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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votos: 435 27.4%
  • Hunchback 2

    Votos: 58 3.7%
  • A slow death

    Votos: 1,092 68.9%

  • Total de votantes
    1,585
It's been years since I watched it but this was so stupid it still bothers me.
I mean, it's Wonderland. Everyone living there is literally insane. Perhaps the Queen of Hearts was delusional enough to think the crown was going to fit her regardless and the Hatter thought it was just one big joke?

How should that scene have gone in proper "we're all mad here" terms, you reckon?
 
Oh my God I forgot how stupid that movie was.
I’m also now remembering the “real world sections”. The conflict behind that is that Alice has been a ship captain out at sea for like a year, returns home to learn that her family’s benefactor died and now her mother’s house is getting repossessed if she doesn’t sell her vessel (iirc if we’re going by time period, the ship is miles more valuable than the estate. Correct me if I’m wrong). There’s a whole thing about how “Oh it’s improper for a lady to be a ship captain!” Blah blah blah, Alice gets sent to an asylum that she quickly escapes from to pad the runtime and give her more girlboss moments, at one point the world ends but bullshit happens to reverse it, yeah you’re right. It was pretty stupid.
 
I mean, it's Wonderland. Everyone living there is literally insane. Perhaps the Queen of Hearts was delusional enough to think the crown was going to fit her regardless and the Hatter thought it was just one big joke?

How should that scene have gone in proper "we're all mad here" terms, you reckon?

That would be fine if they played it that way, but it's not played as everyone being goofy, it's played very straight. The dad is presented as a normal guy who makes hats and was hired to make this hat and he admonishes his kid for not taking it seriously enough. The red queen starts screaming and her father decides to take her title from her because of it and give it to her sister that's being calm instead.
 
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but it's so blackpilling to see people mass-consume shit that's objectively worse than the original property in terms of actual artistic merit. I guess they're just "normie autistic" in the sense that they're hyper-fixated on live action (or "live action") being a more prestigious medium than traditional animation for no real reason? Incredibly obnoxious.
No, normies tend to watch these movies once out curiosity but that's enough for decent box office.

Normies want to see what they charged, how the scenes they kept look in live action or photo realistic style and just re-experience a movie they have seen many times in a new way. That's interesting once in while. Seeing amovie once not a big investment time or money vice even on a big screen so even if it's mediocre it can easily still be worth it.

Just to be clear I'm not saying it's a good thing but remakes getting butts in seats doesn't mean normies have no taste or appreciation for higher quality. Look around and see what movie merchandise is around and sells. I recently saw a new Disney make up collection about the Little Mermaid and Ariel is back being cartoon and white. Same for anything else that isn't Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. That has had staying power and pops up t-shirts and whatever like the 50's one but everything else is done as far as public interest is concerned.
 
Is there something where younger people today won't watch traditional animation? I don't know specifically, but younger relatives of mine seem to just reject instantly anything that appears "old media."

I could imagine parents trying to get their kids to watch Aladdin and them just not being interested because it's "hand drawn." Yet getting them to see a CGI live action remake of Disney films won't get that reaction.
my niece has never been picky about mediums for animation, she's fine with old Toei Sailor Moon, G1 Transformers, modern JoJo, Fist of the North Star tv, rankin/bass stop motion, ancient Fleischer stuff, modern flash-ish 2d stuff like that baby chick and the rabbit thing from China, most of the modern-ish Transformers
iirc she's doing some little hand-drawn stuff on youtube I think
 
Is there something where younger people today won't watch traditional animation? I don't know specifically, but younger relatives of mine seem to just reject instantly anything that appears "old media."

I could imagine parents trying to get their kids to watch Aladdin and them just not being interested because it's "hand drawn." Yet getting them to see a CGI live action remake of Disney films won't get that reaction.
No

Younger people are increasingly enjoying animation more given recent articles, and much of that is anime which isn’t CGI. Hell, there are very dedicated YT and TikTok channels for farming views off old cartoons particularly the 90s and 00s such as the DCAU, Avatar, Ben 10, up to like Adventure Time. 2D isn’t dead by any sense nor is even older 2D - even Scooby Doo, Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry continue to remain relevant.

Hollywood is just fucking dog shit and has completely given up trying to appeal to younger demos. Too many Baby Boomer CEOs who won’t leave and think of animation as nothing but kid stuff, at best a stepping stone to real adult CGI live action films. I would say Gen X and above are why this mentality persists, but since they are the main demo of Hollywood, it just keeps going. Too many Xers who grew up on Lucas Films, consistently pushing for a future where their X-Men comics are real since Star Wars blew them away as kids. They lived through a time of watching incredible technological progress and won’t go back as who wants cartoons when the MCU can give you the real deal?

Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland is a guilty pleasure of mine. Probably was a sign of things to come especially when it came to how female protagonists were to be written, but I didn't think it was terribly done.
Tim is really good at aesthetics, it is the major positive one can give his Alice, and was really the only reason he was chosen.

The main issue was that Tim didn’t care for Alice no matter how much fans wanted his take. He basically created his own narrative because he didn’t give a shit and had no real feelings towards the original tale. If one really wanted a “Burton” Alice, they would be far better off with the American McGee titles than actual Burton, those do a much better job making the narrative darker and linking concepts like mental health to the original tale. I also think their aesthetic was superior, but I digress….

And a lot of the films that I didn't mention also don't feature the type of character they're complaining about, but they star children or at least don't have a love interest to begin with.
Felix/Calhoun really should have been on your list. He’s like the poster child of the Disney puppy-dog boyfriend.
 
So here's something interesting.
It seems more people aren't exactly happy with Mabel's actions in the film Hoopers.
In fact, some may go so far as to call her the true villain of the movie.

 

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So here's something interesting.
It seems more people aren't exactly happy with Mabel's actions in the film Hoopers.
In fact, some may go so far as to call her the true villain of the movie.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=R05nub6b0E8
Well according to the Wikipedia summary she did murder the Insect Queen and very nearly got all the humans murdered so i can see it
 
I took part in Tuesday's pin drop again, the line was still bad but it was more manageable this time. I got my two Keyblade pins (this month's was the Olympia Keyblade) and a couple of pins commemorating Atlantis: The Lost Empire's 25th anniversary. A friend of mine also managed to pull off one of the more difficult trick in the Pin trader's/scalper's book and managed to get four Keyblade pins instead of just sticking with the usual two. I suspect he'll probably either give them to me as a birthday gift or he'll sell them to me at cost later in the year.

Oh, and Disney Parks is making changes for WDW's Tuesday Pin drops and DLR's Park Hopper rules. WDW is now effectively banning overnight queuing by opening their parking garage and distributing wristbands at Lime Garage. In Disneyland's case they're ditching the 11 AM Park Hopper rule and allowing guests with Park Hopper tickets and Magic Keys to visit the opposite park as soon as they enter their reserved park.
 
The only thing I remember about Animal Kingdom from a family Disney vacation back when I was in middle school was this massive fucking monsoon level rainstorm hitting. Ended up having to flee the park. My brother almost got swept away because he was still a pretty little guy back then. Had to take refuge in a gift shop where they conveniently had ponchos ready.
 
no.
half-assed Lion Country Safari sucked and the dramatic bullshit didn't help
Dinosaur was nice enough
did that sweltering stinkhole have other rides?

There's Expedition Everest which people are quick to say is still great with its only animatronic broken. People like Flight of Passage, I never got around to waiting in the line for it. And Navi River Journey which gets long lines for lack of other options. Kali River Rapids which I never went on.

Dinosaur was nice enough

I consider that one great. Part of an awesome time in Disney history when they wanted to frighten you and had two attractions (Alien Encounter) that were just "shit! That terrifying animatronic is gonna eat you!".

Then you could go and have giant black widow spiders dropped on you at It's Tough to Be a Bug!
 
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