Dexter Franchise - Tonight's the night

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lichen dijo:
Regarding Batista

He's been with Dexter multiple times since coming to New York. He's been in his car and his house. He hates the guy and is increasingly desperate to catch him, but hasn't shown any signs of going actually crazy or being so full of rage that he'd strangle him to death. Being locked in a room with two people who are encouraging Dexter to kill him and have the means to kill both of them with little difficulty should perhaps give him some ability to prioritize his problems.
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No, it’s the exact opposite. He finally has the 100% without a doubt confirmation that Dexter is the BHB, he’s in a room with people who are into him being a murderer, he knows that he’s most likely going to die, and he figures that if he’s going to die he’s gonna take out the man who took MAAAAAAAAARIAAAAAAAA away from him. And avenge Doakes, too.
 
Internet War Criminal dijo:
No, it’s the exact opposite. He finally has the 100% without a doubt confirmation that Dexter is the BHB, he’s in a room with people who are into him being a murderer, he knows that he’s most likely going to die, and he figures that if he’s going to die he’s gonna take out the man who took MAAAAAAAAARIAAAAAAAA away from him. And avenge Doakes, too.
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Maybe I need to rewatch the season, but Batista isn't hunting for confirmation - he's convinced. If he wasn't convinced when he showed up in Iron Lake, he was convinced when he appeared in New York, and then he literally stood in a kill room Dexter had lead him to. He doesn't finally need 100% confirmation, he's already true believer; you can tell from the way he repeatedly bitterly tells people how good Dexter is at befriending people and making them trust him.

Maybe he's so full of la passion and has already accepted that he's going to die and decided he'd just get them both killed or something. But it felt like a lazy way to get him off the show; he got a decent parting shot off at Dexter but Angel's arc does not deliver overall. Angela calling Angel was the one moment of genuine electricity in New Blood and their failure to pay that off is the sole reason NB wasn't an acceptable ending. And what we get is Angel as a third or fourth tier antagonist in Resurrection who takes himself out.
 
Bâtard Consanguine dijo:
Calling it now, Dex is going to kill Prater with the manhole hook and 'officially' Prater will be the last victim of the Ripper. Why else would the show still be calling attention to it the second to last episode of the season?
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Nah, he's going to frame Prater as the Bay Harbor Butcher at the end of all this.

  • He's the right age. (Dinklage is a few years older than Michael C. Hall.)
  • He's rich as fuck which means he can go anywhere and do anything whenever he wants. Including disposing of bodies from a rich guy boat and getting away with it for over 2 decades.
  • He's obsessed with other serial killers and even has the BHB slides that dissappeared from police evidence.
  • He has, we have seen, ordered the deaths of serial killers. Probably numerous times.
  • The lack of a coherent MO could be explained by him not doing any of the killings himself.
If we find out Prater spent a lot of time in Miami, his fate is sealed. Though even then... smartest thing to do if he were the BHB is to "collect" primarily in one place to throw off the authorities, maybe? Whatever, the theory makes more sense than our boy getting away with killing the deputy from New Blood :stress:


Batista having (theatrically) never told anyone about his suspicions (even though he did in the original show... again, whatever) means it will only be known to whoever finds his recordings. Probably Quinn (for season 2) since we know it won't be Comedic Character™️ Masuka deciding to kick ass on his own. Or maybe it will be the autistic detective. Or all of them working together. Bet you wish you hadn't gone around using your real name now, dontcha Dex???

I read a theory on Reddit (don't judge me) that the New York Ripper is going to be revealed to be a former police officer who stopped killing because he's disabled. He might even show up at the gala. His kid might even be someone we know!
 
lichen dijo:
but Angel's arc does not deliver overall.
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Are we watching the same show?

Angel's arc ends perfectly: another collateral victim to Dexter's attempts at being a serial killer and not getting caught while living up to his code.

Harry.
Doakes.
Rita.
Maria.
Debra.
Lundy.
Ellen Wolf.
Paul.
etc.

All died directly or almost directly related to his side activities, and they would all still be alive if he hadn't interfered in one way or another. And now Angel joins the list.

It's just another proof that no matter how hard Dexter tries to follow 'the code' and do the right thing as he was taught to do, he's still a fundamentally broken and evil character who spreads death around, sometimes unintentionally.

Which is really bad news for Harrison the longer this show goes on.

Maybe he's so full of la passion and has already accepted that he's going to die and decided he'd just get them both killed or something.
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He's strapped to a table, surrounded by killers, being told he's going to be the Dexter's next victim and that's going to be how Dexter gets to kill over and over and over without end.

It's not like AAAANGEL is privy to Dexter's inner monologue, knows about the code, or has any idea why Dexter tried to free him. He knows he's about to die and he's gonna take down the motherfucker who took his friend Doakes and MAAAAAAARIA from him if that's the last thing he does.
 
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Reading through the books, and I wish more people read the section of Dexter talking to Debra about "Do I have to save Doakes, Debra?" also Doakes after the incident trolling Dexter at the elevator is hilarious to me.

I haven't seen anyone here or on 4chan mention those scenes surprisingly. I guess a lot of people are only interested in the shows.
 
Internet War Criminal dijo:
Are we watching the same show?

Angel's arc ends perfectly: another collateral victim to Dexter's attempts at being a serial killer and not getting caught while living up to his code.

Harry.
Doakes.
Rita.
Maria.
Debra.
Lundy.
Ellen Wolf.
Paul.
etc.

All died directly or almost directly related to his side activities, and they would all still be alive if he hadn't interfered in one way or another. And now Angel joins the list.

It's just another proof that no matter how hard Dexter tries to follow 'the code' and do the right thing as he was taught to do, he's still a fundamentally broken and evil character who spreads death around, sometimes unintentionally.

Which is really bad news for Harrison the longer this show goes on.
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I think we're just looking for different things here. Angel's arc is unsatisfying to me because the only thing he accomplishes is to be another collateral victim of Dexter's - you list eight, with Maria. He didn't even manage to be the most threatening detective in this season despite starting with all of La Guerta's notes.

I'm not glad Angel stuck around for 10 seasons to be used to re-tread the "my darkness damages everyone around me" theme, especially since Harrison is also playing that part perfectly. It fits the pattern, but that theme has been explored for so long that it's no longer interesting. But even if it did end perfectly, I've been pretty open that don't think his arc was very interesting up to the last scene, either. I'm trying not to expect too much from Dexter, but a fan favorite character should have a little more put into him for his final role.

Anyone track down the episode 10 leak and watch it for themselves?
 
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Batista having (theatrically) never told anyone about his suspicions (even though he did in the original show... again, whatever) means it will only be known to whoever finds his recordings.
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This is one of the most annoying parts of Dexter's plot armor. That no one ever goes public with the obvious, of him being a serial killer, and they keep it a secret to their graves repeatedly. It made sense for Debra to not immediately voice her concerns to the police because she grew up with Dexter and won't turn on her brother. But nearly everyone else could have taken Dexter down with one phone call. Not just people in law enforcement but many of the seasonal villains and other serial killers should have had some type of dead man's switch on Dexter as well. Miguel and Trinity didn't send a note to anyone or alert the media.

There are almost as many main characters that know Dexter is a serial killer compared to those that don't. More than half of the original detectives in the first series now all know or knew Dexter is a serial killer. Yet it has barely affected the plot. The plot armor is too powerful. Dexter is like the serial killer in the movie Frailty where even God interferes with surveillance cameras to stop them recording the killer.
lichen dijo:
Angel's arc is unsatisfying to me because the only thing he accomplishes is to be another collateral victim of Dexter's.
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It's not even that. It's just another character that could have gone to the FBI and ended things. Easily. But once the writers had Dexter walking around freely after the Trinity Killer takes his wife in the bathtub it was obvious that Dexter was invincible. I could barely tolerate the insane writing of allowing him to wipe his prints off of the blood slides in front of the FBI during season two but that was back when the show was more dark comedy.
 
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I've never watched a dubbed version of a live show - is it common for dubs to just overlay the dubbed dialogue on top of the original sound? I can hear the original actors' lines when the Russian ends before they do.

Episode 10 blather
The episode was fine. Brian shows up for fanservice. Licensed music comes back in a big way when Smash Mouth's All Star starts playing as Batista's ringtone for Quinn. (Do people still use ringtones? Is that a thing?) I'm impressed by the impeccable cell service in the vault. Batista not fully charging his phone feels on character to me. Also - Staying Alive makes its triumphant return.

Had Dexter given Harrison the needle in an earlier episode or did they throw that in right when he needed it? I'm not going back to check. I was kind of disappointed that the full dose wasn't an immediate killshot to Prater, but I guess that would have been acknowledging his size)

NYPD processed the prints on the gun pretty quickly. There doesn't seem to be any shock about them being Prater's which maybe isn't too surprising given they're standing in a weird serial killer chapel in his home. Charley (Brown) left town but I can't imagine Prater's chief of security just gets to move 150 miles down the road and not be the first person they call. Maybe she'll make herself disappear when the shit hits the fan.

I'm surprised that he didn't dispose of Batista. I guess he doesn't know that Batista has been lobbying the local cops about him being a serial killer, but I would still imagine that missing attracts less scrutiny from everyone than showing up dead in bizarre circumstances. Setting off the alarm was pretty silly and there was no need for the entire police force to rush to the penthouse. Alarm goes off, maybe his private security team wants to handle it without a bunch of cops entering a private residence without being invited? Maybe you don't need 25 people to insert themselves into it, regardless?

Harrison repeatedly hanging up on Dexter when call ID shows Batista because he's busy eating out his girlfriend was pretty funny (I guess Batista gave Harrison his number and H added it to his contacts?). I'm not sure if Dexter took Batista's phone with him or left it in the vault. Either way, Harrison got several phone calls and took one long facetime from that number. There's a lot of potential for Batista to come back to haunt both of them, but it's entirely possible that the NYPD Detective says "I guess Prater was so fascinated by serial killers he wanted to know what it was like," will order someone to investigate any unsolved police deaths as potentially Prater's work, and then dedicate a memorial bench to Batista and move on.

Overall - Resurrection was midtier for me. Dexter back doing Dexter things, without anything particularly memorable happening. Batista being wasted is a hill I'll die on. At the risk of being too much of a loser, I'll compare it to the new Dream Theater album - the band is back together and that's kind of exciting, but they took no risks and had no new ideas and it's not worth reliving now that I've seen it once.
 
Decent finale. Only got 1 prediction kinda right and that's Harrison being bait, and a half-prediction in that Prater is pinned with Bautista's death (though, "pinned" would imply unjust blame). It didn't leave me somewhat pissed off like the ending of New Blood, so it gets points for that (I'll never get over how she arrived at the conclusion Dexter was the BHB, or how Dexter escaped his cell).

Thinking on it, the Blessing element of the show was odd considering how little he actually mattered. Whilst he was wrapped into Dexter's concluding remarks, his actual significance was meagre. The detectives also become functionally unimportant after Harrison's name is cleared but Blessing was even earlier, once Dexter has his apartment and job. He and the pair of detectives felt like they got carried to the end from the inertia of their initial plot relevance and not much else, even if I did like them for the most part. People also noticed the scene from the trailers where Blessing had katana wasn't anywhere in the show. If season 2 gets slated for an earlier release than expected then maybe they filmed some shit in advance? Only the first 2 were initially confirmed I think and 3 got announced slightly later so possibly...
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Maybe it wasn't Blessing? Doakes is still alive!?!?

Also the show introduced "This Must Be The Place" by Talking Heads, which is now my phone's ringtone, so thanks for that.

Uma Therman's going back to her home with her mother which is in Massachusetts which is where Rapunzel lives (the state not the exact town they mentioned) so that'll be a season 2 thing probably. I do think she could've gone out of state in the discord following the vault's discovery without being immediately intercepted.
She could also tell the police pretty much what happened and in order:
1. My boss killed Angel
2. I quit
And throw in some lies about fearing for her life and she's pretty much off Scott free, yeah?

Also: Prater getting in 3 bags, all carriable by Dexter, is the 2nd implicit mention of his size. First and only other being his, "look at me," stance when he and Dexter first meet and offers it as a reason why couldn't be a serial killer. The last person to see Prater was the security guard whose gun he took so yeah, pretty much would be expected of going off the deep end and disappearing via his private elevator.
 
The decision to kill Batista was actually genius because there were actual stakes during the finale. I was genuinely wondering if they were going to end up killing Harrison as well, setting up a second season where Dexter has nothing to lose and goes on a villain arc or something along those lines.

It was also great to hear Quinn, and I’m assuming that hearing him/seeing his picture and mentioning Masuka at the end means that we’ll probably see them in Season 2. I just hope they don’t go down the boring road of ‘They figure out what Dexter does and want to catch him but maybe SuBvErT eXpEcTaTiOnS and have him/them find out and just be ok with it because they’re like ‘I mean it’s fucked up but uh we’ve seen who you’ve been killing. So, props I guess but if you ever kill someone innocent we’re taking you down’ or something along those lines.

I could definitely see Masuka being ok with it/weirdly being into it one way or another.

I also really liked that early on they gave us a glimpse for half a second of the Ripper’s murder tool in the museum, setting it up for the ending. That was a nice touch. Though now when I rewatch it I’m gonna have to check out if Dexter noticed it the first time he had tour (or any time he went in) before he talked to the detective about the blood splatter etc… and see if he had good instinct or if he literally just saw it and told her. Assuming it was autistic blood splatter analysis, but still.

It definitely wasn’t as good as the last episode, but that one was maybe top 5, definitely top 10, of all Dexter episodes, so, not a surprise.

Really excited with how they set up the next season, and I hope they take their time to really write it out because fuck, this was good.

The most shocking thing about this entire season is that fucking Dexter ended up at least top 3 TV shows of 2025 (definitely not better than MobLand, but that’s about it).
 
Internet War Criminal dijo:
Internet War Criminal dijo:
blood splatter etc… and see if he had good instinct or if he literally just saw it and told her. Assuming it was autistic blood splatter analysis, but still
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Yeah he noticed it. It even flashes up when he's sitting in on the class. It is something he could've probably arrived at himself doing his blood splatter autism back in Miami.

Regarding the cops who'd "okay" what Dexter's done, Quinn would be the one. Every cop in Miami Metro – besides Quinn and Deb – were paragons essentially. Lawful Good. Masuka was a sleezeball, but he still came forward in season 3 to point the planted evidence by that obsessed brother of the DA; I think he'd be disgusted with Dex and either want him out of sight or try to take him down, though with far less personal courage on his part. Quinn I think would be obliged to hunt him down if he attributed Bautista's death to Dexter, but if not, then he's got no personal incentive to try and bring him to justice. He wasn't with Miami Metro when Doakes was there and the BHB case was broken. I don't recall him expressing any real sentimentality towards anyone else besides Deb, and it can be assumed he and Angel got closer over the ten year gap to some extent. That's about the only forward inertia Quinn would have to go bring down Dexter down, but it dissipates if he learns Dexter didn't kill Bautista. Angel also shared nothing about this with anyone too back in Miami. The Detectives in New York would more or less have to conclude Bautista was correct, inform Quinn, and then that's the only conceivable way Quinn learns of things unless Angel had shit back at his apartment/house in Miami.

Nobody who ever figured out what Dexter's done has ever really been "okay" with it unless they were murderers themselves. It was tolerated to a certain end by anyone who did learn but I think everyone just dies who figures it out. Harrison's fine, now, but it still lead to him shooting Dexter in the end of New Blood.

Also: does anybody remember, Lumen? "'Lumen'? Stupid fucking name."

Mobland's your #1, where's your second or third depending on Dexter's placement? I watched Mobland, it was alright. That fuckin' wife though. No Englishman has felt this intensity of contempt for the Irish since Cromwell.
 
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the show should have ended with Dexter blatantly breaking the code, realizing that he's fed too much into his vice to quit on his own, and handing himself over to the authorities, rather than trying to kill himself like a coward. The public would mostly see him as a monster, but some people who know how awful his victims were would show gratitude toward him.

Though he'd be afraid to face death, Dexter would feel a peace he hadn't felt since childhood, knowing that he had killed his dark passenger. The last scene could be his lethal injection, where surviving side characters would spectate before being replaced by visions of the deceased, with whom Dexter would reconcile in his last moments.
 
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