphagia is a disease of the mind and not of the body and should be treated by therapy and not surgery. Until the day when science can change you from XX to XY, it will always be just nothing more then a cosmetic surgery.

You can't fake reality...Tumblr all you want but XX= female XY=male all the whining in the world wont change facts.

I know it sucks for "real" trannies, not the Tumblr fake-tards, who feel they are trapped in a body that isn't right but life isn't fair, sometime you get a shitty hand and have to live with that.
 
From reading about transitioning, it seems like there's absolutely no trying to predict outcomes of HRT. For one thing, people who choose to stop transitioning are brushed under the table. From reading the experiences of people who stopped HRT and were dissatisfied with their experience, it seems like most or even all gender therapists didn't try to suggest anything else.

And to me it seems like HRT could be a placebo in the same way sugar pills, SSRIs, and acupuncture is. And then I've read accounts of MtFs after taking estrogen saying things in the vein of "Now my sexuality is becoming more feminine" and I'm like, "No, I don't think I or any woman I know thinks about their sexuality like this." But they're so convinced it's actually a sign of femininity!

Mrs Paul dijo:
All in all, I don't know why anyone would actually choose to be transgender. It doesn't exactly sound like fun.

Of course, there are real trans people out there who are also stupid attention whores. Caitlyn Jenner, for example.
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Why do men choose to be Drag Queens even though it puts them at further risk and they don't have to be one? Is it just the glamorous lifestyle?

What separates Jenner from being a "real" trans person? Seems like a lot of trans people fit their mold and that Jenner isn't a huge outlier like people make them out to be.
 
You know what I noticed following some of the "social justice in video games" communities?

A lot of the MTF gamers - the vocal ones, anyway - seem to be bothered by playing as a male character. And a couple who were reviewing games implied that when they play a game where you create a character or make role-playing choices, they were always trying to create characters that were copies of themselves and make choices that reflected their real personalities. Their goal was always self-insertion.

What this says about the trans mentality I'm not sure. I don't know the stats for this, but for people in general, I think a lot are more interested in coming up with game avatars that are different from themselves, while some favor self-insertion. The outspoken trannies always seem to go for self-insertion and are bothered by playing a character that's different from them.

Maybe the "true trans" are a result of people who, through some neurological quirk, must have consistency between all the representations of themselves, from their mental self-concept to their physical body to their avatar in a game. People who don't have such a need for consistency may be OK with feminizing themselves as part of a sexual fantasy but not feel the need to alter their bodies.
 
Sweet and Savoury dijo:
n my mind Gender Dysphagia is a disease of the mind and not of the body and should be treated by therapy and not surgery. Until the day when science can change you from XX to XY, it will always be just nothing more then a cosmetic surgery.

You can't fake reality...Tumblr all you want but XX= female XY=male all the whining in the world wont change facts.
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That's the thing, I think it's okay for actual trans people to transition, but at the end of the day, even with all the body mods, you have to admit to yourself what your DNA is, and it's not a bad thing. I still respect people and I know there is no radical treatment right now that can change the brain to match the physiological gender or give someone new chromosomes. I feel like other people, Caitlyn Jenner and Zoey Tur really don't care about acting or portraying "feminine" until they're actually called out on it, what they care about is possessing a woman's body.

I watched that interview where Tur threatened that small Jewish guy with bodily harm and even put her hands around his neck like a dog, which is completely and totally Alpha male behavior. That situation between Tur and that conservative guy kind of made me rethink trans issues and how people like Tur, Jenner, Cox, and Mock are probably trying to hijack an issue because they want to leave their mark on the world for their own selfish reasons that do not concern the "true trans" or "truly marginalized" subcultures.
 
Mariposa Electrique dijo:
That's the thing, I think it's okay for actual trans people to transition, but at the end of the day, even with all the body mods, you have to admit to yourself what your DNA is, and it's not a bad thing. I still respect people and I know there is no radical treatment right now that can change the brain to match the physiological gender or give someone new chromosomes. I feel like other people, Caitlyn Jenner and Zoey Tur really don't care about acting or portraying "feminine" until they're actually called out on it, what they care about is possessing a woman's body.

I watched that interview where Tur threatened that small Jewish guy with bodily harm and even put her hands around his neck like a dog, which is completely and totally Alpha male behavior. That situation between Tur and that conservative guy kind of made me rethink trans issues and how people like Tur, Jenner, Cox, and Mock are probably trying to hijack an issue because they want to leave their mark on the world for their own selfish reasons that do not concern the "true trans" or "truly marginalized" subcultures.
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I don't think these people are the exceptions to the rule. They ARE the rule. I think a huge proportion of trans people are like this, and their behavior is celebrated because they are blameless angels.

Who the fuck are real trans people? Nobody knows. I feel like more often than not transwomen a collection of sexual fetishists, weirdos, people who don't fit gender expectations, etc.
 
sourrascal dijo:
I don't think these people are the exceptions to the rule. They ARE the rule. I think a huge proportion of trans people are like this, and their behavior is celebrated because they are blameless angels.

Who the fuck are real trans people? Nobody knows. I feel like more often than not transwomen a collection of sexual fetishists, weirdos, people who don't fit gender expectations, etc.
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I always thought it was like being exposed to high amounts of opposite hormones in the womb, but if people are transitioning just to transition, it's strange.
 
There's no such thing as a "real" transsexual. A "real" transsexual is just a homosexual man, born that way instead of being raped as a child, who wants to have relationships with men and believes the only way to do this is to cut his dick off.
"fake" trannies are 20-30 year old autists who want to have lesbian sex because they saw it in a porno.
Neither are legitimate. Cutting off people's body parts because a person doesn't like them is retarded.
 
Regarding “Trannys have a lady brain!!1!”

I see this flaunted a lot that TiMs have “female brains.”

Ok. Cool. Then let’s stick those suckers in an MRI before we allow them to have SRS or hormones.

They, of course, don’t want that to happen. Because the study shows Transbians have the same brains as typical males. Therefore - they shouldn’t be allowed SRS/hormones. Instead maybe bupropion for porn/cross dressing addiction & therapy for borderline/narcissistic personality disorders.
 
Put them in a ring and hand them bludgeoning weapons whichever team lives are real trannies
 
Someone who transitions knowing it will probably extremely limit their possibility of having a proper love/sex life, but they accept that cause they're willing to give up sex in order to live as their perceived gender I would say is a more "real" or perhaps the better word is genuine tranny. Someone who transitions IN ORDER to fulfill their sexual desires, and wish to organise their entire existence around a paraphilia/fetish, is a fake tranny
 
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