Does anyone else genuinely miss the 2000s?

So much of this thread is people who grew up in a delusional world of low quality genre fiction suddenly discovering reality and then wanting to un-invent half the modern world so they can regress into the womb. The idea of crewed missions to Jupiter in 2001 is not something that credible scientists would have seriously proposed at any point; the cost of access to space has gone down a lot over the past few years but I wouldn't expect anything like that until the 2030s or later. Return to the moon is planned for this decade with the Artemis programme, but anything that much further will take longer. Even just looking at a scale map of the solar system would suggest what a massive logistical feat that would be.

The same goes for politics. Super-UN world governments are not something that ever came close to happening in history.

Maybe if people read science and history books instead, or even actual literature (Pynchon captures the absurdity of modern politics in some ways), they would be more prepared for the way things are.

I honestly find the majority of "actual literature" (i.e. modern literary fiction) is pretentious and boring these days but otherwise you're spot on in your assessment. Being a history geek myself, I always found the idea of a single one-world government to be ridiculous even for sci-fi works

Keep in mind a lot of the "low quality genre fiction" depicting manned space missions to Jupiter and a Super-UN government were written in the 1950's and 1960's during the Space Race and it was a time where a lot of people in general were impressed by the rapidly advancing technology and the post-WWII economic boom. There was this naïve sense of optimism and "Science as magic" vibe in a lot of the wider culture and it was amplified in science fiction at the time.

Futurama may have been a low brow TV comedy but it was also originally meant to take the piss out of the sci-fi fiction of that era (seeing as Matt Groening was a dorky kid who grew up during the 50's and 60's, that makes sense) since the show premiered close to the Turn of the Millennium.

I always kind of liked how it included a lot of the sci-fi tropes and mocked them with the Earth government being incompetent and corrupt and the sheer ridiculousness of a world where a lot of sci-fi tropes happened (global warming ended up getting cancelled out by nuclear winter, the Moon as a kitschy tourist attraction, etc.) and how society's still absurd in the 31st Century as opposed to some enlightened utopia
 
IMO 2016 onwards looks bad compared to the before times because it's been the time of the Great Unmasking. For example I remember W being respected by conservatives simply because he was attacked by the Dems, now he's been exposed as a shill for greater powers and anti anything that might actually benefit Americans.

The System TM is set up in such a way that it benefits the people in power and they keep our lives relatively peaceful as a "reward" for being good peons. I don't think Trump is that great a president personally but it's also true that he's done a lot of great things that have benefited American enormously. Tellingly, the things that benefit America send the rest of the world, and many formally respected people, into tizzies and shitfits.

Which makes a person think that maybe these people never deserved our respect in the first place. Certainly W has been exposed as being violently against America's self interest.

Politics and popular culture are closely intertwined, they influence each other. The time of Trump has been a time for massive cultural upheaval in many other areas, which shows how threatening one random orange dude is to the ruling class that wants to dictate whether we are peaceful and prosperous. It's not just politics either, it's all part of the greater backlash towards Woke Shit, which took root a little before the Obama presidency. (A lot of this stuff that we see today actually started appearing online around 2006 iirc.) And any kind of threat to cultural paradigms results in feuds.
 
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One thing I actually liked about the early seasons of Futurama was that it parodied the trope of the UN unifying Earth under one government and the implication being that the United States more or less took control of the UN in the same way that China's been doing IRL or how Merkel's Germany more or less controls the EU.

But rather than a utopian "United Earth" common to sci-fi, everything's just as dysfunctional, corrupt, and moronic as it was before.

The 2000's prior to 2007 were honestly a good time compared to before, even with 9/11 and The War on Terror taken into account but then again a lot of that is probably just childhood nostalgia and rose-colored glasses.

I think with the Bush years specifically, a lot of people were convinced that we had to more or less wait out his presidency and the Democrats could return us back to a state of affairs closer to the 90's, at least on a certain level to a certain degree. The Great Recession more or less killed all hope of that and made the cynicism of the culture even worse, but in a different way.

The 2000's was cynical just like the 2010's were, but it was a different kind of cynicism. For the most part, 2000's cynicism was either nonchalant "whistling past the graveyard" nihilism or it was edgy "Sasuke Uchiha/Shadow the Hedgehog/Linkin Park AMV/let's break stuff!" angst and rage.

The cynicism of the 2010's was more of the pretentious "Mean Girls" mentality where you can't be sincere or "cool" and everything has to be cloaked in several layers of postmodern irony and snark. The Woke Left as a whole always has this pretentious aura to them, and the fact most of them are from an academic background doesn't help matters.

I've stated this before countless times, but I think the Religious Right has a lot to do with how the Woke Left came into existence and how they got so powerful by comparison. The fundies had been in play for so long (at least since Reagan's first term, probably since the late Carter years) and by 2000, were starting to decline. The rise of Bush and the surge of post-9/11 patriotism did help give them an unexpected shot in the arm to keep them going a few years but it also meant that they became increasingly tied to Bush and more hated by the rest of the country.

Really, the urbanist approach of the Woke Left and guys like MovieBob really comes across as the natural evolution of the Red States vs. Blue States/America vs. Dumbfuckistan mentality of the Bush years, especially after the 2004 election.

I also think a lot of the most rabid "true believer" SJW's that are White college kids tend to be the ones who grew up in the Bible Belt or in strict conservative families and envied the liberal blue states. Then they got to college, got indoctrinated and took to that like a duck to water because now they had their own cult to strike back. Hell, even the ones who don't get brainwashed in college will do what they can to move to a lefty city to get with the "in crowd" in the trendy deep blue coastal urban areas. MovieBob has this sentiment but never fully realized his dream, while ADF grew up in a conservative household and moved to the hipster part of Philadelphia as soon as he could before moving to the West Coast.

There's this eerie cultural revanchist mentality from White SJW's that makes me think a lot of them want to get back at their families and the areas they grew up in. Doubly so if they lived in a red state and triply so if it was a core region of the Bible Belt like Appalachia or the real deep South.

With black supremacist leftists, the revanchist mindset was always there but it's disturbing to see it from White SJW's and often they believe it with greater zeal and insanity than their black comrades. The whole thing feels like the newly converted Woke Leftist White kids are "born again" and want to get back at their parents and be vindicated by The Right Side of History.
I think the big thing is that there's nothing in their hometowns and that's where their opposition to their parents comes from. They can't really start a life in their hometown, therefore they have to move to a major city with little social support and either become indoctrinated or nihilistic. They're forced to give up a lot, so they're strong believers as the alternative is more depressing.
 
I honestly find the majority of "actual literature" (i.e. modern literary fiction) is pretentious and boring these days but otherwise you're spot on in your assessment. Being a history geek myself, I always found the idea of a single one-world government to be ridiculous even for sci-fi works

Keep in mind a lot of the "low quality genre fiction" depicting manned space missions to Jupiter and a Super-UN government were written in the 1950's and 1960's during the Space Race and it was a time where a lot of people in general were impressed by the rapidly advancing technology and the post-WWII economic boom. There was this naïve sense of optimism and "Science as magic" vibe in a lot of the wider culture and it was amplified in science fiction at the time.

Futurama may have been a low brow TV comedy but it was also originally meant to take the piss out of the sci-fi fiction of that era (seeing as Matt Groening was a dorky kid who grew up during the 50's and 60's, that makes sense) since the show premiered close to the Turn of the Millennium.

I always kind of liked how it included a lot of the sci-fi tropes and mocked them with the Earth government being incompetent and corrupt and the sheer ridiculousness of a world where a lot of sci-fi tropes happened (global warming ended up getting cancelled out by nuclear winter, the Moon as a kitschy tourist attraction, etc.) and how society's still absurd in the 31st Century as opposed to some enlightened utopia

Some literary fiction is pretentious and boring, especially anything overlapping with feminism, but it's certainly better than basing your life on cartoons like some people seem to here.

The real world political situation of the UN in the 1950s and 1960s was an odd one. Which China was represented on the security council was an argument for decades, and since the ROC stayed on after being driven off the mainland the USSR boycotted in protest. This then meant the UN could send an intervention force to Korea without being vetoed by the USSR. After this the ROC stayed on the security council until Nixon reconciled with the PRC and switched their position in 1971.

None of this suggested that a world government was on the way, and the sci fi of the time would have been more interesting if it had reflected that.

Even today a lot of people don't seem to understand how the security council works. The 5 major powers on it (USA, Russia, PRC, UK, France) have to agree on resolutions, or one of them can veto. The UN can't authorise force against security council members unless they voted to sanction themselves.
 
Politics and popular culture are closely intertwined, they influence each other. The time of Trump has been a time for massive cultural upheaval in many other areas, which shows how threatening one random orange dude is to the ruling class that wants to dictate whether we are peaceful and prosperous. It's not just politics either, it's all part of the greater backlash towards Woke Shit, which took root a little before the Obama presidency. (A lot of this stuff that we see today actually started appearing online around 2006 iirc.) And any kind of threat to cultural paradigms results in feuds.
Hearing this...This makes sense now
Reminder, this show lasted from 2004-2007
 
IMO 2016 onwards looks bad compared to the before times because it's been the time of the Great Unmasking. For example I remember W being respected by conservatives simply because he was attacked by the Dems, now he's been exposed as a shill for greater powers and anti anything that might actually benefit Americans.

In hindsight 2016 is indeed when things truly went sideways, while there was plenty of early rumblings of our current situation in 2014 and 2015, including Trump announcing his candidacy in 2015, nobody took him seriously and it was only when he got the nomination was it really, truly "on", the election of 2016 is when woke absolutely exploded and fully declared war on American society.

As imperfect and already woke as 2014 and 2015 were I still look back at 2015 as marking the end of the "good old days" because though things were already getting tense in 2015, I saw the evolution online firsthand in 2016 when things really started to get ugly between people over politics.
 
I don't miss the 2000s themselves but I do miss the fact that social media was too young to be anywhere near as pozzed and coopted for political faggotry as it's been since the mid 2010s or thereabouts.
 
The 2000's wasn't even an exceptional time for the internet. The 90's and 80's hosted fucking insanely powerful hacking groups the likes of which only exist in the walls of government agency buildings nowadays. One went to congress just to say they fuck up the whole internet if they wanted to do so. Others got into the NSA and the actual telephone infrastructure. The only reason they didn't cripple it is because they chose not to. If you wanted to go to the wildest, most entertaining period the internet has ever had, it would be that time you ought to go to. Most people don't remember it because it was so long ago, but by the turn of the millenium companies got their shit together (well not very effectively but it was a change) and you couldn't just have some twenty year olds fuck your entire system up because nobody knew what the hell computers were or how they ran. There was no security at all, i know companies nowadays are pretty shit with defending their information and being secure but back then it was ridiculous.
 
Recently some guys in a car asked me if I knew where a certain street was.

Only later did I realize that while such may have been normal in the 00s, it's not so normal in Current Year - when everyone and their dog has a smartphone with the ability to look up locations.

I really am technologically still back in the 00s...
 
I miss two things about the 2000s:
  • Edgy culture a la Avril Lavigne, Green Day, Linkin Park, Shadow the Hedgehog, emos, shonen anime especially Beyblade
  • The internet being extremely diverse and creative and generally free from normalfags shitting up the place
 
Random things that popped into my head today:
  • I haven't heard the word "pimp" used to describe something as stylish in any way since the 00s, and it'd probably come off really awkward now that we're in a time when human trafficking is actually taken seriously
  • Saying "holla atcha boi" probably makes you sound old now
 
As imperfect and already woke as 2014 and 2015 were I still look back at 2015 as marking the end of the "good old days" because though things were already getting tense in 2015, I saw the evolution online firsthand in 2016 when things really started to get ugly between people over politics.
2016 was the last time Twitter and Reddit were open platforms, and MDE could get on the air.

Now "algorithms" have taken over the internet and the only reasonable places for discussion are boards like KF.
 
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