🪦 Deceased Elizabeth Waite / John Waite Jr. - You did this, Rat King

[RI 360]

Month thirteen I was in the mental hospital and she found a new partner to help her cope while I was in there. Which pissed me off and put a huge wedge between us; it was really the beginning of the end of our relationship. So things went downhill fast. You can't just abandon a person with BPD.

I creeped your reddit posts and this especially, among other things, absolutely infuriated me about their behavior. You were so tolerant and patient dealing with them with what you thought was the best path to mental health and emotional happiness and then at the first sign of adversity on your end, from something completely out of your control, they jumped shipped and expected you to JUST GET IT. And you were being unreasonable for not understanding their unquenchable thirst for asspats is the relationships actual priority. Incredibly cruel, selfish, myopic behavior.

 

[Axiom]

@Manapan you mention Elizabeth seeking out extramarital partners - what was her explanation or justification for this? Was your relationship open in any way, or did Elizabeth just unilaterally decide that it was totally cool to look for someone else on the side?

If your relationship was open, whose idea was it, and why? If your relationship wasn't open, how did Elizabeth explain or justify taking on other partners? Did she try to hide it, or was it out in the open?

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

She never went to AA.

Thinking back, I'd say she had five good months after getting hormones before she started to spiral. Month six she started drinking again (she had to stop to get her hormones prescribed due to early stage alcoholic liver damage, but blood work showed it had reversed itself then). Month seven was her first suicide attempt and when her brother-in-law committed suicide. Month eight her mood picked up but uh, mostly because she had found herself a girlfriend. I was upset about that and made them break up. Month nine was mixed; she was happy about our vow renewal but my grandfather and our pet both died that month. Months ten and eleven were pretty low. One year and she was in the mental hospital voluntarily. Month thirteen I was in the mental hospital and she found a new partner to help her cope while I was in there. Which pissed me off and put a huge wedge between us; it was really the beginning of the end of our relationship. So things went downhill fast. You can't just abandon a person with BPD.

So she was functionally incapable of taking any kind or responsibility, or practicing fidelity.
It's often the case that people who are stunted emotionally or psychologically feel the need to practice polyamory or "open" marriages. It's not so much something they're choosing or not choosing as it is a simple lack of character. They can't live without constant affirmation for a multitude of people, and true intimacy requires a level of honesty and vulnerability that is impossible for them.

 

[repentance]

Rani just tweeted the link to the GFM, so hopefully the word will spread now in spite of TLL.

 

[HG 400]

Rani just tweeted the link to the GFM, so hopefully the word will spread now in spite of TLL.

She's one of the good ones.

 

[repentance]

She's one of the good ones.

Yep. All it took was a polite request. The campaign is trending now.

 

[LegoTugboat]

I'm going to ask the blatantly obvious question, to which the answer is already known, but I'd like to see it in black and white anyway.

Has there been any sympathy or condolences, or even offers of help from Greta's... supporters towards you?

 

[BOLDYSPICY!]

I'm going to ask the blatantly obvious question, to which the answer is already known, but I'd like to see it in black and white anyway.

Has there been any sympathy or condolences, or even offers of help from Greta's... supporters towards you?

That's what I'd like to know. I'm absolutely furious that 1) Greta has yet to reach out to a grieving widow & her child, & 2) that Greta has the gall to blame us for the suicide of one of her "sisters" when @Manapan confirmed that one of Elizabeth's suicide attempts happened because no one at TLL could be arsed to pick up the goddamn phone.

@Manapan , I know it's been said a hundred times by everyone else, but I'm sorry for your loss. I may not be able to contribute much, but if nothing else I can spread the GoFundMe link around.

 

[DuskEngine]

Jaimas is going to drop his article later today. Probably an easier read than wading through the thread.

have you ever read a jaimas post

Oh for fuck sake, this is a new low, even for you. She's dead and you're continuing to bash her after she is dead. You used to have the class to delete threads on people who killed themselves but no go ahead and keep alogging to advance your grudge against us. Whatever you say about the "so called" rat king, these people are my family and you are going to get what's coming to you.

lol calm down

 

[Sharonthecat]

I'm going to ask the blatantly obvious question, to which the answer is already known, but I'd like to see it in black and white anyway.

Has there been any sympathy or condolences, or even offers of help from Greta's... supporters towards you?

I'd be stunned if any of them even know who she is.

 

[BOLDYSPICY!]

have you ever read a jaimas post

Actually, wait, that gives me an idea. @Jaimas , do you know someone with an in to Brianna Wu? Maybe we could get her to signal boost the GoFundMe link since she's so, ahem, vocal about trans issues. Maybe---& this a huge stretch---we could get Randi Harper in on it, too? Better yet, if everybody already thinks we're responsible, & that we're all GG terrorists, we could get the rest of Anti-GG to spread the word around.

I'm also running on Day Two of no sleep, so this probably only makes sense to me, but it's worth a shot.

Realistically, there's also Jamie Walton who could help.

 

[wagglyplacebo]

Yeah jaimas write a letter to Brianna wu.

 

[GREEDY FIREMAN]

I'm absolutely furious that 1) Greta has yet to reach out to a grieving widow & her child,

Given what we know about Greta that's probably a good thing.

@Manapan I'm sorry for your loss and the fact that Grodey Greta and Philthy Phil are trying to use your family's loss for their own gain.

 

[HG 400]

Actually, wait, that gives me an idea. @Jaimas , do you know someone with an in to Brianna Wu? Maybe we could get her to signal boost the GoFundMe link since she's so, ahem, vocal about trans issues. Maybe---& this a huge stretch---we could get Randi Harper in on it, too? Better yet, if everybody already thinks we're responsible, & that we're all GG terrorists, we could get the rest of Anti-GG to spread the word around.

I'm also running on Day Two of no sleep, so this probably only makes sense to me, but it's worth a shot.

Realistically, there's also Jamie Walton who could help.

Randi Harper's a cyberbullying activist, and she's smart enough to see Elizabeth's death had literally nothing to do with cyberbulling, and probably not dishonest enough to outright misrepresent it ; even for a good cause. I can't blame her, this is her professional reputation we're talking about and I'm sure the last thing she wants to do is put it between Kiwi Farms Assholes and a bunch of shrieking malicious troons (many of whom already hate her for being halfway reasonable).

Jamie Walton even more so ; her remit is the sexual trafficking of underage girls, and she already stepped into a quagmire of internet drama when she got Rapp fired. It would be highly inappropriate to ask her to have anything to do with this, it has nothing to do with the charity she represents, and she's already taken more than her fair share of punishment for associating with deplorables like us.

This is the worst thing about Greta and her people, btw. Not only do they refuse to help anyone, they actively get in the way of it.

Wu is a solid prospect, as are the other bloggers who'll mindlessly virtue signal for trannies. Wu is crafty enough to completely ignore this if she gets wind Kiwi Farms are involved, but Colby Klaus, David Gallant, Arthur Chu and Nora Reed are all decent prospects too, albeit with smaller audiences. They'll probably boost this if we frame it as "Kiwi Farms killed a poor innocent tranny with cyberbullying" but who the fuck cares, let them. Our reputation is shit anyway.

I'd propose the journalists Margaret Pless and Patrick Klepick as your best shots for a decent exposure. Good reach with the slacktivists, tranny virtue-signallers, and they fucking hate our guts to pieces. They might be able to help, especially if they think they're dragging our names through the mud at the same time.

 

[Daughter of Cernunnos]

Should have put his suicide note in the OP.

 

[Jaimas]

Actually, wait, that gives me an idea. @Jaimas , do you know someone with an in to Brianna Wu? Maybe we could get her to signal boost the GoFundMe link since she's so, ahem, vocal about trans issues. Maybe---& this a huge stretch---we could get Randi Harper in on it, too? Better yet, if everybody already thinks we're responsible, & that we're all GG terrorists, we could get the rest of Anti-GG to spread the word around.

I'm also running on Day Two of no sleep, so this probably only makes sense to me, but it's worth a shot.

Realistically, there's also Jamie Walton who could help.

Sadly Wu exiled most of our intel operatives who'd infiltrated her Twitter circles during one of her post-chimp-out purges.

You might still be able to get her to react, though. Wu isn't very smart.

 

[Smutley]

So just to put a final nail in the coffin of Greta and Phil's disinformation campaign.

The very first mention that that Elizabeth every received on Kiwi Farms was back in 2015 by @Morbid Boredom. Any guesses as to what it was? We were agreeing with her when she called Phil out for being stupid. Fuck you reasonable advice indeed.

The next mention of Elizabeth came from myself in October of 2015 in our Lolcalf Files thread. I mentioned, since she had been a public asspatter of Phil, that she was worth looking in to, which was then followed by @Thetan asking me to hold off because some of the people listed might be cool like Skarlett.

You know when the next mention of Elizabeth was? Want to take a guess?

The fucking day she died.

But you know who had been stirring the pot? Phil. Phil had been beating this drum for months, and through his constant squeaking and bouncing, began telling all his friends if their names showed up here. He told this to someone who was a paranoid shut in who thought a man was going to find her in a walgreens bathroom and murder her because he stupidly said something on an unrelated Facebook page. Her only mentions of us - THE ONLY ONES - were from October of 2015. There were no more mentions at all.

Oh yeah - the GFM link has been added to the OP.

 

[Jaimas]

So just to put a final nail in the coffin of Greta and Phil's disinformation campaign.

The very first mention that that Elizabeth every received on Kiwi Farms was back in 2015 by @Morbid Boredom. Any guesses as to what it was? We were agreeing with her when she called Phil out for being stupid. Fuck you reasonable advice indeed.
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The next mention of Elizabeth came from myself in October of 2015 in our Lolcalf Files thread. I mentioned, since she had been a public asspatter of Phil, that she was worth looking in to, which was then followed by @Thetan asking me to hold off because some of the people listed might be cool like Skarlett.
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You know when the next mention of Elizabeth was? Want to take a guess?
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The fucking day she died.

But you know who had been stirring the pot? Phil. Phil had been beating this drum for months, and through his constant squeaking and bouncing, began telling all his friends if their names showed up here. He told this to someone who was a paranoid shut in who thought a man was going to find her in a walgreens bathroom and murder her because he stupidly said something on an unrelated Facebook page. Her only mentions of us - THE ONLY ONES - were from October of 2015. There were no more mentions at all.
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Oh yeah - the GFM link has been added to the OP.

To writ: If you are claiming that the Farms is a reason that Waite killed herself, then you are also claiming Phil was a direct cause of death.

The Farms is either responsible and blood is on ADF's hands, or it's not and you're openly full of shit.

Pick one.

 

[Very Honest Content]

The potato (not Tatoe) is thoroughly cooked once and for all.

But, but, but Phil said he has access to PM's that prove John II's blood is dripping off Smutly's tranny flag color painted bat, he'll be able to slip the guilt by action due to that unseen at this time evidence . . .

Yeah.

 

[Manapan]

@Manapan you mention Elizabeth seeking out extramarital partners - what was her explanation or justification for this? Was your relationship open in any way, or did Elizabeth just unilaterally decide that it was totally cool to look for someone else on the side?

If your relationship was open, whose idea was it, and why? If your relationship wasn't open, how did Elizabeth explain or justify taking on other partners? Did she try to hide it, or was it out in the open?

She and I had only ever been with each other; neither of us had dated much before so we met as virgins. It used to be a point of pride for her. I was a closeted pansexual who wasn't so closeted when I was drinking. Several times when we were younger and in a bar I'd try to pick us up another girl to take home. She always ran interference. She'd tell me that she didn't need or want anyone else in any way.

When she started transitioning, there was a local(ish) woman who helped her find resources, shared tips, etc. She really appreciated that and she tried to be that for others who were earlier in the process than she was. She spent a lot of time chatting with people online to help them, and we'd sometimes send care packages of clothing and makeup to them. After her first suicide attempt, she got too close to one of them and they decided they were in love. Lizzy explained this by saying that she needed more attention and affection than I was capable of giving, and that she had never felt loved and thought that if more people were loving on her maybe she'd finally feel it. I wasn't having any of it and I demanded they break up or not only was I canceling our vow renewal, I was also divorcing her. So she cut contact with the person.

The second one was a person she was relying on for emotional support while I was in the hospital and she fell for them. That was when I finally decided that if she wanted things to be open that badly, fine. Things kind of exploded after that. I wouldn't say she ever tried to hide it. She just got too close to people and fell for them. She always told me right away once she had caught feelings for them.

I'm going to ask the blatantly obvious question, to which the answer is already known, but I'd like to see it in black and white anyway.

Has there been any sympathy or condolences, or even offers of help from Greta's... supporters towards you?

I'm not sure who her supporters are in particular. But many of Lizzy's friends have posted condolences on her Facebook. I've messaged back and forth with several people she was close with. We're all trying to get through this.

(There have been others among her friends, names I didn't recognize, who have contacted me to tell me that if I hadn't left her she'd still be alive. But fuck those people. Blocked.)