Dexter Franchise - Tonight's the night

[With the actors on it?]

He was also a good Jack Torrance is that otherwise retarded Doctor Sleep adaptation.

Also directed by Mike, I haven’t seen it but I’ve heard it’s all around good.
Y’know it’s not gonna top the original Kubrick classic but then what will, what’s so bad about it?

 

[Shartavius]

Y’know it’s not gonna top the original Kubrick classic but then what will, what’s so bad about it?

The short of it is that no one honestly believes The Shining needs a sequel. Stephen King's lifelong butthurt over Kubrick improving his story festered until he shat out an epilogue in which a grown-up Danny has a character arc consisting of deciding that black girls are worth saving, then fights fear vampires who make him go back to the Overlook for no reason. The main problem is that the story is retarded in the same way Thomas Harris' Hannibal sequel to Silence of the Lambs is; where the decades-too-late sequel has no business existing but for the sake of business. It is most definitely a $equel made by someone lacking a worthy idea for a sequel to a film so well-regarded than major studios are eager to distribute it on the merit of IP and no other quality.

Flanagan and his cast did the best they could to elevate retarded material; and then Warner Bros cut the film down to be even more retarded. Though the director's cut is very watchable, the memberberries of the Shining theme, reproductions of Overlook Hotel sets framed to reproduce shots from Kubrick's film, actors distractingly made up to look like Danny Lloyd, Shelley Duvall, Scatman Crothers, and Jack Nicholson, faithful adaptation of King's cringeworthy dialogue desperately in need of the same revision Kubrick duly performed (e.g. "fucking men!", "it tastes like whiskey!", "they're STAAARVIIIING!", "they call me Rose...THE HAT!", etc.), and the film's ending of destroying the hotel via the boiler the way Jack did in the original book (the Doctor Sleep novel's final showdown with a woman in a magician's hat merely takes place in the 30+ year old ruins of the Overlook) ensure the audience never forgets that they're watching something closer to an AI-generated clickbait trailer of what a sequel to The Shining might look like with modern actors - But it lasts two and a half hours, and Ewan McGregor's affected American accent is distracting.

Everyone other than King gave it their best shot, and Jacob Tremblay is pretty good at being sexually murdered with a knife by old people who huff his child death farts. But the film's plot, character motivations, and filler dialogue conveyed by filler characters are stupid in a non-entertaining way serving as a constant, needling reminder that a mediocre, 21st century "sequel" to a Stanley Kubrick classic simply has no business existing. I'm glad everybody got paid - But I doubt I'll ever feel like watching the film again (the last time I did was as a prank on someone who loves Kubrick's Shining). The Doctor Sleep film is a competent adaptation of a stinky turd.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

Legit bums me out. Original Sin was definitely flawed but it had some of that same charm and 'comfyness' the OG Dexter had with the Miami setting. I thought everyone was well casted and they seemed to enjoy filming it as well. Really bizarre to renew a show just to cut it a couple months later, it felt like they hit a jackpot with two well received shows about an old popular IP they had.

It was renewed before it started losing most of its viewership and getting reviews that would have killed any interest from new viewers.

 

[Korpon]

It was renewed before it started losing most of its viewership and getting reviews that would have killed any interest from new viewers.

It was renewed after it finished airing though, a month and a half later. If anything I found it hard to even find criticism of it in the first place from my searches, it seemed like the normies really loved it.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Yeah, the critics were a little bit rough on it but audience scoring for Original Sin was higher than New Blood or the last few Dexter seasons. 70% critics 78% audience on Rotten Tomatoes, 8.2 on IMDB, etc..

It’s confusing because by all metrics the show was doing well and the audience were digging it.

 

[TheHarbinger]

It’s confusing because by all metrics the show was doing well and the audience were digging it.

Top streaming and cable shows have been canceled before. Absolute bottom tier dogshit shows have gone on for over a decade. It's almost all politics and social relationships that dictate which shows get picked up, renewed, or canceled. There's no point in trying to rationalize the minds of media executives.

 

[lichen]

I’m finally caught up on Resurrection (as of episode eight). Thought dump:

Spoiler

• They’re stuffing this show with licensed music to the point of it being distracting.
• The first couple episodes are rough. Harrison’s decision to dismember the body in the middle of a well lit kitchen while wearing earbuds was just ridiculous. He’s not the only person in the building. His guilt resolved itself tidily.
• Dexter seems more reckless. He immediately starts killing in a new town before his living situation or disposal is well thought out. He’s living in a flat where he can hear who is speaking in the house above him (so vice versa). He’s using someone else’s hiding place for his trophies. He murdered a man in his apartment and let his friend into his apartment while the body was fresh, instead of contriving some reason for buddy to fuck off. He left his kill room up after Al bailed. He loaded the Italian into his car without checking for pedestrians. Dexter as a serial killer worked because he was meticulously careful about not getting caught, and I think the is sloppy writing more than setup.
• There was a lot about the kitchen that hasn’t shown up again - how the bags were tied, and I was sure the detective was going to pull up the drain in the kitchen to look for runoff blood from the cleanup.
• Also waiting to understand if Dexter cutting himself in Red’s apartment will come back. Or if anyone will ever notice that four of his fingerprints don’t match the hand that has Red’s thumbprint. Or if Charley will ever run the license plate on the car he keeps showing up in. She’s apparently not tracking his phone because she track him down when Red’s apartment was empty. (Maybe this is how they caught him at the end of the last episode)
• A rich man collecting serial killers is an idea that could work, but it’s not working here. Neither Prater nor Charley are very interesting. Partly it’s because Dexter has done the “moral pillar of the community hides a dark and violent serial killing secret” bit several times now and it’s just not interesting. I do look forward to Parter fitting in a single garbage bag, though.
• I have no idea how competent and controlled they really want us to believe Charley is. She randomly kills the Clubber in broad daylight (clearly not the plan), never bothered to actually look at Red, and managed to identify Gemini without realizing he had a twin brother. But I get the sense that they want us to believe she’s a lethal and professional force to be reckoned with.
• I like Al. Jovial midwesterner who murders joggers and creates personalized snuff films that address Prater by name, then goes home to knock his wife up while she’s ovulating. I kind of like the idea of him just exiting with a “oh gosh buddy, sorry but I’ve gotta get going, don’t cha know?” and escaping Dexter and the police forever.
• So far, Batista’s not as compelling as I thought he’d be - he seems to have accepted that Dexter is the Butcher while Dexter was in his coma. Because he’s already convinced of Dexter’s guilt and doesn’t have specific crimes in NY to investigate (or any authority) he doesn’t come off as a serious threat. And Dexter’s days of wishing he could be a guy like Angel are long past. He’s just an annoying loose end, there’s no meaningful interactions between the two.
• I’m guessing Quinn’s going to show up at some point. He might end up being a more interesting visitor from Miami - he had his suspicions about Dexter as Kyle Butler but could be crooked enough to get 90% of the way to the truth and decide to leave it alone.
• At this point I assume the Ripper will be a second season villain, and that means the detective probably survives to be part of that story arc. I’m also setting aside a 5% chance that Charley is the Ripper - she’s a violent sociopath with limited backstory so far.

As I’ve gone through my thoughts and tried to trim them down, this season feels very busy. There’s Prater and his gang, the new police detectives, Batista, Harrison, Harrison’s friend who doesn’t want to kiss him, his girlfriend, Dexter’s day one friend from Sierra Leon upstairs, Harry, and the occasional cameos - while he’s getting set up in a new city. Looking forward to finishing the season, but this is season 5 quality so far.

 

[MrGodSlave]

Dexter finna put Prater in a blender and mix some midge potion for S2 when he going for Jonah aka NY Ripper.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Dexter finna put Prater in a blender and mix some midge potion for S2 when he going for Jonah aka NY Ripper.

He'll be the greater scope villain but they need a tertiary villain, and I vote they get progressively smaller midgets for subsequent seasons to replace Dinklage. They can get Warwick Davis for season 2; his ultimate fate at the hands of Dexter has already been committed to prose.

For season 3 they'll have to resurrect Vern Troyer, or that midget-baby guy from Mad Max Fury Road. By then we ought to have the technology.

 

[Deus Exica]

Saying Dexter has 'one good season' is patently untrue. It has four, then you pretend that the rest dont exist.

 

[With the actors on it?]

Spoiler: Spoilers for Episode 9 of Resurrection

Holy shit, I fucking LOVED the fact that Dexter isn't forgiven by Batista as he dies, essentially tells him to go fuck himself I was worried that they were gonna make him "forgive" Dexter or have him die off screen but no Dexter is almost Directly responsible for Batista's death

 

[lichen]

If you're wondering if Resurrection is on track to stick the landing

Spoiler

The last 10 minutes of this were pure torture. Angel showing up at Prater's home and fighting group of private security as a 60something fat man, Dexter walking into a billionaire's home (no doubt on camera) above a literal police gala intending to murder him while praying for plot armor, Angel on the table, Prater deciding having a gun on the serial killer with a knife is embarrassing (?), Dexter cutting Angel's bonds instead of focusing on the threats in front of him, Angel attacking Dexter instead of understanding that they're locked in a vault with two people who tied him up for their thrill kill.

For the previous poster - Dexter isn't responsible for Batista's death, at all. I'm baffled by that take. You're right that it's proper for Batista to tell him to go fuck himself, though.

At the risk of acting like I know how to write a TV show, it would have been better if Dexter refused to kill Angel and Charlie had given him permission to kill Prater and then they leave his body in the vault which will never be found. Episode 9 showed us that she reviles Prater and feels exploited by him; now that she knows what Dexter does it would be reasonable Dexter-tier writing for her to decide it's preferable for him to do his schtick than let Prater continue in any fashion. She can control access to Prater and so can delay any notice of him being missing to keep money flowing for her mother's treatment for the foreseeable future and/or just steal a bunch of shit.

You can deal with Angel however you want; it can't be worse than this. Hell, he's already dismissed as a crank by every law enforcement officer in the show's cannon so you can just let him slink off with his tail between his legs. Or let him feign gratitude and a willingness to go their separate ways, and continue his hunt more cautiously. Let him transition and become a worldwide burlesque star. Anything.

You knew Prater's offer would come up eventually. Again, the concept of a billionaire with a fascination for darkness and moral compass that's been disarmed by extreme wealth could work, but I'm not sure they're managing to say anything. There's a writing team that could make his complete lack of common sense around his safety a commentary on him expecting that his wealth can insulate him from anything. Here the character's depth starts and ends at the elevator pitch; you could rewrite the character to remove the extreme wealth and I'm not sure anything substantial about the writing would need to change.

I assume Charley and Prater go directly for Harrison at this point. They've got Dexter in the vault, but Prater probably still wants to play his serial killer game. So he takes Harrison as a kind of hostage and tries to get Dexter to accept his offer after all. Harrison has also met both of them and Charley in particular showed him enough of her hand for Harrison to be a loose end.

edit; I seem to be in the minority on this.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Saying Dexter has 'one good season' is patently untrue. It has four, then you pretend that the rest dont exist.

If you're calling season 2 good, thats a "pronouns in bio" tier red flag.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Bravo. Fucking bravo.

I have to admit that not only did I not think they’d have the balls to kill Batista, but on top of it to have him killed the way that he was? With his last words being a fuck you to Dexter.

Fucking amazing, I am so fucking psyched for next season. Equal with Mobland as far as best shows of the year.

I’m fucking blown away by how good this season has been.

 

[Bâtard Consanguine]

Calling it now, Dex is going to kill Prater with the manhole hook and 'officially' Prater will be the last victim of the Ripper. Why else would the show still be calling attention to it the second to last episode of the season?

 

[TheHarbinger]

The Russian dub of the last episode leaked online. There are already English subtitles. And someone did an A.I. generated English dub.

 

[Grug]

They’re stuffing this show with licensed music to the point of it being distracting.

I noticed that too and I'd like to slap whoever thought we needed "Staying Alive" as a leitmotif for the lead detective. I think they should have used less licensed music and gone with one (1) more distinctly New York type of it. I can't come up with anything better suited than jazz - well maybe kletzmer, but that's another part of town apparently - and I heard some Italian restaurants play Frank Sinatra all day to keep the niggers away. If anyone working on the show in some capacity reads this: I'm willing to be a music consultant for season 2.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Because I'm a zoom-zoom I haven't actually encountered a ton of the licensed tracks outside of "Stayin' Alive" so I didn't really get the big deal about it until Mad World started playing and I understood what you meant (was that a cover version?). But yeah, that's pretty distracting and can immediately take you out of it. That being said, I had never listened to "This Must be The Place" by Talking Heads, so I appreciate the show introducing that track to me, and it has taken a permanent place in my music playlist.

Bautista's last words were completely warranted. Not sure if I personally would've leapt at the guy who freed me over the guy who would've watched me die but considering he's got decades of newfound-rage bubbling under the surface, I get it. It reminded me of a certain scene in Boardwalk Empire (which I'd recommend to anyone who hasn't already watched that show to watch it, it's pretty good) and besides making Bautista look like more a limp fish there was no real way he was going to survive the season without letting go his suspicions entirely or making peace with Dexter - which I spoke about before, and probably wouldn't happen unless you contrived the circumstances out your ass. The show already does a lot to morally vindicate Dexter every chance it gets so getting Bautista forgiving and forgetting would just be too much - Harrison pretty much absorbed all the leeway someone would be willing to give someone like Dexter and left none left for Angel.

Speaking of Harrison, I did appreciate how quickly Dexter brought Harrison up to speed on the whole thing with Prater. It's actually rather refreshing since too many stories rely on miscommunication or a lack of it just to push the story forward or force drama. I'm not sure where his relationship with the girl is headed but it seems more like a season 2 thing now.

Uma Therman's mom being a thing + sympathetic motive + backstory + Prater being the one to shoot Bautista all seem purpose-built to having her survive the finale or betray Prater. She has killed on-screen but so far it's only been legit murderers not making her any worse than Dexter. Actually, maybe even better than him morally speaking. Remember the time Dexter just straight up killed the wrong guy in season 4? The artist? Lmao.

I don't know if I'll watch the leaked Russian ep or just wait for it to come out in English.

Overall, pretty decent penultimate episode. I can't see the ending they're cooking up being any worse than the worst seasons of Dexter. Atleast we don't have Hannah.

Spoiler: Prediction autism.

I thought what Prater offered Dexter was going to be the conclusion of season 1, the "jump the shark and John Wick the setting," but I guess not. I knew instantly Lady Vengeance would get pinned with Harrison's murder but I made it out to be more integral to the plot than it ended up being. Since Prater mentioned having files on serial killers and Uma Therman has only killed other killers herself with Prater having (directly) killed Bautista, she might make it into season 2 with Prater dying in the finale, effectively offered up to Dexter as she grows a conscience. He'll be giddy the entire time since he gets to witness the "BHB in action" like he was watching Bautista. Uma might take the role Prater was offering or something, seeing it as a sort of redemptive act on her part. I don't have a clue what Harrison will do other than possibly be blackmail material or bait. The two detectives seem focused on the New York Ripper now, and I don't really have a clue how you could feasibly connect Dexter to Bautista's disappearance. Right now as far as any potential eye-witnesses are concerned, he went to Prater, and then just disappeared. Dexter + Prater + Bautista's disappearance could be connected, maybe, but there's nothing concrete. I'm guessing the vault's self-destruct sequence-thing could potentially erase any evidence of Bautista's murder, or at a minimum, Dexter's involvement, since you'd have just a burnt (but still identifiable) body and the suspicious location of death. Cause of death (shot) -> calibre of bullet to the gun -> gun is in Prater's possession -> Prater becomes #1 suspect. Either arrest him (becoming like his parent's killer, orange jumpsuit and all - no, they will still not mention the fact he's a dwarf) or conclude he's got enough money to flee the country if Dexter kills him.

I'm also not sure how Dexter will get out of the vault since I don't think it can be opened from the inside, but if it can, some clue can be derived from that letter Prater showed in the last episode for sure (I think someone here already mentioned that? Not sure). Final shot of season 1 might have Dexter leaving for Wisconsin to go after the Ponytail killer but yeah, those are some rough predictions for some of the finale, scattershot as they are.

 

[lichen]

Regarding Batista

Spoiler

He's been with Dexter multiple times since coming to New York. He's been in his car and his house. He hates the guy and is increasingly desperate to catch him, but hasn't shown any signs of going actually crazy or being so full of rage that he'd strangle him to death. Being locked in a room with two people who are encouraging Dexter to kill him and have the means to kill both of them with little difficulty should perhaps give him some ability to prioritize his problems.

 

[Shartavius]

He'll be the greater scope villain but they need a tertiary villain, and I vote they get progressively smaller midgets for subsequent seasons to replace Dinklage. They can get Warwick Davis for season 2; his ultimate fate at the hands of Dexter has already been committed to prose.
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For season 3 they'll have to resurrect Vern Troyer, or that midget-baby guy from Mad Max Fury Road. By then we ought to have the technology.

This got me so excited for a TV show I'll never get to see. If only the series was Michael C Hall killing every midget with a SAG card, with multiple revivals and a prequel series canceled because there weren't enough midgets being killed.