🪦 Deceased Elizabeth Waite / John Waite Jr. - You did this, Rat King

(There have been others among her friends, names I didn't recognize, who have contacted me to tell me that if I hadn't left her she'd still be alive. But fuck those people. Blocked.)

We might recognize those names. If you search them in our search bar or maybe just ask, that might be helpful information towards stopping those people.

Thank you again for coming here, Amanda. I know that when you were first asked why you came here, you were really just looking to "make it stop". You've pretty only responded to direct questions, so I wanted to ask how you're doing and what your more general thoughts are at this point.
 
I'm not sure who her supporters are in particular. But many of Lizzy's friends have posted condolences on her Facebook. I've messaged back and forth with several people she was close with. We're all trying to get through this.

(There have been others among her friends, names I didn't recognize, who have contacted me to tell me that if I hadn't left her she'd still be alive. But fuck those people. Blocked.)

You bear NO responsibility for Elizabeth's suicide. ZERO. NONE. Those who say that it's your fault deserve only the back of your hand. There are complete scum like AnOminous said.

Thank you for being so willing to speak here. We have your back for what it's worth.
 
We might recognize those names. If you search them in our search bar or maybe just ask, that might be helpful information towards stopping those people.

Thank you again for coming here, Amanda. I know that when you were first asked why you came here, you were really just looking to "make it stop". You've pretty only responded to direct questions, so I wanted to ask how you're doing and what your more general thoughts are at this point.
I'm still looking to make everything blow over. The sooner you all know what you want, the sooner you stop digging. The sooner you stop digging, the sooner the people crying foul because they think you're on a mission to destroy the world can stop exploiting her death for money.

lol anyone that willingly has a kid with such a sick person and passes on those genes is a selfish cow and deserves what they get
fight me irl, troll
 
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Just as a public service announcement, I'm going to start threadbanning people who think showing up to spout off is funny, even if @Manapan can handle herself.
 
The sooner you all know what you want, the sooner you stop digging. The sooner you stop digging, the sooner the people crying foul because they think you're on a mission to destroy the world can stop exploiting her death for money.

@Manapan we've pretty much stopped digging as soon as you came. You've been very mature, reasonable, and kind to us, and generally that means we will return the favor.

People are not going to stop exploiting your lovers death even if this thread dies. They were exploiting it long before this thread was even made. Greta is a terrible person and I assure you that she will be namedropping Elizabeth for donations for years to come.
 
I take a nap & wake up to find that I ineffectually tried to make Elizabeth's death a GamerGate conspiracy (albeit in a futile attempt to boost exposure). Apparently I turn into @Jaimas when I'm manic.
(jk @Jaimas u kno ilu)
Randi Harper's a cyberbullying activist, and she's smart enough to see Elizabeth's death had literally nothing to do with cyberbulling, and probably not dishonest enough to outright misrepresent it ; even for a good cause. I can't blame her, this is her professional reputation we're talking about and I'm sure the last thing she wants to do is put it between Kiwi Farms Assholes and a bunch of shrieking malicious troons (many of whom already hate her for being halfway reasonable).
This is. . .a really good point. If Phil bouncing & squeaking about us was enough to cause this shitstorm in the first place, I can only imagine how the rest of the Rat King would react, especially given Nora's one-sided blood feud with Based Blue. That wouldn't be fair to her. So that's out.
Jamie Walton even more so ; her remit is the sexual trafficking of underage girls, and she already stepped into a quagmire of internet drama when she got Rapp fired. It would be highly inappropriate to ask her to have anything to do with this, it has nothing to do with the charity she represents, and she's already taken more than her fair share of punishment for associating with deplorables like us.
Also a good point. I think my reasoning was that since people already think she's in league with the big bad cyberbowlies, she wouldn't be opposed to plugging the GoFundMe for us. But you're right, she's already suffered enough simply because she showed up to defend herself, à la Amanda, kerfluffle with Allison notwithstanding.
So you're right, that wouldn't be fair, especially when she's already got her hands full with TWF.
Wu is a solid prospect, as are the other bloggers who'll mindlessly virtue signal for trannies. Wu is crafty enough to completely ignore this if she gets wind Kiwi Farms are involved, but Colby Klaus, David Gallant, Arthur Chu and Nora Reed are all decent prospects too, albeit with smaller audiences. They'll probably boost this if we frame it as "Kiwi Farms killed a poor innocent tranny with cyberbullying" but who the fuck cares, let them. Our reputation is shit anyway.
Glad to see I wasn't completely off the mark. I think that's why I mentioned @Jaimas ---if anyone knows Brianna well enough to slip something by her without arousing too much suspicion, it's him. So I'm just gonna leave that alone for now, since I don't want to pre-emptively cock things up on that front.
However, I think I have a pretty good idea for how to get Nora & David involved, which admittedly isn't hard because we all know they're both really, REALLY stupid. Arthur may be a bit tricky. @Jaimas knows Colby a lot better than I do, so I'll leave that to his discretion.
I'd propose the journalists Margaret Pless and Patrick Klepick as your best shots for a decent exposure.
Good to know. I don't know about the latter, but I keep seeing the former's name crop up a lot. I'll have to do some research.
Anyway, thanks @Dynastia, you're the best.
fight me irl, troll
Gooble gobble, gooble gobble, one of us, one of us
 
There have been others among her friends, names I didn't recognize, who have contacted me to tell me that if I hadn't left her she'd still be alive. But fuck those people. Blocked.)


Screw that!
I hope you don't let that crap get you down.
Because it is just that...crap!
I mentioned before how toxic the community can be and unfortunately you were targeted with proof.

You did what is best for your kid and that's what matters.
In situations like this that takes a lot of strength.
Hang in there.
 
@Manapan

I'm sorry for the loss of your loved one and the father of your child.

I'm also sorry that you seemed to have lost them before they decided to take their own life, into the claws of toxic cult like community that are the ones that we cover on the farms.

I think it's sad and I normally have pretty snarky things to say about people like Elizabeth, but it looks like she fell into a bad crowd that started to convince her that she needed this (HRT) and she needed that (an orchiectomy). People like Greta and Fire and even Spudking. They take people, they hollow them out, they convince them that if anyone gives them less then 100% support for these irrevocable life changing decisions they should be dropped from their life.

Looking at Elizabeth's time from therapy to surgery was less then a year, and I find that to be terrifying as all hell.

There is a list of people that failed Elizabeth, but @Manapan, you aren't on it.
 
@Manapan we've pretty much stopped digging as soon as you came. You've been very mature, reasonable, and kind to us, and generally that means we will return the favor.

People are not going to stop exploiting your lovers death even if this thread dies. They were exploiting it long before this thread was even made. Greta is a terrible person and I assure you that she will be namedropping Elizabeth for donations for years to come.
Why can't Amanda ask her to stop out of respect for her family's privacy? She can't say no without looking like a selfish jackass.
 
I'm still looking to make everything blow over. The sooner you all know what you want, the sooner you stop digging. The sooner you stop digging, the sooner the people crying foul because they think you're on a mission to destroy the world can stop exploiting her death for money.

This thread will die sooner rather than later. Unfortunately, we have no control over people within the trans community who are running their own agenda and they will likely continue to use Elizabeth's name for their own ends. It's unlikely that they would stop even if you asked them nicely because they are on a crusade and that crusade isn't just - or even primarily - about "taking down the farms".

What will happen, though, is that eventually there'll be someone new to exploit and Elizabeth's name will be mentioned less often. They know that the best time to raise money off her death is while feelings are still raw.

Again, try to focus on yourself and Tatoe for now. Things will blow over but when that happens is outside your control.
 
Why can't Amanda ask her to stop out of respect for her family's privacy? She can't say no without looking like a selfish jackass.
Somehow I don't think Greta is too concerned about that. They'd probably come up with something to make them seem like Amanda doesn't care about Elizabeth's suicide and preventing further ones in their community.
 
Somehow I don't think Greta is too concerned about that. They'd probably come up with something to make them seem like Amanda doesn't care about Elizabeth's suicide and preventing further ones in their community.

Yeah, check the Greta thread. Greta posted some bullshit about how she can't, in good conscience, disengage because fascism needs fighting. Not enough roll-eyes in the world.
 
The link to the gofundme for elizabeth's expenses was tweeted at Greta. Greta did not share the link nor was a donation made. Greta just felt it was more imperative to squabble on twitter.
 
Have we got a screenshot?


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@Manapan, I have a question.

Are you aware that very large percentages of children who identify as not being their biological sex have been sexually molested by adults (20-30% of would-be MTF boys, upward of 50% of would-be FTM girls)? Additionally, sexual abuse victims often become perpetrators, especially with children of a similar age, sex, and relationship in a way that perpetuates the abuse cycle. Your husband repeatedly told you he did not want children, and around the time that your child was getting to the age when your husband was first victimized, he suddenly desperately needed an orchiectomy. When he left the house, even for a week, your child's behavior improved by leaps and bounds and he would make eye contact and socialize in ways he previously wouldn't.

Have you ever considered that these factors may be linked? Has your child been evaluated by abuse specialists, NOT gender specialists? Has anyone discussed with him whether his father was engaging in inappropriate sexual behavior with him? It is clear from so many of your stories (like about threatening to shoot himself in front of your child and you, but trying to get more and more custody even though he was clearly unfit) that he felt rage and possessiveness toward your child on a regular basis. Did your child ever have any odd sexual knowledge, act out sexually? Did your husband alternate between being angry with his son and being incredibly over-indulgent, especially at times when he felt the child was sad? Did your son ever have any physical complaints that could be somatization of abuse, like frequent stomachaches, headaches? Did he ever hide his clothing or underwear?
 
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