Does anyone else genuinely miss the 2000s?

I miss just the single rule being don't be a fucking idiot and if you called someone a Nazi you automatically lost and literally everyone in the discussion would join in on mocking you for being that absolutely goddamn retarded. I think even Mike Godwin now unironically calls people Nazis.

He does. In particular he did so for Bolsonaro, who while extremely authoritarian actually supports Israel and isn't remotely anti semitic so that doesn't make any sense. The cold war Brazilian junta would have been a much better comparison, but it's not the easy insult.
 
It does not help that South Park attacked PC culture while it has historically been left wing in 2015. They likely just lost the audience as their fans grew worse than expected. But I cannot know for sure, I will admit. Just something about South Park’s cultural significance strikes me as an enabler.
I wouldn't say South Park was "left wing", Parker and Stone are libertarians. The right wing was more obnoxious and shows like South Park was in response to such an oppressive cultural shift.

The joy about shows like that were that they were topical, but rarely preachy. Shit is happening in the world, they lampoon it for entertainment. To laugh and escape for a little bit.
 
Yeah, I get what you mean. Free speech used to be a leftist issue because the people trying to censor everyone were Maude Flanders and Helen Lovejoy. Now that the left has full control over the media it's become a right one.

It's still worth noting though the the extreme progressive stack was pushing language police shit long before the early 2000s. Stuff like mail carrier as opposed to mailman and fire fighter as opposed to fireman. Free speech has always been getting squeezed from both sides, the power balance has just flipped.
Maybe it is a bit of the leftist in me, but I honestly do not see an issue with changing fireman to fighter or mailman to mail carrier. Maybe it is because I was born after that time, but I guess if the occupations are going to have women having a general term as the all encompassing does not strike me as bad.

I get what you mean though. The Left has always had the people that push and go overboard, it is just more apparent nowadays.

South Park was never left wing. They mercilessly mocked Al Gore in the early series.

Also if you seriously think the BLM riots this year were because of cartoons, I really don't know what to say. The left going crazy is caused by the behaviour of the news media and politicians, not fan communities.
In my original argument I was responding to the idea that there is more general pseudo-intellectualism nowadays. I believed that South Park could have been a cause to it as many took South Park as the gospel and for intelligent individuals.

South Park is one of those shows that people historically have misunderstood and tried to make into something it is not. South Park is known for attack individuals or both sides, but many see it as their justification for holding a position. Take something like the Whale Watchers episode, where the two made fun of whale hunters and activists, then were gifted by activists for fighting for their cause? South Park is the ultimate pseudo-intellectual show as many take messages out of it that are not there. I think a huge amount of hatred is being thrown at it nowadays from the left simply because it does not reaffirm them anymore. Now that the duo came out as Republican and make more not leftist episodes, much of the left that onced praised it are starting to realize that it never was the leftist show it had been portrayed as by news articles. They also want it to take a position like it did with Scientology, but it will not tell them Dumpf bad like they are expecting. They hate that it does not have a stance like they thought it did.
I believe much of South Park’s culture also contributed to the pseudo-intellectual vids you see on YouTube as people are taking on the goal of finding the deeper meaning in works that are not there. The media analysis people likely take a lot from the articles of old that tried to say South Park is the smartest show ever. And with this new culture, people like Anita built audiences of its back as she technically was an analysis channel

South Park is by no means responsible for anything, but part of me does wonder if the years of praise did work its way into culture. I think more than we know do legitimately take their politics from a cartoon and many use it as a reaffirmer, even today with people like No Bullshit getting hard for it. The show does not have many deep messages, but much of the media culture thinks it does, and that sort of unsettles me to a degree.
 
South Park is the ultimate pseudo-intellectual show as many take messages out of it that are not there. I think a huge amount of hatred is being thrown at it nowadays from the left simply because it does not reaffirm them anymore.
I wouldn't call it pseudo-intellectual because that implies it ever even pretended to be intellectual. It didn't. Maybe some obnoxious fans did. It was deliberately stupid and offensive. It isn't like Rick and Morty though, which is the ultimate pseudo-intellectual show because it actively pretends to be intellectual. It had a lot of the traits that made something like Beavis and Butt-Head good in that it worked on different levels, i.e. it mocked retards while at the same time being entertaining even to the very retards it was mocking. As much as it could be merciless, there's somehow a core of decency to what Parker & Stone did. They don't hate anyone. It isn't pure cruelty for cruelty's sake. This came through a lot more in Book of Mormon where you get the impression they started out just wanting to mock the shit out of Mormons but couldn't help but find something to like about them too.
 
I definitely miss the 2000s, at least in terms of the internet. I especially miss the days before Twitter became popular. That was when outrage culture started to really kick off, and words cannot express how much I despise outrage culture. Always mad at someone, always offended by something. It's extremely draining to see it on a regular basis. I've taken to mostly playing video games when I'm not here or working, because the internet really went down the gutter.

Real life, however, provided you don't live in an awful city, doesn't seem all that different. Where I live, anyway, people mostly keep to themselves, so not a lot of drama. Can't speak for those that do live in awful cities, but I pray for those kiwis.
 
I wouldn't call it pseudo-intellectual because that implies it ever even pretended to be intellectual. It didn't. Maybe some obnoxious fans did. It was deliberately stupid and offensive. It isn't like Rick and Morty though, which is the ultimate pseudo-intellectual show because it actively pretends to be intellectual. It had a lot of the traits that made something like Beavis and Butt-Head good in that it worked on different levels, i.e. it mocked retards while at the same time being entertaining even to the very retards it was mocking. As much as it could be merciless, there's somehow a core of decency to what Parker & Stone did. They don't hate anyone. It isn't pure cruelty for cruelty's sake. This came through a lot more in Book of Mormon where you get the impression they started out just wanting to mock the shit out of Mormons but couldn't help but find something to like about them too.
Agree. Should of called it a pseudo-intellectual harbor. The show itself is well written, and while I stopped caring, I cannot deny my old enjoyment of it. The show is fine, but the people that treat it the way they do are so out of it. Even Matt and Trey seem uncomfortable with its treatment over the years. I guess my main thesis was that South Park kinda started the pseudo-intellectual culture with its mockery of stupidity in the past. It did not ask for this, nor do I see any writer intent, but it has clearly been misunderstood and taken as grander than it ever was. I sort of feel bad for Matt and Trey as they have explain things that were never meant to be political stances nowadays.
 
I have never felt more my age than when reading this thread...fuck I'm old. That being said I do miss the freedom I had in the 00's and the fact my skinnier, man-whorier, self pulled quite a bit of ass when I was working retail. The internet was better, P2P file sharing had me burning dozens of mix CDs for road trips, fat and hairy women were an extreme niche outlier in porn, and Gamefaqs didn't completely suck ass. I miss being able to have banter with friends that went "shut your fag mouth fagballs before I jam my fag foot in your faghole" and we all laugh about it, without anyone in the room frothing at the mouth about bigotry or some shit.

Could just be my being on the cusp of middle age talking, but I would honestly do 1996 to 2006 completely over again if I had the opportunity and the current knowledge and mindset I have now.
 
I sort of feel bad for Matt and Trey as they have explain things that were never meant to be political stances nowadays.
But goddamn retards will say "everything is political." No it isn't, shut the fuck up, you're a moron. Your mom is political. Kill yourself.
 
Could just be my being on the cusp of middle age talking, but I would honestly do 1996 to 2006 completely over again if I had the opportunity and the current knowledge and mindset I have now.
I kind of wish like, I could stay the same age and keep my wife and kids and teleport our life to that time. I feel really bad for my boys having to grow up and date in this climate. Hopefully the more extreme aspects of the me too thing peters out by the time they're teenagers. I haven't been on the dating scene in a decade, but it seems like it's really easy for some jilted ex to ruin your reputation with a baseless accusation on social media.
 
I kind of wish like, I could stay the same age and keep my wife and kids and teleport our life to that time. I feel really bad for my boys having to grow up and date in this climate. Hopefully the more extreme aspects of the me too thing peters out by the time they're teenagers. I haven't been on the dating scene in a decade, but it seems like it's really easy for some jilted ex to ruin your reputation with a baseless accusation on social media.
For real, it used to be a jilted ex would just egg your car or some other really petty shit. Which, while still bad, isn't the life destroying garbage of the #metoo movement. Granted my manwhoring days were pretty much done by 2009, working too much and hitting the gym felt way better and more rewarding than chasing ass .

Kids can't really be kids anymore and it saddens me. How many cartoons and video games in the last 5 years didn't have some forced SJW LGBTQ message in them? We've got boys in school pretending to be girls to compete in girl's sports and fucking dominating them and instead of calling it for the bullshit it is, it's praised. Movies like Ladybugs made fun of that crap and now here we are living it and encouraging it! Every lunatic thing we joked about in the 90s and 00s became horrifying reality. It's no wonder this next generation is growing up intolerant of the LBGTQ and woke communities.
 
I really do think the Woke Left of the 2010's emerged not only as a backlash to the Religious Right of the Bush Administration and the Great Recession, but also as a backlash against the celebrity gossip and party culture of the 2000's.

The "everything is political" mindset and the rampant pretentiousness and pseudo-intellectual tendencies of the various SJW subgroups of the Woke Left is partly because of its strong background in academia but also it's likely a response to the anti-intellectualism, hedonistic escapism, and the celebrity gossip culture that was a big part of the wider 2000's pop culture zeitgeist.

Problem was they swung too hard in the opposite direction to where "everything is political", having fun is a sign of "privilege" and is therefore "problematic" and the "you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded" anti-intellectual mindset of the 2000's was replaced with the hyper-pretentious and extremely postmodern pseudo-intellectualism of the 2010's.

The minimalistic "hipsters and iPhones" aesthetic of the 2010's that came about in the wake of the Great Recession may have been a response to the tacky excesses of the 1990's and 2000's but seriously, can we go back to that? The post-2008 world has been a hellscape but I'm hoping a post-2020 world can be the antidote.

If Trump wins despite the horrors of COVID-19 and the BLM coup, that will cause a cultural shift and from there, the Woke Left will lose patronage from the bigwigs and with that, lose cultural influence. Especially if Trump keeps up the pressure against Critical Race Theory and intersectional leftism
As much as I miss the decade today there was an element of 2000s culture that was painfully idiotic*, once the 2010s rolled along there was an effort to "raise the bar" intelligence wise which was very refreshing, but then it wound up belly flopping into another form of idiocy.

"you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded" simply got replaced with "you talk like a nazi and your shit's all problematic"

It seems to be a problem with American culture in general for decades in that we keep flip flopping from one extreme to the other, we don't know how to not eventually push something past the point of obnoxiousness, even if it starts off as something good.


*one nauseating example of 2000s idiocy is the Bum Fights videos, the company that brought us that now deals in anti-Trump propaganda, which says it all.



I miss just the single rule being don't be a fucking idiot and if you called someone a Nazi you automatically lost and literally everyone in the discussion would join in on mocking you for being that absolutely goddamn retarded. I think even Mike Godwin now unironically calls people Nazis.
It's funny how much they threw Godwin's Law out the window, including Godwin himself, which it actually applies now more than ever.

Occasionally. The pandemic making an already oppressive feeling world all the more oppressive hasn't helped matters.
Life was already hard in 2019, then it became that much harder to where 2019 now seems like a lost paradise, it sucks.

Always mad at someone, always offended by something. It's extremely draining to see it on a regular basis.
Literally a not single days goes by in which they're not pissed off and offended about something, I just don't understand what the appeal is, why do people engage in that mindset?
 
It's funny how much they threw Godwin's Law out the window, including Godwin himself, which it actually applies now more than ever.
I literally ignore anything anyone says once they drag out Hitler's corpse. Just fuck off after that, you already admitted you had no real argument the instant you did that.
 
I literally ignore anything anyone says once they drag out Hitler's corpse. Just fuck off after that, you already admitted you had no real argument the instant you did that.
Eh, sometimes the comparison is valid, even though most of the time it isn't.

Here's a comparison you may agree with, you could say that modern black nationalists attitudes about black people are not too dissimilar to the Nazi's beliefs about Ayrans.

But 99% of the time it's intellectually lazy as hell to just call your opponent a "Nazi" and act like that settles the argument.
 
I miss the 2000s for a plethora of reasons-- The mid-late 2000s specifically. I hold a lot of nostalgia for my young adult years. Fun times.

While I believe a lot pop culture things sucked in the 2000s, that decade really shaped my personality and my interests/tastes. Basically, my taste in movies and music really came into its own during this time, and I have really fond memories of discovering all of that stuff.

While part of the reason why I miss the 2000s definitely stems from it being a huge part of my early adulthood, I will also say that the culture was a lot better as well. Politically, of course, this decade started a trajectory that we all will probably forever suffer the aftermath of ... But culturally, I'd say that we were in an overall good place.

Social media, smart phones, and popularizing nerd culture has fucking ruined everything.
 
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