Dexter Franchise - Tonight's the night

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frozen_runner dijo:
Yeah, but why set up all that stuff with Harrison being fatherly towards Elsa's kid? Why waste the time to show him him spending so much time with her? (Speaking of, she certainly used to put out. She doesn't even know who the boy's father is 🤢)

Unless they're going to bring Gigi and Elsa back next season, I don't see why they showed all of that. To characterize Harrison, sure, but that's a long way to go only to give him a second girlfriend towards the end.
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They needed a reason for Harrison to be in the hotel after hours, and later a reason to nearly kill someone but also not really. Once those particular story beats were accomplished, it is time to move on. This is why Gigi immediately starts referencing masturbation in their first encounter, we need Harrison distracted with snizz because Dex is going to need his help and that leads to wacky scenes where she answers Harrison's phone and tells Dex that Harrison is eating pussy.

Honestly who knows what they're going to do next season. Modern TV is driven by so many creative variables. I hope a competent writer joins as there is so much material to work with. Anyone who thinks this season is anywhere close to a 9/10 should give their head a proper shake.
 
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The show has done everything it can to ignore the fact her boss was a dwarf so I think they'd legit play it completely serious.
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I know what you're saying, but Prater being a dwarf was a constant calculation in the plot. He was powerful, but that meant socially and financially powerful, not physically powerful. And that's why he had a heavy working for him and doing all his dirty work. That's all underlined thematically by making him a dwarf.

Using a heavy also explains how he was able to get away with it for so long. And even when he finally killed, it was with a gun, because he wouldn't have the ability to do it otherwise.

It just wasn't offensive to me. If they had acted like being a dwarf meant he could still reach the top shelf in the kitchen or something, denying physical reality, that would have been bullshit. But they just let it be a part of his character that, in a way, might have driven him to be ultra-succesful in life and, in fact, overly controlling. That's not "woke."

I'll tell you what bothered me more than that: two pussy-eating scenes. Because God help you if you show a woman going down on a guy. That's submissive and degrading. But as long as the woman is superficially in control and "dominant," it's okay. Childish modern TV bullshit driven by female and fag writers. Yaaaas qween!

At least we got to see Gigi's tits, I guess.

MrGodSlave dijo:
They needed a reason for Harrison to be in the hotel after hours, and later a reason to nearly kill someone but also not really. Once those particular story beats were accomplished, it is time to move on. This is why Gigi immediately starts referencing masturbation in their first encounter, we need Harrison distracted with snizz because Dex is going to need his help and that leads to wacky scenes where she answers Harrison's phone and tells Dex that Harrison is eating pussy.
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Yeah, but if you're a good writer, everything that happens happens for multiple reasons. And what you said is just... surface-level plotting.

Oh well, this season wasn't that impressive. It's what we should expect.
 
frozen_runner dijo:
I know what you're saying, but Prater being a dwarf was a constant calculation in the plot. He was powerful, but that meant socially and financially powerful, not physically powerful. And that's why he had a heavy working for him and doing all his dirty work. That's all underlined thematically by making him a dwarf.

Using a heavy also explains how he was able to get away with it for so long. And even when he finally killed, it was with a gun, because he wouldn't have the ability to do it otherwise.
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I think this is generous. Prater has a heavy because he's a high profile billionaire who needs someone to do dirty work; he would need this even if he was played by the Rock. When he killed he did it with a gun because he's a soft billionaire up against a man with 100+ kills who killed out of panic/desperation. Dinklage's size doesn't work against the character like it would if he were a hands-on type, but Prater could have been Mark Zuckerberg's first big acting role and they wouldn't have had to change a word of the plot.

frozen_runner dijo:
Yeah, but if you're a good writer, everything that happens happens for multiple reasons. And what you said is just... surface-level plotting.
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Bingo.

Since Prater's size and his heavy are the topic of discussion - someone put Batista on that table and it certainly wasn't Prater. I'm not really sure why Charley got all high and mighty about "you killed a cop!" when I have to assume she's the one who set Batista up to be killed by Dexter. She was the last person seen with him by Prater's guards, she put him on the table, he killed Batista with her gun - every time I think about her I realize how much things are stacked against her. She might end up getting the blame for Batista and Prater - which again gives her some incentive to barter with the names she has.
 
frozen_runner dijo:
I know what you're saying, but Prater being a dwarf was a constant calculation in the plot.
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I couldn't disagree more on this point. Aside from the initial smug line "didn't expect me to look like this, huh?", there is no direct reference to Prater being a dwarf. Dexter never mentions it in his internal monologue; the police don't mention it. Charley never mentions it. I read that apparently Dexter only hauls away 3 bags instead of his usual 6 but haven't rewatched to confirm.

It isn't "woke" so much as grovelling at the mini-feet of Dinklage and his agent. This whole season is dripping in a desperate need for vindication. Dougie Houser, Jane from Breaking Bad, Polka dot Man. All names to pay for a couple episodes, slap on the marque advertising "Dexter is BACK!". Same with dredging up Doakes, Trinity, Prado for a few seconds. Imagine how great it would have been if Batista sees Dex and Prater on the street and says "who the fuck is this enano?"

Dinklage is obsessed with being a real actor, not just a midget dwarf that he obviously is. Playing Tyrion gave him the justification to pressure his agent into only going for non-midge roles. He isn't just a midge, after all. He is an actor. The incestuous jew agent/producer dynamic will be studied years from now, but that is the long and short of it.
 
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Normal people in the normal world don't go LMAO YOU FACKIN' MIDGE COME OVAH HERE, and they most especially wouldn't to a billionaire with scary security surrounding him. It's the exact type of situation where no one would mention shit about him being a midget to his face. The same way that if he was a non-midge with a significant facial deformity or birth mark. People irl would go out of their way not to stare and never say shit about it because of how powerful a billionaire is. They might make fun of him on social media or in the press, but in real life that kind of money buys you a 'fuck off don't ever say anything about this ever' shield.

I swear some of you are so autistic you've never interacted with people outside of your mother bringing you chicken tendies.
 
Internet War Criminal dijo:
Normal people in the normal world don't go LMAO YOU FACKIN' MIDGE COME OVAH HERE...
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In real life I have to do it: regardless of time, place, or target; usually followed by a football punt. It's an urge, a compulsion – a need. It's one that prods at me constantly in the chest, demanding to be satisfied, and it does so from about knee-height and with a very long stick.
I've named it my Dark Midgentor.
 
MrGodSlave dijo:
I couldn't disagree more on this point. Aside from the initial smug line "didn't expect me to look like this, huh?", there is no direct reference to Prater being a dwarf. Dexter never mentions it in his internal monologue; the police don't mention it. Charley never mentions it. I read that apparently Dexter only hauls away 3 bags instead of his usual 6 but haven't rewatched to confirm.
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This is common in (((hollywood))) writing. You put characters in a situation that's extremely social embarrassing or awkward. Like you have a 20 year high school reunion and the football captain, who used to fuck the prom queen, comes home with a 6'8" troon. And everyone just acts like this is completely normal and everyone is accepting. Or a movie takes place in the 1600s and everyone is busy race mixing or being a faggot like this was commonplace.
Internet War Criminal dijo:
I swear some of you are so autistic you've never interacted with people outside of your mother bringing you chicken tendies.
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Project more. If some midget said to me "I can do anything that a normal person can" I'd tell him to go dunk a basketball. Or just grab me a can of soup off the middle shelf...not even the top shelf at the grocery store. I'm not scared of being politically incorrect in person like you just confessed to everyone.
 
Internet War Criminal dijo:
Normal people in the normal world don't go LMAO YOU FACKIN' MIDGE COME OVAH HERE, and they most especially wouldn't to a billionaire with scary security surrounding him. It's the exact type of situation where no one would mention shit about him being a midget to his face. The same way that if he was a non-midge with a significant facial deformity or birth mark. People irl would go out of their way not to stare and never say shit about it because of how powerful a billionaire is. They might make fun of him on social media or in the press, but in real life that kind of money buys you a 'fuck off don't ever say anything about this ever' shield.
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This is all very true but it's completely missing his point - it's completely unacknowledged by anyone, not just avoided for the sake of politeness in his presence. Harrison doesn't say "dad, who's the tiny guy?" the moment Prater leaves the restaurant, Dexter never notices, whether in his smartass internal monologue nor when he's got Prater on the rack. The reporter who's glazing him about how amazing he is because of his childhood doesn't mention his disability. I assume the script was more or less written before the part was cast and they didn't find it necessary to rewrite to add any reference to his size.

Personally, I don't really find it distracting. Of all the suspensions of disbelief that Dexter requires, this is an easy one. You register that they're giving Dinklage a non-dwarf role and then you just kind of roll with it. They don't ask you do believe he's doing anything physically implausible. It's kind of like Hermione being black in some adaptations - it doesn't really have much bearing on anything so whatever.
 
Wow, everybody is very autistic in this thread :lol: Also, you guys can stop spoilering stuff now, if you haven't seen the full season by now then why would you read this thread?

Seriously though, I really enjoyed Ressurection although I found the black family stuff taking up way more time than necessary and I think the last episode was pretty disappointing. As others have mentioned, there were a lot of details and loose ends that could have been fun to flesh out. I still think Prater being a cannibal and/or the Ripper would have been keen. The last episode felt really rushed (just like Dexter's "magic recovery" first episode), I think a 12 or 13 episode season would have been better.

My favorite part of the final episode had to be SuperGirlBossCop's uncontrollable Bee Gee's dance dance though. That shit was Kino.

Also Prater strapped to the kill table...just no. I haven't laughed out loud that hard at a murder scene since I watched Bad Taste for the first time. 🤣
 
There's a point in episode 2 or 3 where Dexter says "..I could cry. Oh wait, I can't" and I thought the rest of the show would be s little self aware but no, not really. It's better than new blood imo but considering it's a whole franchise now and the shit they did in the later original seasons I would have welcomed , not outright comedy, but a little more nudge-wink.
 
Dexter: Resurrection now the 6th greatest television show to have ever existed, sharing a 9.2 with The Sopranos and Game of Thrones, according to IMdb.
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IMDb ratings are a mixed bag, I find mostly that they are useful and within 1 or 2 points from what I would rate [thing] myself, but when it comes to fads, or maybe "trending shows/movies" is a better term (Game of Thrones, Dexter, capeshit, etc), they are completely worthless. Yeah I enjoyed this season of Dexter, and much more than I expected to, but it doesn't belong anywhere near top 10 tv series.

Also, where's that image from?
This is what top 250 tv looks like for me (I couldn't find a way to filter out documentary series) :
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edit: I had the wrong sorting selected ("ranking"), here's one sorted by IMDb rating
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lichen dijo:
GoT's early seasons must have been rated insanely high for the last season to not pull it off the top 10.
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It’s kind of interesting that both Dexter and GOT followed pretty much identical trajectories despite being completely different genres. The first 4 seasons of both shows are pretty good, both quickly go downhill afterwards and both have a fucking awful 8th season with some of the worst finales in TV history.
 
I'm halfway through Original Sin and am having a lot of fun. There's things I don't like, but it's great to be back in Miami and it does feel like simpler days in the Dexter universe. The music being back is cozy and the actors mostly being convincing young versions of the originals makes the whole thing feel really nice. I was wrong about Original Sin, I'm liking this better than Resurrection.

Dexter is as close to S1 Dexter as we've seen since S1 ended. His giddy weird teen reactions to his kills (and to almost getting caught) is a nice change of pace. Putting Harry on the table was wild but also the kind of thing I could see him not really grasping the terror that would cause to a normal person.

Seeing Dexter use emotional manipulation on Harry to keep his kills on track is interesting - when Harry tells him the hitman is too advanced, you can see Dexter get frustrated and then have the idea of using the victim's family as an excuse to keep the hitman as a target.

The worst of the series are the Laura flashbacks,. Maybe I just don't know kids, but he seems older than 3 here? And Harry bonding with him over an extended period just feels off. Laura doesn't seem like a junkie, for one thing.

I'm not sure if they've been playing Brian as a problem child or not. He barely gets mentioned but when he does it's bad behavior - pulling a dozen tails off of lizards, the neighbors won't watch him anymore. But it's also just little boy with a single mom shit, so I appreciate the ambiguity.

Not a fan of Harry this season for whatever reason. He's more involved in Dexter's murder spree than the original series would have you suspect, and he's not that great of a person otherwise. I'm loving Deb, though.

Every once in a while I mistake Christian Slater for Ed O'neill. He's the only one who isn't a perfect physical casting. Realistically, they probably could have gotten away with using Remar for this role if he wanted it)

The kids in Miami sure do like coke.

I don't care about the kidnapper at all. Every season doesn't need a big villain but the template does demand it. It's staying out of the way so far.

My heart was warmed by the appearance and even plot significance of the game gear.

But they're having fun with this. The old hitman tripping and getting hit by a car after Dexter smashes his guitar, the double date, weirdo fucking jizz-bot, etc.
 
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