Do women actually think differently

[awoo]

(moved from Q&A) Repost from the TERF memes thread. I agree with the men not being able to have women experiences, but do women actually process things differently? Curious to know male and female kiwi perspectives.

Edit: this discussion is not about trannies. it's about males and females

 

[vulg]

yeah they can’t fucking archive

 

[Drkinferno72]

Trannies end up with a caricature of the female mind

 

[LurkNoMore]

Yes. I don't know how anyone sane, i.e. a man, could call those hack jobs an "'oversized belly button". I always think back to one best horror movies of all time when I see those things. (The thing

 

[awoo]

Yes. I don't know how anyone sane, i.e. a man, could call those hack jobs an "'oversized belly button". I always think back to one best horror movies of all time when I see those things. (The thing

It's trying to give the benefit of the doubt since any normal person knows what a surgical wound looks like. Anyway not really relevant

 

[Just Another Apocalypse]

Trannies are irrational and self absorbed... Very um, feminine traits.

 

[Bongocat]

As a male programmer who has worked with women in school and (tried to) at an actual job... women cannot code. I do not know why. Most of them were very intelligent and put together, but for whatever reason they just could not bring themselves to turn chains of logic into text on the screen. I've known probably 2 female coders from my computer science classes that were actually competent, and the rest ended up being pretty faces on diversity hire pamphlets.

I'm not even sure it's that they CAN'T do it, but for whatever reason, they just rapidly give up. No, nobody was sexist to them or gave them a hard time. They got along just fine with all the male students. Despite literally being paid to take these classes from scholarships, they just consistently fell behind in everything once it got to a certain level.

Maybe it's an intellectual curiosity thing. Maybe women are just more content with what they already know.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Yes.

 

[Guest 666]

I generally think people overstate the differences between men and women, but that our physical differences are undeniable. Hence why troons have such an 'ick' factor.

 

[awoo]

As a male programmer who has worked with women in school and (tried to) at an actual job... women cannot code. I do not know why. Most of them were very intelligent and put together, but for whatever reason they just could not bring themselves to turn chains of logic into text on the screen. I've known probably 2 female coders from my computer science classes that were actually competent, and the rest ended up being pretty faces on diversity hire pamphlets.

I'm not even sure it's that they CAN'T do it, but for whatever reason, they just rapidly give up. No, nobody was sexist to them or gave them a hard time. They got along just fine with all the male students. Despite literally being paid to take these classes from scholarships, they just consistently fell behind in everything once it got to a certain level.

Maybe it's an intellectual curiosity thing. Maybe women are just more content with what they already know.

I know quite a few competent female coders but I also participated in a very good CS dept that is not representative of the general population.

It makes me wonder if the male / female brain conception is actually true.

How men's and women's brains are different

The cognitive differences between men and women

stanmed.stanford.edu

 

[Bongocat]

I know quite a few competent female coders but I also participated in a very good CS dept that is not representative of the general population.

Yeah, I'm aware there are exceptions to the rule and those exceptions probably have the ability to get to better schools then man since the administrators from every university are quite literally begging for women to apply.

Out of curiosity, were these women exceptionally autistic? The two good ones I knew were very eccentric.

 

[awoo]

Yeah, I'm aware there are exceptions to the rule and those exceptions probably have the ability to get to better schools then man since the administrators from every university are quite literally begging for women to apply.

Out of curiosity, were these women exceptionally autistic? The two good ones I knew were very eccentric.

Not super autistic but many were weeaboos (into yaoi instead of yuri) or k-pop fans or the kind to spend too much time on the internet. Actually maybe i'm just describing asian girls who were a big chunk of the CS women.

 

[totallyrandomusername]

As far as I know, from the current neuroscience, there is indeed a difference in how information and stimulus are perceived, and processed. As far as the extent, I don't think our current science can provide that level of insight.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

but do women actually process things differently?

Yes. If only because different humans process things differently, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a more solid biological divide between men and women's brains too.

As a male programmer who has worked with women in school and (tried to) at an actual job... women cannot code.

Agreed, but at this point I think it's mostly just that coding takes a very specific type of autistic mind, and for whatever reason there are far more guys than girls with such a mind.

I've tutored at least a fair share of mathematicians, statisticians and physicists (all guys) and they struggled with figuring out how to code. We're talking some of the smartest people, that wrestle with the most disgusting equations and abstract ideas you've ever seen, and write proofs/analyze data/etc for an actual living. It's absolutely surreal to see them struggle with the most basic concepts of programming. Shit like not understanding how variables work. (I remember for one guy I had to literally go grab an empty ice-cream container as a prop, because this guy who was finishing a PhD in differential geometry somehow didn't grok "think of it like a container holding a value, bro" when trying to wrap his head around how x = x + 1 does what it does.)

 

[No Exit]

If men and women didn't think differently, wouldn't how we socialize and tackle problems be the same? Even with all women today being encouraged to act and do like men they still act like women, and vise versa. I know there are social pressures and whatnot but I doubt the sexes would be so socially divided worldwide just because of physical differences (short men are still treated as men and tall women as women etc.).

 

[Bongocat]

Agreed, but at this point I think it's mostly just that coding takes a very specific type of autistic mind, and for whatever reason there are far more guys than girls with such a mind.

I've tutored at least a fair share of mathematicians, statisticians and physicists (all guys) and they struggled with figuring out how to code. We're talking some of the smartest people, that wrestle with the most disgusting equations and abstract ideas you've ever seen, and write proofs/analyze data/etc for an actual living. It's absolutely surreal to see them struggle with the most basic concepts of programming. Shit like not understanding how variables work. (I remember for one guy I had to literally go grab an empty ice-cream container as a prop, because this guy who was finishing a PhD in differential geometry somehow didn't grok "think of it like a container holding a value, bro" when trying to wrap his head around how x = x + 1 does what it does.)

This is true, though it still doesn't break my general statement. As far as the PhD guys go, I want to say that's probably more to do with being something like a savant in one area and then retarded in others. The geometry guy sounds like an extreme case, but I had similar experiences when I worked as a tutor for a few years.

In an effort to understand my own strengths and weaknesses, I have spent a considerable amount of time on introspection of how I process things. I can walk you through the cause and effect recognition most of the time, but as far as the "big picture" of how a user experience turns into a case-handling series of ascii statements, that is a complete black box to me. I could not even venture a guess as to how I think about that, nor suggest how someone else would try to think about it.

 

[Dysnomia]

I generally think people overstate the differences between men and women, but that our physical differences are undeniable. Hence why troons have such an 'ick' factor.

A man is a dress is a man in a dress. Nothing short of the ability to put your brain into a female body is gonna change that.

I feel they definitely think differently too. Not being socialized as a girl is a huge factor. Parents who troon out their kids early push them into stereotypes before they are old enough to think for themselves. So I feel like we never get to see their real personalities. They weren't allowed to have them. It will be interesting to see what these trans kids think and act like as more of them grow up. Provided they don't 41%.

But even when they are puberty blocked and butchered early there have got to be noticeable differences in thinking that do exist.

I don't think men and women's thinking differences are a bottomless chasm. I think it's something that has it's limit. But differences are there and can't be covered up or altered just by putting on on a wig and calling yourself Mary.

A lot of older media about women written by men is based on stereotypes meant to be entertaining and relatable. It's based on men not understanding simple things about women and then joking about it or building a drama around it. I don't think it's malicious unless the author hates women for some reason.

But if you look at some of these things as unrealistic it paints a picture of how men and women perceive each other.

I've never actually seen a woman scream at the sight of a mouse. I have seen several men do it though. My uncle once barricaded himself in the living room to avoid a mouse. It was hilarious. He admits he was scared of them.

I am a woman and personally don't care for romance stories. I find them boring. Titanic made me want to burn medieval tapestries.

I think there's a lot of personality and environmental differences you have to account for.

But if you look at how so many male troons push themselves into women's spaces and try to tell them what to do it's a little too much like normal men doing the same thing. They aren't being Karens. They are being men pushing themselves on women and their spaces while asserting that they are in fact real women and so are their penises.

I'm starting to think that men with very negative personality traits towards women are more likely to troon out.

Yeah, I'm aware there are exceptions to the rule and those exceptions probably have the ability to get to better schools then man since the administrators from every university are quite literally begging for women to apply.

Out of curiosity, were these women exceptionally autistic? The two good ones I knew were very eccentric.

It's something I thought I'd be good at if I had thought of even trying it.

I do think women and men are predisposed in a way towards certain careers.

When you think back to when women's careers were pretty much limited to wife, mother, seamstress, nurse, nanny, maid or school marm, those were all socially acceptable as women's tasks. If you were Catholic becoming a nun was a great way to get an education, and in medieval times, learn to read and write and not be married off to some creepy old man your parents chose because his pig farm was doing so well.

But many women are still choosing careers like that despite having opportunities to do anything. We can add modern twists to some of those. Things like owning a salon or selling makeup and jewelry or any care giving profession. Perhaps there really is a biological predisposition.

Don't a lot of troons want to code?

 

[Fomo Hoire]

yeah they can’t fucking archive

It's not that they can't archive, it's that they can't understand archives. They don't realize that inspect element is easier than photoshopped selfies and they blindly trust mere screenshots.

I'm not even sure it's that they CAN'T do it, but for whatever reason, they just rapidly give up. No, nobody was sexist to them or gave them a hard time. They got along just fine with all the male students. Despite literally being paid to take these classes from scholarships, they just consistently fell behind in everything once it got to a certain level.

I don't know when you went through that or how long you tried to stick with it, but I will say that I've noticed that I noticed the percentage of women around me changed drastically as time went on, usually in an upwards trajectory.

I always thought it was funny how women were being driven out of STEM, yet the further I went the more women there were. Maybe the explanation is that men are more strictly filtered for competence than women are.

This isn't to say that the women don't belong there - I hear autistic women socialize like normal men, I assume this translates into them being naturally better at tard wrangling project management/cross-team-communications/whatever, even if they aren't the best code monkeys. I don't think we need enough of those roles to support parity however.

 

[Bongocat]

But if you look at how so many male troons push themselves into women's spaces and try to tell them what to do it's a little too much like normal men doing the same thing. They aren't being Karens. They are being men pushing themselves on women and their spaces while asserting that they are in fact real women and so are their penises.

I'm willing to accept there MIGHT be a very, very small number of men who have a woman's brain trapped in a male body. However, I think the vast majority of troons are essentially fetishists, predators or grifters riding what's in vogue to get an edge over everybody else. I've had to deal with some trannies at work and they have pulled some very disturbing shit with me either trying to hit on me or literally having fucking porn on their screen during video conferencing.

This was cross-company however, so it would not be a reoccurring thing. Plus, I knew that nothing would come of me complaining, and doing so would probably land me in hot water because we live in fucking Bizarro World.

It's something I thought I'd be good at if I had thought of even trying it.

I do think women and men are predisposed in a way towards certain careers.

When you think back to when women's careers were pretty much limited to wife, mother, seamstress, nurse, nanny, maid or school marm, those were all socially acceptable as women's tasks. If you were Catholic becoming a nun was a great way to get an education, and in medieval times, learn to read and write and not be married off to some creepy old man your parents chose because his pig farm was doing so well.

But many women are still choosing careers like that despite having opportunities to do anything. We can add modern twists to some of those. Things like owning a salon or selling makeup and jewelry or any care giving profession. Perhaps there really is a biological predisposition.

It's been common knowledge for eons that women like to work with people and men like to work with things. There's nothing particularly wrong with that, because we need both.

As far as interests go, women are being given far more opportunities than men (including financially) for preferential treatment in college and they still just won't take up the offer.

Don't a lot of troons want to code?

Yes, which is just another little mound on the pile that most of this shit just isn't even real. Tech employers also LOVE them because they count as female hires, but they still have the brain of an autistic man.

yet the further I went the more women there were. Maybe the explanation is that men are more strictly filtered for competence than women are.

That's probably part of it, but I can definitely see women making for good project managers. Like I said, the ones in my courses weren't dumb, they were just missing some little black box that turned ideas into obsessively detail oriented programs.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Yes it's why I'm attracted to them.