Opinion Europe is becoming a right-wing continent - The overall political climate in Europe has been trending rightward for some time


For a certain kind of American liberal, it's almost a reflexive gesture to wish the United States were more like Europe. There, health care is provided on a more egalitarian basis and a university education is much cheaper, if not free; sexual mores are more relaxed and gun ownership is rare; religion is vestigial and militant nationalism is strictly taboo. Widespread European distress over the presidencies of George W. Bush and Donald Trump only confirmed what American liberals knew: that the Old Country was also the dreamland of their imagined liberal American future.

I wonder how it will feel when Europe becomes distinctly more right-wing than the United States.

It's not an inconceivable prospect. The United Kingdom has a Tory government right now, and based on current polling their position looks increasingly secure. France's centrist president Emmanuel Macron would likely be re-elected if the election were held today, but Marine Le Pen's right-wing National Rally party polls considerably higher today in a one-on-one contest with Macron than it did in 2017. Italy's fragile coalition could be followed by a right-wing coalition of Matteo Salvini's Lega and the neofascist-derived Fratelli D'Italia.

Even in Germany, where the Christian Democrat Angela Merkel's 16-year rule is coming to a close, the next government may once again be a coalition led by the CDU/CSU, if not with the center-left SDP, then in a "Jamaica coalition" with a reinvigorated center-right FDP joining the Greens by their side.

Of course polls can and do change, and one election does not imply a radical cultural shift. But the overall political climate in Europe has been trending rightward for some time. After the financial crisis, and the austerity that followed, the traditional left-wing parties began to collapse, and more nationalist and extreme-right alternatives to the mainstream — the AfD in Germany, National Rally in France, UKIP in England — began to arise. The surge in immigration that followed Syria's and Libya's collapse into civil war were further sources of fuel. These parties and movements — critical of the European Union, strongly opposed to immigration, frequently more friendly to Russia — were initially and in many cases still are opposed by all the mainstream parties, but that opposition did little to stem their growth. Eventually, in countries like Hungary and Poland, they began to win elections and assume the powers of government.

In Europe today, the most viable traditional parties are often mainstream right-wing parties that have sought to coopt the nationalist right's issues — most notably Boris Johnson's Tory Party, which eclipsed UKIP by adopting Brexit for itself — or parties self-consciously constituted around the technocratic center so as to unite the mainstream against the far right. True left-wing parties like Jean-Luc Mélenchon's in France or Jeremy Corbyn's Labour have largely fizzled. Meanwhile, the far right continues to produce new phenomena, most recently France's Eric Zemmour, who has outflanked Le Pen on the right by being even more nationalist than she is.

If the result of all this ferment is a European political realignment that contains the far right by reviving a more inward-focused traditional conservatism, that would be good for Europe and, ultimately, for European relations with America. A Europe that was more oriented around national solidarity than global humanitarianism, open immigration, or free markets is a Europe America could readily live, work, and trade with. If by that means the continent achieved greater political stability and democratic accountability, most observers would consider it far preferable to either a lurch to the far right or a descent into civil strife.

But it might be startling for the American left to hear even centrist European politicians like Emmanuel Macron blame them for undermining national solidarity with their "woke" leftism. They might have to get used to it, though. Nothing is more useful for promoting national unity than a foreign threat. And while America's foreign policy establishment would likely prefer that China be that threat, it makes far more sense for a Europe turning inward to decry pernicious American influence on their social fabric than China's threats to Taiwan or its oppression of the Uyghur people.

The question then would be whether America's left will take a lesson from the demise of their European cousins, and rethink their own approach to politics before they face a similar eclipse, and downgrade cultural questions in favor of bread and butter issues. Or, perhaps, whether Europe's turn to the right will inspire America's left to see unique promise once more in our own country's distance from nationalism of the Old World, and redefine their own vision of a culturally egalitarian future not as a necessary redemption of our nation's sinful history, but as a hoped-for fulfillment of distinctively American promise.
 
Europe has always been right wing. The issue is that the literal occupation governments that run Europe don't give a fuck what the people of Europe want. No one in Europe wants non europeans here. We never have, we were never asked if we wanted five trillion unwashed, disease riddled 80IQ subhumans to flood into our nations. We had this shit foisted on us. No one wants gay marriage, or trannies, or the destruction of the family, or the annihilation of Europe entirely.

We are occupied by an anti-white deathcult that despises us.
 
flooding your country with muslims just because of popular opinion does not make me think "that person is far right", altho obviously right/left is a matter of one's perspective.
I'm not calling her far right. Her whole party is very much centre-right.
I'm just saying the /pol/ notion of Merkel being some hardcore refuge-loving lefty is absolutely retarded.
 
A decade of not holding people accountable while fucking over your native born citizens definitely doesn't build resentment for a repeat of events 80+ years prior. Nope.
Yeah WWII passing out of living memory means the biggest tool to taboo nationalist thinking is rapidly losing steam with the productive classes of the economy. Middle-aged Europeans maybe have a grandparent who lived through the immediate aftermath of WWII. Younger ones have little to no connection to it.
And if my lived experience is any indication, your average citizen only vaguely internalizes their history education vs. forgetting almost all of it after graduating.
 
Yeah WWII passing out of living memory means the biggest tool to taboo nationalist thinking is rapidly losing steam with the productive classes of the economy. Middle-aged Europeans maybe have a grandparent who lived through the immediate aftermath of WWII. Younger ones have little to no connection to it.
And if my lived experience is any indication, your average citizen only vaguely internalizes their history education vs. forgetting almost all of it after graduating.
Meh. The average person regurgitates the last thing the talking head said to them on TV regardless of what they learned before it. WW2 fading away won't change that.
 

For a certain kind of American liberal, it's almost a reflexive gesture to wish the United States were more like Europe. There, health care is provided on a more egalitarian basis and a university education is much cheaper, if not free; sexual mores are more relaxed and gun ownership is rare; religion is vestigial and militant nationalism is strictly taboo. Widespread European distress over the presidencies of George W. Bush and Donald Trump only confirmed what American liberals knew: that the Old Country was also the dreamland of their imagined liberal American future.

I wonder how it will feel when Europe becomes distinctly more right-wing than the United States.

It's not an inconceivable prospect. The United Kingdom has a Tory government right now, and based on current polling their position looks increasingly secure. France's centrist president Emmanuel Macron would likely be re-elected if the election were held today, but Marine Le Pen's right-wing National Rally party polls considerably higher today in a one-on-one contest with Macron than it did in 2017. Italy's fragile coalition could be followed by a right-wing coalition of Matteo Salvini's Lega and the neofascist-derived Fratelli D'Italia.

Even in Germany, where the Christian Democrat Angela Merkel's 16-year rule is coming to a close, the next government may once again be a coalition led by the CDU/CSU, if not with the center-left SDP, then in a "Jamaica coalition" with a reinvigorated center-right FDP joining the Greens by their side.

Of course polls can and do change, and one election does not imply a radical cultural shift. But the overall political climate in Europe has been trending rightward for some time. After the financial crisis, and the austerity that followed, the traditional left-wing parties began to collapse, and more nationalist and extreme-right alternatives to the mainstream — the AfD in Germany, National Rally in France, UKIP in England — began to arise. The surge in immigration that followed Syria's and Libya's collapse into civil war were further sources of fuel. These parties and movements — critical of the European Union, strongly opposed to immigration, frequently more friendly to Russia — were initially and in many cases still are opposed by all the mainstream parties, but that opposition did little to stem their growth. Eventually, in countries like Hungary and Poland, they began to win elections and assume the powers of government.

In Europe today, the most viable traditional parties are often mainstream right-wing parties that have sought to coopt the nationalist right's issues — most notably Boris Johnson's Tory Party, which eclipsed UKIP by adopting Brexit for itself — or parties self-consciously constituted around the technocratic center so as to unite the mainstream against the far right. True left-wing parties like Jean-Luc Mélenchon's in France or Jeremy Corbyn's Labour have largely fizzled. Meanwhile, the far right continues to produce new phenomena, most recently France's Eric Zemmour, who has outflanked Le Pen on the right by being even more nationalist than she is.

If the result of all this ferment is a European political realignment that contains the far right by reviving a more inward-focused traditional conservatism, that would be good for Europe and, ultimately, for European relations with America. A Europe that was more oriented around national solidarity than global humanitarianism, open immigration, or free markets is a Europe America could readily live, work, and trade with. If by that means the continent achieved greater political stability and democratic accountability, most observers would consider it far preferable to either a lurch to the far right or a descent into civil strife.

But it might be startling for the American left to hear even centrist European politicians like Emmanuel Macron blame them for undermining national solidarity with their "woke" leftism. They might have to get used to it, though. Nothing is more useful for promoting national unity than a foreign threat. And while America's foreign policy establishment would likely prefer that China be that threat, it makes far more sense for a Europe turning inward to decry pernicious American influence on their social fabric than China's threats to Taiwan or its oppression of the Uyghur people.

The question then would be whether America's left will take a lesson from the demise of their European cousins, and rethink their own approach to politics before they face a similar eclipse, and downgrade cultural questions in favor of bread and butter issues. Or, perhaps, whether Europe's turn to the right will inspire America's left to see unique promise once more in our own country's distance from nationalism of the Old World, and redefine their own vision of a culturally egalitarian future not as a necessary redemption of our nation's sinful history, but as a hoped-for fulfillment of distinctively American promise.
That's not necessarily a bad thing. But then again "right-wing" is a rather ambiguous label to begin with.
 
As someone from Europe, where to begin...
If shit is really as bad with Refguees as /pol/ makes it out to be i'm not suprised. I wonder if it's an actual shift in the european's mindset, or if it's just the refugees they bring in not appreciating all the other promoted faggotry of the left wing.

Some of the /pol/ takes are exaggerations, or rooted in actual bigotry.
However, and unfortunately, a lot of it isn't.
The overall cases of petty and violent crime have risen across Europe, though conspicuously, only in those countries that have accepted a large number of foreigners.
The rape incidence in Norway, Sweden and Finland fex. were broadly similar in the 60's, but that had changed drastically, with Sweden leading the way (numerous reports suggest approx half of the offenders are from places like the Middle East and Africa- Swedish crime stats legally preclude ethnicity data, so this is based on reporters observing the names of accused rapists at court).
Finland's crime rate has similarly increased since the 'Migrant Crisis'.
Given this, it's very hard to argue in favor of the 'better reporting' explanation, which the Globohomo Leftist types cling to like a cat stuck on a very rainbow float at some Pride Parade.

The major stumbling point for the /pol/ perspective is the occasional inability to distinguish between ethnicity and socioeconomic class.
Quite a few literature reviews on this topic agree with the interpretation regarding socioeconomic status correlating moderately (sometimes strongly) with crime rates - IQ is the (controversial) mechanism there.
Summarized, the issue was always with working class (therefore generally low IQ) foreigners entering societies that are alien to them, they're unaccustomed to, and their skillsets are either not needed, or due for replacement with automation (or form new competition with the native working class, thus imported competition with each European nation's own cognitively-challenged).

The mood in Europe has and hasn't changed, simultaneously.
From experience here, there are very clear fault lines based on socioeconomic status, position in Europe, gender, and age.
The archetype steadfast pro-migrant remains a middle-upper class, urban, university-educated, young female, from the West (UK, France) or Center-North (Germany, Sweden) of the continent.
The archetype anti-migrant is a working or middle class, suburban or rural, high school to university-educated, middle-age to older male, from the East (Poland, Ukraine, Russia) or South (Spain, Italy, Greece).

Purely from personal experience, though a sliding scale exists for each demo type, the average for those scales does indeed seem to be shifting right-wards (ie. anti-migrant).
I've met a couple people who meet the pro-migrant archetype to a tee recently, but, privately confided that the migrant wave was a 'bad idea' - This was unthinkable back in 2014.
However, IMO, most people in Europe who do hold migrant-skeptic views (at the least) are not publicly airing their views, but the 'feeling' of a shift definitely exists.

Europe is far from right wing. If the author of this article thinks Europe is right wing, then they are super duper uber ultra mega left wing

Politically, somewhat.
At the plebiscite level, things are shifting rightwards from my perspective on the ground here (see above).

"I believe that Europe should remain for the Europeans." - Known White Supremacist and Anti-Semite the Dalai Lama c. 2019

Mass migration contradicts the Buddhist concept of 'social harmony' (which also existed in other Eastern philosophies, was once a cornerstone of Chinese culture, though the CCP have successfully co-opted it for cynical purposes).

Lol Merkel has actively imported millions of 80iq violent black and brown muslims to Europe, tried to force other countries to take them, made it illegal to be against immigrants, and she is supposedly a righwinger?

Merkel is a childless politician who only operates per her own political expedience and socio-emotional whims.

She had declared multiculturalism as a 'failed experiment' around the time the UK prime minister (Cameron) also made similar comments.

Germany faces declining birth rates (as do most developed nations), the post WWII Turkish worker experiment is perceived as 'successful' by some Germans (this is CDU dogma I hear), the German economy has had lackluster growth (hasn't exceeded 2% in years) and the scenes from ISIS territory and Killary Clinton-initiated slave camps in Libya definitely tugged at the hearts of Europeans.

We also know that Europe's political elite have fancied this idea of mass-importing foreigners to account for poor economic growth and birth rates (see Ireland's 2040 planning).

Merkel therefore made the calculation to contradict herself, and import millions of Perun-knows-what into the European heartland, when public sentiment permitted it (temporarily).

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The EC/EU/United States of Europe project is crumbling underneath the feet of the globalist oligarchs as more people are realizing that their 'leaders' don't have their interests in mind as they flood their cities with 'refugees'. That said, the American concept of individual liberty (own guns, call people jackasses, faggots, and retards without legal reprisal, cops need a warrant to get into your house, presumption of innocence) is antithetical to the minds of most Euros who are almost all hooked on some degree of authoritarianism-welfarism, which ironically, is why said 'refugees' are in Europe in the first place.

Nationalism is the way and the truth. Foreigners, if they are allowed entry into the nation at all, must either assimilate totally, or return to where they came from.

Entirely correct.
Europeans generally understand (or understood until recently somewhat) that nation-states founded on largely ethnic grounds offer the most social cohesion and stability.
This lesson was painfully learned following the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian empire (WWI).

It is unfortunately true that many Europeans are ardent supporters of the modern welfare state and too large a number are impervious to any balanced criticism (fex. abuse of welfare, or the pragmatic unfairness of 'progressive' taxation policies).

Perhaps it would be nice to move to such a place maybe, if the languages were not so danged impossible to learn.

Depends on one's inclinations or idiosyncrasies, or language background.
The 'best' place to move to in Europe for those who are L1 English speakers and wish to pick up another language is Norway - Very low rates of crime relative to other Nordic countries, and both the Norwegian languages are relatively easy to learn for an American English speaker (compared to other Euro languages).
People elevate places like Poland, Hungary etc. - Though they're nice (Poland especially), their languages are difficult to learn (Polish grammar is notoriously complex). Hungarians IMO are generally nice to Westerners who are of European extraction.
The Balkans are very beautiful and the people are upfront, though they're very clannish from experience, so integration by a foreigner into non urban areas won't be easy I would not think.
An English speaker could choose to live in the big cities only, but it would serve you best to at least understand the language, and at least speak broken (ie. grammatically incorrect but lexically correct).
Avoid Russia (I go against my blood saying that, LoL).
 
Seems like this author is Republican-lite though I agree with other posters here that Europe is a completely different animal to America in terms of politics and what is considered right wing or left wing or whatever.

 
Yeah WWII passing out of living memory means the biggest tool to taboo nationalist thinking is rapidly losing steam with the productive classes of the economy. Middle-aged Europeans maybe have a grandparent who lived through the immediate aftermath of WWII. Younger ones have little to no connection to it.
And if my lived experience is any indication, your average citizen only vaguely internalizes their history education vs. forgetting almost all of it after graduating.
It's the same with the Holocaust, there's an ever-growing number of people who have no relation or experience with it who frankly don't give a shit what happened some ~80 years prior. TPTB try and scream it from the rooftops and keep the narrative going, but it's only reaching a few these days and plenty more are tired and increasingly annoyed of the constant victim narrative.

A good rule of thumb is that humanity cannot go a century without a major war because of this collective memory loss and lo and behold we're quickly approaching that point.
 
It's the same with the Holocaust, there's an ever-growing number of people who have no relation or experience with it who frankly don't give a shit what happened some ~80 years prior. TPTB try and scream it from the rooftops and keep the narrative going, but it's only reaching a few these days and plenty more are tired and increasingly annoyed of the constant victim narrative.

A good rule of thumb is that humanity cannot go a century without a major war because of this collective memory loss and lo and behold we're quickly approaching that point.
It really, REALLY doesn't help that they've made talk of it illegal. That just makes those who have no relation or experience go in the opposite direction and actively question it harder more often than it shuts them up.
 
Purely from personal experience, though a sliding scale exists for each demo type, the average for those scales does indeed seem to be shifting right-wards (ie. anti-migrant).
I've met a couple people who meet the pro-migrant archetype to a tee recently, but, privately confided that the migrant wave was a 'bad idea' - This was unthinkable back in 2014.
However, IMO, most people in Europe who do hold migrant-skeptic views (at the least) are not publicly airing their views, but the 'feeling' of a shift definitely exists.
Is this really rightwards when even Merkel herself a few years back made declarations like "our refugee policy has failed and needs to be revised" and the Social Democrats in Sweden started enacting all of these tough laws on migration and refugees? Even if it's a blatant case of "closing the barn doors when the horses have escaped", it's still political orthodoxy among establishment types. It obviously doesn't stop them from giving migrants all sorts of free shit and handing Muhammad a ten year suspended sentence when he has a sexual emergency around kids (although that might just be the shitty European justice system in general since I've heard about native Scottish rapists and pedos getting insanely light sentences).
 
For the people saying "wow, how much to the left you are to believe Europe is right wing?", I think the answer is that they are noticing the change that is going through Europe now.

Take Spain. Spain has a very leftist country. His actual president of gov. is a socialist and most of the people involved in ruling are progressives and commies. But they are losing the power they had on the people while RW groups like Vox are growing.

The VP president was a hardcore commie who had to retire from politics after they lost Madrid to a more conservative party. That's a big L. And the rest of Europe won't take long to go through that route.
 
I remember when EUrinals were smug about American racism. “Why do White Americans hate blacks? I encountered a black guy once three years ago, and he seemed ok.”

Close contact with large numbers of aggressive, demanding subhumans will harden up those tender feeling real quick.
 
Is this really rightwards when even Merkel herself a few years back made declarations like "our refugee policy has failed and needs to be revised" and the Social Democrats in Sweden started enacting all of these tough laws on migration and refugees? Even if it's a blatant case of "closing the barn doors when the horses have escaped", it's still political orthodoxy among establishment types. It obviously doesn't stop them from giving migrants all sorts of free shit and handing Muhammad a ten year suspended sentence when he has a sexual emergency around kids (although that might just be the shitty European justice system in general since I've heard about native Scottish rapists and pedos getting insanely light sentences).

These are separate processes, though interlinked, due to political calculation.
As I think I highlighted before, Merkel's a politician, making her liable to flip-flop on positions in response to the perceived rising sentiments of the native population.

She made those comments in an effort to deny the AfD party (who are very clearly some variant of Right-leaning) any significant share in Bundestag seats in the 2017 elections (her 'our refugee policy failed' comments were made in 2016).

Thus, Merkel's track record on this subject in order;
  1. 'Multiculturalism failed' (2010)
  2. 'The EU will fail in our ethical responsibility' (Migrant Crisis, 2015)
  3. 'Our refugee policy failed' (2016)
The situation in Sweden paralleled that in Germany - Incumbent SSAP were on the same page as Merkel's CDU, and after they'd let all the 'economic refugees' in and the damage was done, the SSAP attempted political damage control by depriving the SD of that very powerful populist anti-migrant sentiment in Sweden (and they succeeded, too).

It cannot be considered political orthodoxy, when these parties either maintained a pro-migrant sentiment for years (Sweden's SSAP, or UK Labor party), or they're simply reacting to resurgent nativist populism in response to their failed policies (Germany's CDU, also SSAP again).
 
I'm not really all that familiar with European politics, but what about eastern Europe? They seem right wing or moving towards the right.

That's also the overton window, and the always overlooked fact that Stalin and his ilk were NOT friendly at all to degenerates, seeing it as a vice of the burgeoise. Same for wellfare for non workers. Wellfare is for supporting the WORKING poor. Fudgepackers were persecuted in the USSR.

So both the right and parts of the older guard left consider the rainbow and migrant thing as something that is totally abhorrent.

As for moving to eastern europe, it really depends on 3 things:
-Are you white? Or at least yellow? Hungarians for example are more friendly towards asians of colour because they are considered distant relatives, or at least not racially inclined to crime.
-Can you learn the absolutely mind bogglingly hard languages like Polish or Hungarian? Nowdays enough people speak English for you not to need it for example Polish for daily groceries, but work is another matter entirely.
-Even if you get work, you get paid 1/5th of what you make in the west. Unless you already got a lot of funds, like a nice US pension, you WILL be poor.

It is a harsh, darwinistic world, and are you sure you want to step into it? But if you do, you'll find it not much different than a republican town of the 1950s. Just way, way ,way, way poorer and filled with vodka.
 
Gee, it’s almost like having hoardes of barbarians flood a country will redpill the indigenous Europeans or something.

At this point, while I would say Western Europe is mostly lost— if my friends in Germany and France are of any indication, it seems that there are subtle pushes to get rid of the feral niggers in all but name. They’re not contributing to the tax base and those who are, they’re imported mouthpieces for Globohomo with no loyalty to the countries they’re residing in.

Evidentially, the so called “far right” has at least started to put pressure on the French and German governments- though it’s a little too late for non violent solutions at this point.
 
I'm not calling her far right. Her whole party is very much centre-right.
I'm just saying the /pol/ notion of Merkel being some hardcore refuge-loving lefty is absolutely retarded.

Merkel got empathy moment and fucked up i will forever be pissed at her over that but it was not malice more retardation and incompetence.
 
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