Euphoric Christian Fatigue Thread

[Althalus]

Yeah, there was a strain of German intellectual life going back to the late 19th century that mixed occultism/paganism, anti-Semitism, and voelkisch nationalism. Some Nazis dabbled in that milieu. But the occult part specifically didn't have much of a practical influence on Nazism. The Thule-Gesellschaft matters historically because one of their guys founded the DAP, which turned out to be a perfect vehicle for Hitler. But that doesn't mean Thule mattered much ideologically. The influence of occultism on Nazism is often overstated because it makes for a cool story. A more sober take: Stephen E. Flowers - The Occult in National Socialism (2001).

My (admittedly limited) understanding is that the occult subgroups in the NSDAP were emphasized/exaggerated after the fact. Primarily in America, and primarily because America was still at the time mostly White Christian. With the supposed intent of circulating rumors of Nazi occultism alongside Holocaust stories and Christian Zionism, in order to harden the white Christian population against Nazism, and thus make the Holocaust mythos and Zionism more interesting/appealing to an American Christian audience.

Not saying that any supposed occultism wasn't favored among the inner NSDAP, just saying that the extent/scale of it was likely exaggerated for the aforementioned reasons.

 

[big pauper]

There were both pagan elements and an attempt to subvert Christianity into a new, racialist religion stripped of "Jewish" influences (figure that one out with respect to Jesus). The SS especially got into some weird, esoteric shit.

It's also really important to note the Nazis' lowest support was in the most Catholic areas, especially Bavaria.

if i was a nazi in 1935 the last thing i would have kowtowed was stuff that flat out claimed influence by the jews

there was a big theological shift in the jews in the 18th century which pretty much directly caused the rise of secular jewish nationalism (zionism) and fostered the nationslist conflicts in the balkans that led to world war 1. You know where it goes from there. It focused on emotion and relativistic posturing rather than strict interpretation and study of the text. They basically got loosey-goosey with their theology and started doing cosubstantiality - basically they became gnostics. The christian esoterics thought that was fucking awesome, pretty much every single christian esoteric in the 19th century like Alistar Crowley was heavily influenced by the gnostic aspects of lurianic kabblah but literally all of them thought it was stuff that was invented in ancient egypt, rather than about 75 years previously by a guy in poland

the nazis most certainly did not like any of that shit, they had their own brand of gnostic esotericism. They would have certainly called it a jewish psyop

 

[VM_]

Yeah, there was a strain of German intellectual life going back to the late 19th century that mixed occultism/paganism, anti-Semitism, and voelkisch nationalism. Some Nazis dabbled in that milieu. But the occult part specifically didn't have much of a practical influence on Nazism. The Thule-Gesellschaft matters historically because one of their guys founded the DAP, which turned out to be a perfect vehicle for Hitler. But that doesn't mean Thule mattered much ideologically. The influence of occultism on Nazism is often overstated because it makes for a cool story. A more sober take: Stephen E. Flowers - The Occult in National Socialism (2001).

The occult is often times mixed up with intelligence work, so keep that in mind and the point of the religion they were working on was to manifest these occult ideas (especially that spook Blavatsky's work) into something more organized and coherent. It's the whole esoteric = intentionally hidden / exoteric = outwards practical use dynamic. Check out the Magi of the North chapter from James Webb's Occult Establishment book.

 

[Cnidarian]

The christian esoterics thought that was fucking awesome, pretty much every single christian esoteric in the 19th century like Alistar Crowley

That's.... a pretty wild overcorrection from the usual posturing.

 

[big pauper]

That's.... a pretty wild overcorrection from the usual posturing.

it's not really a good way to describe him i'll admit but what he was isn't really important to my point. if you're tracing jewish influence on christian esotericism, the golden dawn mythos is huge. it became so widespread that people don't even know the stuff they're reading was lifted from it wholesale - they just think it's egyptian/gnostic. most of the weird ass enochian shit that you see people talking about is hanging on a framework that's more crowley than anything else

 

[Local Farmer]

After I got called a heretic by a user who later admitted to masturbating to lolicon, I decided to stop talking about religion on this website outside of the KKK

 

[Soycast II]

After I got called a heretic by a user who later admitted to masturbating to lolicon, I decided to stop talking about religion on this website outside of the KKK

That post remains one of the funniest things I’ve read on this site.

 

[Gemerson]

women had no rights,

I want women to keep some rights, we're humans not mudslimes.

 

[Gemerson]

After I got called a heretic by a user who later admitted to masturbating to lolicon, I decided to stop talking about religion on this website outside of the KKK

What heresy did he accuse you of?

 

[Agares]

Devolving back into the Religious Right is not how we should respond to wokeness/SJW's. This is the shit that helped spawn these retards in the first place.

 

[Slap47]

>Gets derailed by Christians bringing up pagans and Hitler

Hitler was likely an Atheist, but we simply cannot know.
There are no records of any private conversations where he professes any faith or non-faith and anything involving statecraft and propaganda should be seen as performance instead of expressions of belief.

There is no good evidence that he was a Christian, but I do think there is an argument to be made for him being an atheist or at the very least unconcerned with religion. Hitler believed in a natural order informed by Social Darwinism and racism. His belief system did not need the existence of God to function. He hated antiquated monarchies that took their authority from divine right and tried to control religion instead of let it dictate his policy. He obviously had no respect for religion and an ideology that did not need a God.

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This guy is a good example of these people having a warped understanding of redemption.



On MATI Null recommended that people stop talking about things they plan to do. Talking about something makes it less likely that somebody will do something because talking about it gives them a little bit of the feeling they would get from having done it. This is alot of Euphoric/based Christianity. Hyper performative religiosity without any meaningful change or self-reflection. They hyper-focus on others and practice exaggerated religiosity to avoid confronting their own sins.

He realized he had a problem, but instead of stopping he changed how he did it. He still wanted to look at porn all day so he made his degeneracy into heroics by cropping the porn and posting it on this forum to complain about how bad it was. Instead of dealing with his own cosmic battle he tried to recontexualize it into a crusade where all he had to do was attack others. He made that post you posted in earnest because he believed he was redeemed because of all of his "heroic" posting, but yet had completely failed to stop being a degenerate himself.

Another good example is Ethan Ralph. He lives in complete sin, but believes that shouting "CHRIST IS KANG" and complaining about degenerates all of the time is enough to make him virtuous.

 

[Local Farmer]

What heresy did he accuse you of?

The Filioque, which to 99% of Cradle Catholics and Orthodox has absolutely zero relevance to their spiritual (or social life) but to retarded spergs that converted 10 seconds ago, it’s the worst thing in the world.

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That post remains one of the funniest things I’ve read on this site.

The Phantom Sneeds got his ass and stole his treasure, forcing him to confess on a Mongolian basket weaving forum

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On MATI Null recommended that people stop talking about things they plan to do. Talking about something makes it less likely that somebody will do something because talking about it gives them a little bit of the feeling they would get from having done it. This is alot of Euphoric/based Christianity. Hyper performative religiosity without any meaningful change or self-reflection. They hyper-focus on others and practice exaggerated religiosity to avoid confronting their own sins.

People forget that an inward journey of faith is required. Fasting, praying, going to Mass is all made null if you don’t actually appreciate the inward meaning or beauty of it.

 

[Male Idiot]

There were both pagan elements and an attempt to subvert Christianity into a new, racialist religion stripped of "Jewish" influences (figure that one out with respect to Jesus). The SS especially got into some weird, esoteric shit.

It's also really important to note the Nazis' lowest support was in the most Catholic areas, especially Bavaria.

Hitler didn't care for the pagan stuff and he didn't want to be Jesus. He had not taste for mysticism. From Albert Speer's memoirs:
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Who if not God would deny His divinity? -Lorgar Aurelion

Spaceking has no such humility issues!

Tell them about per capita!

 

[Cnidarian]

This feels like the perfect opportunity to bring up Warhammer 40,000. Euphoric Christians agree but they're not sure how this is a special time because that game is always relevant in their delusions, in fact, this is what draws the line between an annoying religious devotee and an euphoric christian in my opinion. I won't deny that not all annoying Warhammer fans are euphorics, this is a brand that gets away with every hallmark of a "shitty fandom" because it looks "adult" (while looking like the nineties phase of Toy Story's Buzz Lightyear you-know-I'm-right), euphoric christians are just their chud version of the millennials who mistake Harry Potter for hard hitting political allegory. Or possibly actual gospel with how much they seem to think that Slaanesh, Nurgle, The Horned Rat, or whatever are actual gods marching into Hogwarts Holy Terra.
You have:

• Medieval History
• The Bible
• Real demonology
• Modern historical parallels
• Authentic religious fiction

to use in a simile, why the FUCK would you pick toys marketed at children in a serious political conversation? Um, excuse me, I forgot to speak their language to effectively explain this. Why are you using trademarked characters like they are words of High Gothic? That is very Tzeenchian of you. Lorgar, his father admonishes. The Imperium of Man isn't even a science fiction analogue of Christianity, it's a civic pagan death cult, it's the kind of people the Conquistadors and the Prophets ruthlessly exterminated in history. Euphoric christians belittle their religious forerunners and the hard decisions they made by equivocating them through this game line.

 

[Slap47]

People forget that an inward journey of faith is required. Fasting, praying, going to Mass is all made null if you don’t actually appreciate the inward meaning or beauty of it.

I think this is why many become "Tradcaths".

You simply have to input "good works" to become good again. This is obviously not what Catholic theology preaches, but this simplistic viewpoint can easily be gleaned from the religion.

You can also pervert Protestantism by just shouting that you believe and therefore you are good - eg, Ethan Ralph.

 

[Taser Confetti]

I think this is why many become "Tradcaths".

You simply have to input "good works" to become good again. This is obviously not what Catholic theology preaches, but this simplistic viewpoint can easily be gleaned from the religion.

Becoming a Catholic as an adult isn’t like doing the Evangelical magic words or a Muslim doing the Hadith. It a process that includes attending classes called the Order of Christian Initiation of Adults.

I don’t believe for a second the most obnoxious groypers here and on Twitter are doing that or attending mass and going to confession.

It’s like the neckbeard metal heads who call themselves Odinists.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

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I both disagree and agree with this sentiment. Like a lot of yall around here I think Gnosticism and all that other shit is Wicca for men. And I think people really under appreciate traditional low church forms like white steepled clapboard churches and English hymns and what not, Protestant practice as it traditionally was until just a few decades ago and still is in many churches.

But as someone that likes “Biblically accurate angels” I think a lot of people that it resonates with resonate with it because it is reintroducing a numinous quality that’s integral to historical Christianity but lost in the modern church. That baby angels and God as an old grandpa neutered the otherworldly quality of it.

 

[big pauper]

I think this is why many become "Tradcaths".

You simply have to input "good works" to become good again. This is obviously not what Catholic theology preaches, but this simplistic viewpoint can easily be gleaned from the religion.

You can also pervert Protestantism by just shouting that you believe and therefore you are good - eg, Ethan Ralph.

the problem with catholic theology that ultimately caused the protestant reformation is that catholicism appears to have the right idea by requiring one to walk the walk to acquire salvation, but it also presents all sorts of rituals and fetishes that make 'being a christian' more of a performative thing than most protestants can muster, even the ones that only know how to talk the talk.