Opinion Europe is becoming a right-wing continent - The overall political climate in Europe has been trending rightward for some time


For a certain kind of American liberal, it's almost a reflexive gesture to wish the United States were more like Europe. There, health care is provided on a more egalitarian basis and a university education is much cheaper, if not free; sexual mores are more relaxed and gun ownership is rare; religion is vestigial and militant nationalism is strictly taboo. Widespread European distress over the presidencies of George W. Bush and Donald Trump only confirmed what American liberals knew: that the Old Country was also the dreamland of their imagined liberal American future.

I wonder how it will feel when Europe becomes distinctly more right-wing than the United States.

It's not an inconceivable prospect. The United Kingdom has a Tory government right now, and based on current polling their position looks increasingly secure. France's centrist president Emmanuel Macron would likely be re-elected if the election were held today, but Marine Le Pen's right-wing National Rally party polls considerably higher today in a one-on-one contest with Macron than it did in 2017. Italy's fragile coalition could be followed by a right-wing coalition of Matteo Salvini's Lega and the neofascist-derived Fratelli D'Italia.

Even in Germany, where the Christian Democrat Angela Merkel's 16-year rule is coming to a close, the next government may once again be a coalition led by the CDU/CSU, if not with the center-left SDP, then in a "Jamaica coalition" with a reinvigorated center-right FDP joining the Greens by their side.

Of course polls can and do change, and one election does not imply a radical cultural shift. But the overall political climate in Europe has been trending rightward for some time. After the financial crisis, and the austerity that followed, the traditional left-wing parties began to collapse, and more nationalist and extreme-right alternatives to the mainstream — the AfD in Germany, National Rally in France, UKIP in England — began to arise. The surge in immigration that followed Syria's and Libya's collapse into civil war were further sources of fuel. These parties and movements — critical of the European Union, strongly opposed to immigration, frequently more friendly to Russia — were initially and in many cases still are opposed by all the mainstream parties, but that opposition did little to stem their growth. Eventually, in countries like Hungary and Poland, they began to win elections and assume the powers of government.

In Europe today, the most viable traditional parties are often mainstream right-wing parties that have sought to coopt the nationalist right's issues — most notably Boris Johnson's Tory Party, which eclipsed UKIP by adopting Brexit for itself — or parties self-consciously constituted around the technocratic center so as to unite the mainstream against the far right. True left-wing parties like Jean-Luc Mélenchon's in France or Jeremy Corbyn's Labour have largely fizzled. Meanwhile, the far right continues to produce new phenomena, most recently France's Eric Zemmour, who has outflanked Le Pen on the right by being even more nationalist than she is.

If the result of all this ferment is a European political realignment that contains the far right by reviving a more inward-focused traditional conservatism, that would be good for Europe and, ultimately, for European relations with America. A Europe that was more oriented around national solidarity than global humanitarianism, open immigration, or free markets is a Europe America could readily live, work, and trade with. If by that means the continent achieved greater political stability and democratic accountability, most observers would consider it far preferable to either a lurch to the far right or a descent into civil strife.

But it might be startling for the American left to hear even centrist European politicians like Emmanuel Macron blame them for undermining national solidarity with their "woke" leftism. They might have to get used to it, though. Nothing is more useful for promoting national unity than a foreign threat. And while America's foreign policy establishment would likely prefer that China be that threat, it makes far more sense for a Europe turning inward to decry pernicious American influence on their social fabric than China's threats to Taiwan or its oppression of the Uyghur people.

The question then would be whether America's left will take a lesson from the demise of their European cousins, and rethink their own approach to politics before they face a similar eclipse, and downgrade cultural questions in favor of bread and butter issues. Or, perhaps, whether Europe's turn to the right will inspire America's left to see unique promise once more in our own country's distance from nationalism of the Old World, and redefine their own vision of a culturally egalitarian future not as a necessary redemption of our nation's sinful history, but as a hoped-for fulfillment of distinctively American promise.
 
If shit is really as bad with Refguees as /pol/ makes it out to be i'm not suprised. I wonder if it's an actual shift in the european's mindset, or if it's just the refugees they bring in not appreciating all the other promoted faggotry of the left wing.
 
There's functionally little difference between 1960s/1970s-era social democratic (i.e. center-left) parties in Europe and today's alleged European "far-right". Turns out when you go far-left on every issue besides economics, reorienting toward a centrist position like Macron did might actually be a winning policy.

I wish we had an alleged "far-right" party in the United States since the Republicans still have too many "tax breaks for megacorporations" neocons in their ranks.
 
Even in Germany, where the Christian Democrat Angela Merkel's 16-year rule is coming to a close
A testament to the need for sensible term limits right there.

But it might be startling for the American left to hear even centrist European politicians like Emmanuel Macron blame them for undermining national solidarity with their "woke" leftism. They might have to get used to it, though. Nothing is more useful for promoting national unity than a foreign threat
I get the impression that the author thinks American leftism is not a cancer that is rotting away at the western world.
 
Lol Merkel has actively imported millions of 80iq violent black and brown muslims to Europe, tried to force other countries to take them, made it illegal to be against immigrants, and she is supposedly a righwinger?
 
Not fast enough to save itself sand it's indigenous population unfortunately.


Or maybe they're just accounting for the increase in Mohammedans. They're certainly pretty right wing.
 
I wonder how it will feel when Europe becomes distinctly more right-wing than the United States.
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The EC/EU/United States of Europe project is crumbling underneath the feet of the globalist oligarchs as more people are realizing that their 'leaders' don't have their interests in mind as they flood their cities with 'refugees'. That said, the American concept of individual liberty (own guns, call people jackasses, faggots, and retards without legal reprisal, cops need a warrant to get into your house, presumption of innocence) is antithetical to the minds of most Euros who are almost all hooked on some degree of authoritarianism-welfarism, which ironically, is why said 'refugees' are in Europe in the first place.
True left-wing parties like Jean-Luc Mélenchon's in France or Jeremy Corbyn's Labour have largely fizzled. Meanwhile, the far right continues to produce new phenomena, most recently France's Eric Zemmour, who has outflanked Le Pen on the right by being even more nationalist than she is.
Nationalism is the way and the truth. Foreigners, if they are allowed entry into the nation at all, must either assimilate totally, or return to where they came from.
 
If shit is really as bad with Refguees as /pol/ makes it out to be i'm not suprised. I wonder if it's an actual shift in the european's mindset, or if it's just the refugees they bring in not appreciating all the other promoted faggotry of the left wing.
There's definitely a shift happening in the European mindset, even if everyone ITT would rather pretend it's all dumb American commies thinking anything right of Mao is right-wing. If we equate nationalist populism with right wing, then Europe is definitely trending in that direction.
Between the forced European Cosmopolitanism, the tabooing of many non-violent nationalist traditions or sentiment as part of the post-Thirty Years of Blood self-reckoning, the rich member states forcing monetary policy friendly to themselves on poorer nations that skullfucked their economies, and the freedom of movement creating migrant worker classes within the EU, let alone all the refugees, your average European has a lot of reasons to be bitter/resentful towards neighbor states and questioning if their government is acting in their interests.
This is compounded by the fact that there's like only 1 EU institution they can directly elect for representation, and the rest are entirely staffed by rootless Euro oligarchs with little connection or interest in their home states. Eventually more and more European states will start acting in their own interest and questioning if this European America that the EU is trying to create is a good idea. I only hope they can find something besides ethnicity to center their countries around going forward, because the demographic damage is already done and the last time Europeans went on an ethno-nationalist streak it ended really poorly.
 
Thinking the Tory government is actually right wing.

I hurt something laughing. Yes, by the UK standard they are more right than left. By the American standard the author is evidently unqualified to talk about the politics of other countries if they think the American and British right align. Or they're a lazy liar. Either way their opinion as someone offering political commentary is akin to that of a 3 year old discussing which Star Wars characters they like.

Also claiming that the Tories adopted Breixt. No. The Tories did not want that, it was deeply annoying for them. But ultimately unlike Corbyn they recognised they could not sit on the fence once the vote was had and had to own it. Even Corbyn, massively more left leaning, was sort of in favour of Brexit. For Labour to have gotten through the nationalisation projects they wanted under him we would have had to leave the EU.

The author is correct in that there is a danger there in the shift to the right. The EU is a tool for whoever controls it and should both France and Germany go right wing there's a very real chance that the EU itself will shift dramatically. Go too far and it's bad, I'm in agreement with most sane people who can see that danger and don't want to see it happen.

By the end it almost sounds like the author is getting close to realisation but no, ends with the attitude that the American left should totally stick to its guns. Idiot. American tribalism is fucking awful and anyone trying to import it into their country should be slapped silly.

My favourite bit of commentary on that was on one of Radio 4's comedy pieces. One English town whose name is escaping me, might be Bedford, has a high number of Italian migrants, for assorted reasons. They were talking to the son of one of those migrants who said that when the football is on if Italy is playing they cheer for them, if England is playing they cheer for them. If both are they put on the rugby instead.

Good luck with that Sunday lad.

But that is the attitude to have. You can be proud of where you came from but if you live in the UK then you're British rather than where you or your parents came from. Anyone calling themselves Anglo-Italian or Anglo-African would get laughed at in the majority of the country and that need not change. But with American nonsense slowly seeping in it might happen.
 
Von der Leyen said that injecting semen into a man's anus is a core value upon which EU was founded, so I don't know about that. It would be funny if Germany/France elected a government that contradicts the libtards in Brussels but that's probably not going to happen.
 
The Sweden Democrats in (unsurprisingly) Sweden have apparently just unseated the coalition Prime Minister via a vote of no confidence. He's snuck back in but apparently it's a pretty big deal because it's the first time one of the traditional lefty parties have dared do any kind of deal with the Nationalist Sweden Democrats.

Yeah, there's a shift. The question is whether the media and academia in Europe can be as effectively pernicious as their counterparts in the USA and bring about such division that negotiation between the two factions becomes untenable as it is on the verge of in the USA.
 
Lol Merkel has actively imported millions of 80iq violent black and brown muslims to Europe, tried to force other countries to take them, made it illegal to be against immigrants, and she is supposedly a righwinger?
Merkel let refuges in when the popular opinion was to help immigrants more (after stories of drowned refugees).
Merkel stopped letting refuges in when the popular opinion turned to the opposite (after stories of rapefuges).
She's a soulless career politician without much of a opinion of her own. However she does lean to the right and has for example been consistently against gay marriage and wanted to support Bush with the Iraq War.

Immigration laws have only become stricter in Germany with time - back in the early 90s Germany took almost every refuge who applied for asylum.
Laws against incitement and political extremism have been a part of Germany's constitution since the founding of the Federal Republic. Merkel has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
Merkel let refuges in when the popular opinion was to help immigrants more (after stories of drowned refugees).
Merkel stopped letting refuges in when the popular opinion turned to the opposite (after stories of rapefuges).
She's a soulless career politician without much of a opinion of her own. However she does lean to the right and has for example been consistently against gay marriage and wanted to support Bush with the Iraq War.
flooding your country with muslims just because of popular opinion does not make me think "that person is far right", altho obviously right/left is a matter of one's perspective.


Immigration laws have only become stricter in Germany with time - back in the early 90s Germany took almost every refuge who applied for asylum.
it's not about the laws, but outcomes. Laws might have become more strict in theory, but in practice it means they now deport 2% form the millions of immigrants while they used to deport 1% from the thousands of immigrants
 
wanted to support Bush with the Iraq War.
Coming from my perspective as an American, that is reason enough to hate her.
It was bad enough we let our own politicians drag us into that godawful shitheap oil war. The international allies who jumped in were just signalling they were on board with the globalist plan.
 
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