Do women actually think differently

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How the hell should I know? The only frame of reference I have for interpreting the world is myself, and I therefore can't know how any woman (or even any other man) sees, thinks, or feels. Frankly, I'd be wary of anyone who claims to have an answer to this question.
 
How the hell should I know? The only frame of reference I have for interpreting the world is myself, and I therefore can't know how any woman (or even any other man) sees, thinks, or feels. Frankly, I'd be wary of anyone who claims to have an answer to this question.

Plus, how can anyone describe their own perceptions? So much of it is automatic under the hood, I think we'll need to wait for the modeling to improve in order to understand any person's processing deeply.

The closest thing I can think of right now would be something like the MBTI (which is kinda bogus) because it explains how someone prioritizes and how they gather information.
According to those tests, we could say that women are more likely to be ENFJ than men, less likely to be INTP, something like that. This could take into account population differences while still factoring in the idea that there are both sexes in every type (16 types total for MBTI).
 
It's not that women can't code. It's not that women can't math. Think deep thoughts. Or even fight in war.

It's that doing any of it burns them out. Their bodies, their minds. The act of doing anything worth doing at a constant pace melts them like a hot knife through butter. Their entire existence as part of our species is not conducive to them having sustained interaction with anything, much less themselves. "Haha, raising babies--" Fuck off. My infant can be a right pain in the ass sometimes. But she's never a constant pain in the ass. You figure out the problem and she's happy. She's an infant, there are only 7 possible problems: hungry, dirty diaper, pulling own hair, has to fart but doesn't know how, sick, someone dropped something on her (my wife and her phone...), she's overstimulated. Even if you randomly pick one at a time, you're done in a couple minutes depending on the problem. My wife can't get through a 10-minute feeding without getting bored while I'm figuring out optimal feeding angles to prevent prolonged burping sessions.

I can sit here and code or write for ten hours without blinking. Similarly, I go out with my buds and we sit up in trees for a similar amount of time hunting for deer. Just sitting. Waiting. Staring. My wife, nor any woman I've ever met, could go fifteen minutes without needing a break. Just to spice the mood. Every single woman I've ever known has gotten bored of being bored at some point. They get bored and instead of doing something about it, sit there until they get bored of being bored. It's not a competency thing. It's not a laziness thing. It's a basic principle of their biology. They are waiting to be told what to do. Until finally their adult brain kicks in and does the telling for them. If you're banking your project, product, or government on women having to tell themselves what to do, you're fucked.
 
There doesn't really seem to be that big of a difference to me. Then again almost all of my experience is with lower class types. It seems like when I have to deal with people who have money then suddenly women mutate into this deranged queen bee stereotype that will talk down to you constanly and always seems to be relentlessly competing with everyone around them. Rich dudes just turn into sociopaths who are unphased by anything, at least from what I've observed.

I'm inclined to dismiss it as a class thing since I've had no problem working with and conversing with women who make my income bracket or directly manage my department, but suddenly when you bump it up a few brackets I can barely stand to be in the same room as them. Maybe money just brings out the worst in people.
 
Men and women are different. That's why professionally I've always preferred to work with men, because when they play social games it's a lot more direct and much simpler. Eight and a half times out of ten they'll stab you in the front, and sometimes they'll even tell you why they did it. Women's social games are complex, labyrinthine, and dark as hell. They'll pretend to be your best friend while waiting for the perfect moment to hoist you up, tie you to a hook, and flay you alive slowly and publicly for reasons that ultimately boil down to you telling them that their mascara was a little smudged three years ago next Tuesday. Women are fucking vicious to each other, in a way that most men can't wrap their heads around.

So already that's one major difference between men and women, and that's the literal autist telling you this.

PS. I've rescued a lot of people from spiders in my life and by sex it works out 50:50, so there goes that cliche.
 
Men and women are incredibly different. Our thought processes, our physical traits (obviously), our ability to confront real-world problems, etc. A man will never know what it's like to face the problems a woman has, and vice-versa. But that's not a bad thing. Understanding and recognizing that we are so different is what makes us more kind to one another. Our differences can enlighten us (unless you actively choose to be an obstinate asshole).

A man can't know what menstruations and birth is like, or the differences in which a woman parents compared to himself. He can cook and clean all he wants, but that won't change the fact that he doesn't have a motherly bone in his body. Having said that, he can still be a loving and caring parent, just not in the way a woman can. Same goes for a woman - she cannot teach her sons to be real men because she is not one herself and has no experience facing the problems men have.

From personal experience, being female can be very difficult. But I have made choices and have done what it takes to protect myself. The world is a cruel place, but each of us can make it better by trying to understand one another, however different we may be.
 
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Men and women are socialized different. Obviously a guy being told to play in the mud, get rowdy, and that he "can't cry" is going to have one hell of a different experience growing up than a girl told to sit "ladylike", told to not go out at night and watch her drinks, and to play with dolls not trucks.

The question isn't "do men and women process things differently" - of course they do - the question then becomes why. Would a little boy and little girl growing up completely isolated from society and culture (think a locked room or the wilderness or something) still process things differently? Can we separate socialization from the person? Does it vary between cultures?

It's part nature and part nurture. People don't like thinking about the nurture part because it means that, on some level, how they perceive others isn't entirely an intrinsic fault to them, it is something they were groomed into behaving like.
 
I know the question is about the actual thought processes of men and women, but troons will never know what it was like growing up into a woman (or at least the physicality of it, which has its own societal issues to boot). They may think it's "not enough", but they'll never know the feeling of what it was like to be a growing girl who tries to put on makeup like the other girls in attempt to fit in only to be uncomfortable with it and feel like a failure of a female for not being able to do something as simple as wear makeup just because she doesn't like it. The other girls might not've cared and may have said so, but she still knows their sly judgmental stares and mocking smirks at the futile attempt to be part of the "in" crowd imitating fashion supermodels. The tomboys who were apathetic to what the other girls thought of them in that way can't keep that up as they get older because that same insecurity will manifest itself in other ways like a questioning sexuality ('cause apparently masculine women can't ever be straight; mind you, the thought process behind a straight effeminate man questioning his sexuality is still considered different), and a narrower career field that's going to be dominated by men anyway.

Girls can be losers, too, and it cuts deep into the psyche that will last for years. Whether caused by hormones or societal pressure (or both), there's a reason girls are more susceptible to low self-esteem and mental illnesses like chronic depression (which can also lead to autoimmune disorders early), and delve into self-destructive behaviors to try to hide that insecurity in attempt to validate their femininity they should and do have but don't believe in. Femininity is not something as simple as putting on a dress, because if that was true, no girl would ever feel left out of the loop by sucking it up and putting one on for the day.

Femininity is also not a fragile concept just because women have the tendency to break down at the drop of a hat just because it was a bad day, but it's unfortunately come off that way because society babies women too much. Same can be said for masculinity (not the babying part), but the fuck would a girl know about what that's like? Observational skills doesn't make one an expert on the opposite sex, because even when attempting to better understand the other, some things will still fly over your head, as it should. I'm surrounded by boys practically 24/7 and have more guy friends than girl friends, and yet I still don't understand them. I try to, but then I just end up with more questions I honestly am better off not knowing the answers to yet learn the TMI anyway due to the bluntness of their nature.
 
As a male programmer who has worked with women in school and (tried to) at an actual job... women cannot code. I do not know why. Most of them were very intelligent and put together, but for whatever reason they just could not bring themselves to turn chains of logic into text on the screen. I've known probably 2 female coders from my computer science classes that were actually competent, and the rest ended up being pretty faces on diversity hire pamphlets.

I'm not even sure it's that they CAN'T do it, but for whatever reason, they just rapidly give up. No, nobody was sexist to them or gave them a hard time. They got along just fine with all the male students. Despite literally being paid to take these classes from scholarships, they just consistently fell behind in everything once it got to a certain level.

Maybe it's an intellectual curiosity thing. Maybe women are just more content with what they already know.

I think that the missing ingredient is autism.
 
Femininity is also not a fragile concept just because women have the tendency to break down at the drop of a hat just because it was a bad day,
Hormones.
Female puberty is no joke, every argument is a hill you are ready to die on and you feel very intense emotions about things.
My thesis is that transwomen get hysterical when they enter into female puberty with estrogen, imagine having to go through puberty again as an adult! I'd rather die.
Beginning of female puberty makes girls scream-cry about things, after having embarrassed yourself enough times you usually learn to cope before it happens again (unless you have some sort of diagnosis).

Meanwhile we don't hear too much from transmen, they're just chilling and eating pussy all day.
 
Yes. The best way to illustrate this is in pets, women are worse than children in wanting to be dog or cat moms but at the same time their interest is shallow. They'll get a dog they don't have time for, feed it fast food because it begs, won't exercise it enough, won't socialize it enough, and on top of that they live in an apartment where the dog can't do much for itself. They'll also put down their pets for stupid reasons at a much higher rate than men.

Many women are a lot like Chris Chan in terms of desire driving their every action actually because society is their enablers and they never face consequences.
 
Men and women are socialized different. Obviously a guy being told to play in the mud, get rowdy, and that he "can't cry" is going to have one hell of a different experience growing up than a girl told to sit "ladylike", told to not go out at night and watch her drinks, and to play with dolls not trucks.

The question isn't "do men and women process things differently" - of course they do - the question then becomes why. Would a little boy and little girl growing up completely isolated from society and culture (think a locked room or the wilderness or something) still process things differently? Can we separate socialization from the person? Does it vary between cultures?

It's part nature and part nurture. People don't like thinking about the nurture part because it means that, on some level, how they perceive others isn't entirely an intrinsic fault to them, it is something they were groomed into behaving like.
It requires only casual observation of families/schools that raise kids gender neutral to discover that socialisation has a far smaller and possibly almost negligible effect.


It's not that women can't code. It's not that women can't math. Think deep thoughts. Or even fight in war.

It's that doing any of it burns them out. Their bodies, their minds. The act of doing anything worth doing at a constant pace melts them like a hot knife through butter. Their entire existence as part of our species is not conducive to them having sustained interaction with anything, much less themselves. "Haha, raising babies--" Fuck off. My infant can be a right pain in the ass sometimes. But she's never a constant pain in the ass. You figure out the problem and she's happy. She's an infant, there are only 7 possible problems: hungry, dirty diaper, pulling own hair, has to fart but doesn't know how, sick, someone dropped something on her (my wife and her phone...), she's overstimulated. Even if you randomly pick one at a time, you're done in a couple minutes depending on the problem. My wife can't get through a 10-minute feeding without getting bored while I'm figuring out optimal feeding angles to prevent prolonged burping sessions.

I can sit here and code or write for ten hours without blinking. Similarly, I go out with my buds and we sit up in trees for a similar amount of time hunting for deer. Just sitting. Waiting. Staring. My wife, nor any woman I've ever met, could go fifteen minutes without needing a break. Just to spice the mood. Every single woman I've ever known has gotten bored of being bored at some point. They get bored and instead of doing something about it, sit there until they get bored of being bored. It's not a competency thing. It's not a laziness thing. It's a basic principle of their biology. They are waiting to be told what to do. Until finally their adult brain kicks in and does the telling for them. If you're banking your project, product, or government on women having to tell themselves what to do, you're fucked.

Yes, the percentage of female programmers is lowest in countries like sweden, and highest in countries like India. Women will code to get out of poverty, but not do so in a country where there are some vocational options and it doesn't offer security.

The interest is an important distinction. They've done studies with newborns where they boys and girls already respond differently to both people and toys. This same difference is observed in young male and female chimps.

Besides interest there is also a difference in ability.

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Now both men and women can seem to surpass their inclinations when sufficiently intelligent and driven, but I'll leave that out of it. The fact that one needs extra effort and reasoning to get there shows that there are differences in the base qualities one starts with.

As for do men and women think differently, fucking of course. Under what rock does one live to think otherwise?

The best way to examine the differences is the brains. Men have larger brains than women, more grey matter and women have more white matter.

It is a bit of an oversimplification and we don't even know all the rammifications of this, but in short it means that men are better at the deep type of thinking including thinking of new solutions and ideas, whereas women are better at getting quickly to the right prestored knowledge and selecting the best solution that is already known. This is what makes women so much better at dealing with social situations, they know much quicker when someone is being a retard in someway about something.

They process the information of how someone is presenting quicker and have a quicker grasp of how reliable the person presenting what they're saying is. This means they're better at quickly judging who is lying/being weird.

However when someone is a really good liar, like quality politicians (good at being politician, not good at being virtuous or honest), women get deceived much more easily because they depend on the cue's the person themselves give that they're lying. They have a much shallower refference to judging whether what the person is saying or promising is reasonable.

Women test people, men test ideas is another way to look at that.

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Another way to easily tell is to look at survival shows like bear grylls or survival island shows. Women are absolutely laughably bad at surviving every time it's been tested.

Yet look at something like the dutch show "who is the mole?" and women typically thrive, while only about one men in a dozen seems to thrive. What is going on there?

Well women are bad at dealing with practical reality itself, and that is all you have in a survival situation. But they are virtuoso's in getting ahead in a social situation, even competitive social situation like a "who is the mole" competitive work environment where people try to deceive others all the time.

Here's what these survival shows never tested: individual thriving in mixed environments. You have mixed survival situations, meaning enough men to make sure survival happens, then the women are typically in a pretty good spot at doing well for themselves even if they're fairly useless for the survival.

That really is the divine comedy of this feminist age, that a highly privileged group, that you can't criticize is wholly dependant on the socalled opressors and it mostly works because we're a very pro-women species so men don't typically air the truth in regards to this. It typically requires more than tenure to get away with that.

Internet anonymity does the job pretty well, but how long will we have that?
 
Men and women are different. That's why professionally I've always preferred to work with men, because when they play social games it's a lot more direct and much simpler. Eight and a half times out of ten they'll stab you in the front, and sometimes they'll even tell you why they did it. Women's social games are complex, labyrinthine, and dark as hell. They'll pretend to be your best friend while waiting for the perfect moment to hoist you up, tie you to a hook, and flay you alive slowly and publicly for reasons that ultimately boil down to you telling them that their mascara was a little smudged three years ago next Tuesday. Women are fucking vicious to each other, in a way that most men can't wrap their heads around.

So already that's one major difference between men and women, and that's the literal autist telling you this.

PS. I've rescued a lot of people from spiders in my life and by sex it works out 50:50, so there goes that cliche.
Idunno man I've seen guys do the same exact 5d backstabber bullshit.

Personally I think both are the same to an extent but socially conditioned apart, though not exactly in the way gender studies fuckers think with the "OH CAPITALISTIC SOCIAL CONDITIONING BOYS/GIRLS TOYS PINK BLUE COLOR BINARy" type shit.

I remember when I was a really small kid The kids got along well but then out of fucking nowhere, partially encouraged by the teachers, the girls kinda became total bitches to the boys. like evil little shitbrain kids. Goblinbrained children splintered off into factions in a weird hybridized mix of peer pressure and some other things and that kinda fucked me up for a while as a kid I think because I eventually starting getting strange delusions about certain really mundane shit like nail polish being like mind control fume juice or some dumb shit like that I can't remember everything from those days but it lines up with the kinda shit I'm getting at here. Shit lingered slightly till like middle-school I think? Anyways that shit is not important. What's important here is the fact that there's definitely a societal aspect to the difference between men and women, and it's more than likely partially caused by physical differences.

The existence of tomboys kind of adds to what I'm getting at here on the social aspect thing. Not the self defined ones that most of the time are attention whores or thots half the time but the ones that are like literally just females who don't follow the societal expectations or stereotypes of their supposed "role" and just do whatever the fuck any other human being not obsessed with gendershit does. People have pointed out time and again how that specific part of society is slowly being whittled away at by the ever increasing droning of gender politics bullshit these past several years and it fucking hurts. Not because "want tomboy" meme type shit but because we're kinda losing something with humanity in general. Our society is hyperfocusing on gender stereotypes while claiming to dismantle them by making more people into miserable trannies that do nothing but spout political mantras in the streets and hound anything clickbait journalists deem "problematic". it's a cancer and the sooner we realize how pointless gendershit is again the sooner we can get back to people just being people instead of trying to embody whatever marketable tickbox label exists for asspats online.
 
I’ve never been a man, so I dont know.
I do think men and women are different, and I don’t see why every other bit of our bodies are different and not our brains. I suspect it’s hard to tell because so much of the brain is to do with behaviour and behaviour interacts constantly with the environment and the feedbacks we get. So there is going to be an effect of how you’re brought up. Most of these traits are also genuinely a spectrum as well, so it’s not possible to say ‘all women are more X than men’ I do think women are different though. Almost everyone I know who is anxious is a woman - and I suspect that’s millions of years of selection to keep an eye out for threats to offspring as the physically weaker sex.
Trannies though are just aping what they think women are. When I see them clamouring you take on traditional low paid ‘women’s work’ like being a cleaner or a carer I’ll take them seriously. Otherwise it’s just their fetish of what they think women are, which is often disturbingly off
 
It's not that women can't code. It's not that women can't math. Think deep thoughts. Or even fight in war.

It's that doing any of it burns them out. Their bodies, their minds. The act of doing anything worth doing at a constant pace melts them like a hot knife through butter. Their entire existence as part of our species is not conducive to them having sustained interaction with anything, much less themselves. "Haha, raising babies--" Fuck off. My infant can be a right pain in the ass sometimes. But she's never a constant pain in the ass. You figure out the problem and she's happy. She's an infant, there are only 7 possible problems: hungry, dirty diaper, pulling own hair, has to fart but doesn't know how, sick, someone dropped something on her (my wife and her phone...), she's overstimulated. Even if you randomly pick one at a time, you're done in a couple minutes depending on the problem. My wife can't get through a 10-minute feeding without getting bored while I'm figuring out optimal feeding angles to prevent prolonged burping sessions.

I can sit here and code or write for ten hours without blinking. Similarly, I go out with my buds and we sit up in trees for a similar amount of time hunting for deer. Just sitting. Waiting. Staring.

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Wasn't their a study that shown women see more colour than men?

But it is something I have observed, women could name a variety of different colours whereas boys it's a simple, blue, dark blue and light blue.
So one way they might be different is that men overly simplify, women add complexities.
 
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