Debate TES regulars about why the site's userbase had a political shift

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Mate I've seen Null hand out the red username to people just for personally annoying him. Now, I'm not complaining about Null's handling of the site—far from it—but let's not kid ourselves; this is a game of Tropico with a capricious but lenient El Presidente who will firebomb your housing block for being annoying.
Like who? I don't even like Null, but I do respect him, and I am not going to think openly insulting him on the website he has moved mountains to keep up is cool. Yeah, you're "allowed" to do it, and I am allowed to think you are cunts for it.

Literally no they would not. Maybe you personally wouldn't, but half the time I find the "I support your right to free speech even if I disagree with you" crowd are just virtue signalling and you can find them gravedancing the second somebody they don't like gets yeeted. Hell, given your general demeanor and obscene use of high-inference language I get the impression you would find an excuse to justify why it was okay for, say, @General Patton to eat the banhammer mere seconds after it happened.
I mean, unless Patton started saying that twelve-year-olds are sluts or started getting creepily pedantic about the age of consent. Then it could be justifiable and not just the whim of a pissed off Erverlord.
I used to be one of those people, but interacting with progressives slowly eroded my belief in defending other people's speech when they would never do so for me. Actually, this exchange with @General Patton is a good reminder as to why I despise progressives, but I respect Null; progressives despise the concept of free speech, but want their speech treated as sacred while everyone they dislike is silenced. By contrast Null has principles and tries to abide by his principle of free speech even when it is difficult. I respect Null for having much more self-control than myself, because I would have actually gone El Presidente on these people a while ago, and he consistently shows that he has the self-control to not do so. If he was as whimsical and vindictive as you present, then this thread would have a lot of bannings. To put it simply: I do not believe you, at all.

That being said, it would be hilarious to see Patton get banned, you are right about that. I love seeing progressives getting hung by the noose they tied.

"Null is such a vitruous free speech advocate, you should bribe him" is a very strange statement and I'm not entirely sure how to parse it.
As I keep saying, the discourse of your kind necessitates pretending that you don't understand the topic at hand so you can make discourse impossible. Patton said "she" wants more lolcow features, and I told "her" that "she" could put "her" money where "her" mouth is and push that kind of featuring if "she" feels so strongly. Same goes to you and anyone else pretending to care about this. Free speech advocacy does not mean some kind of obligation to signal boost certain topics over others, but if she cares that much, then she should cough up the money to pursue her supposed desires. The entire reason Null implemented the new featuring system was specifically to give an incentive to people to donate, especially if they want certain topics to get featured.
 
Like my nigga @Daddy's Angry Juice. God rest his soul.
If he was as whimsical and vindictive as you present, then this thread would have a lot of bannings. To put it simply: I do not believe you, at all.
Then, to put it even more simply, you just haven't seen it. Again, unless @Daddy's Angry Juice was banned for a reason beyond just annoying Dear Feeder that I'm not aware of. But looking at his page nobody brings up a hidden DM chain where he shares furry feetpix, nobody says anything about him credibly threatening someone with real life violence, nor anything about how it's okay to date 14 year olds because they did so in medieval times. The only reason offered up is "antagonizing the site owner". It's more than likely you just don't care about random shitposters being banned for antagonizing Jersh so you don't even notice it to begin with.
As I keep saying, the discourse of your kind necessitates pretending that you don't understand the topic at hand so you can make discourse impossible. Patton said "she" wants more lolcow features, and I told "her" that "she" could put "her" money where "her" mouth is and push that kind of featuring if "she" feels so strongly. Same goes to you and anyone else pretending to care about this. Free speech advocacy does not mean some kind of obligation to signal boost certain topics over others, but if she cares that much, then she should cough up the money to pursue her supposed desires. The entire reason Null implemented the new featuring system was specifically to give an incentive to people to donate, especially if they want certain topics to get featured.
Don't lump me in with lefties just because I'm a retard and somehow missed Patton whinging about community features. That's a display of my own personal incompetence, not some calculated Johnny Cochran tactic to bamboozle you.

This, conversely, is why people find interacting with rightoids exhausting. For leftoids it's because they always default to passive-aggressive shitflinging and becoming suddenly nonserious in the face of any insurmountable opposition, and for rightoids it's because they're so fucking neurotic they view every form of opposition as a 4D chess attack by a malignant agent (possibly paid for by <insert organization here>) and not just a genuine, stupid blunder on the part of their interlocutor.

Then again, I've lost count of the amount of right wing people who also flit between serious and "just joking lol" whenever the going gets tough, and the paranoia that the person disagreeing with you is part of "THE ENEMY" is a fixture of leftists as well, so are these even actual identifying traits? Or are they just the general actions of insufferable, spineless faggots being applied broadly to people we don't like?

This is what annoys me so much about partisan discussions. Whenever Unga Tribe condemns Bunga Tribe for exhibiting a suite of reprehensible behaviors, you can almost immediately stumble across an Unga doing the exact same thing the Bunga did without any censure just because "he Unga mean he good". And don't take this to mean I'm singling out one side over the other, Bunga does the exact same shit, but I'm used to Bunga being duplicitous hypocrites, so it irks me more personally when my very own Ungas get in on that action.

I don't know if something has changed, either in me or in the people around me or the water we're all drinking, but it feels like the political "sides" become harder and harder to define or distinguish as the years go by, already retarded ideologies dissolving into vague sportsball team allegiances.
 
Let's not pretend that Null is some perfect saintly site admin who has done no wrong. There have been times when he banned people for the crime of being annoying to him, like CallmeCicada or that guy he banned because of an argument about cheese. Or times when he didn't ban people who should have been banned like Android Raptor, who absolutely should have been banned earlier. There's plenty not to like about Null, but I still do appreciate his efforts in keeping the site up and fighting against capital I Internet censorship. I hope he succeeds with what he's doing with USIPS.
 
Like my nigga @Daddy's Angry Juice. God rest his soul.
Then, to put it even more simply, you just haven't seen it. Again, unless @Daddy's Angry Juice was banned for a reason beyond just annoying Dear Feeder that I'm not aware of. But looking at his page nobody brings up a hidden DM chain where he shares furry feetpix, nobody says anything about him credibly threatening someone with real life violence, nor anything about how it's okay to date 14 year olds because they did so in medieval times. The only reason offered up is "antagonizing the site owner". It's more than likely you just don't care about random shitposters being banned for antagonizing Jersh so you don't even notice it to begin with.
You are right, I have not seen it, but thank you for telling me. That is fucked up, and I don't agree with that. I will be the first to admit that I have my preferred little corners of KF that I rarely leave, and I like it that way, so I don't oftentimes engage with the site as a whole. I am not claiming to be some kind of Farms lore expert here, just saying it like I have seen it. So while Null does seem to occasionally rage ban without due cause, I also don't think it's that common or else I think we would have seen some banhammers in this thread.
Don't lump me in with lefties just because I'm a retard and somehow missed Patton whinging about community features. That's a display of my own personal incompetence, not some calculated Johnny Cochran tactic to bamboozle you.

This, conversely, is why people find interacting with rightoids exhausting. For leftoids it's because they always default to passive-aggressive shitflinging and becoming suddenly nonserious in the face of any insurmountable opposition, and for rightoids it's because they're so fucking neurotic they view every form of opposition as a 4D chess attack by a malignant agent (possibly paid for by <insert organization here>) and not just a genuine, stupid blunder on the part of their interlocutor.

Then again, I've lost count of the amount of right wing people who also flit between serious and "just joking lol" whenever the going gets tough, and the paranoia that the person disagreeing with you is part of "THE ENEMY" is a fixture of leftists as well, so are these even actual identifying traits? Or are they just the general actions of insufferable, spineless faggots being applied broadly to people we don't like?

This is what annoys me so much about partisan discussions. Whenever Unga Tribe condemns Bunga Tribe for exhibiting a suite of reprehensible behaviors, you can almost immediately stumble across an Unga doing the exact same thing the Bunga did without any censure just because "he Unga mean he good". And don't take this to mean I'm singling out one side over the other, Bunga does the exact same shit, but I'm used to Bunga being duplicitous hypocrites, so it irks me more personally when my very own Ungas get in on that action.

I don't know if something has changed, either in me or in the people around me or the water we're all drinking, but it feels like the political "sides" become harder and harder to define or distinguish as the years go by, already retarded ideologies dissolving into vague sportsball team allegiances.
Fair enough man, I am sensitive. These people frustrate me, and after dealing with General Troon who lamented they couldn't have a good faith conversation, then immediately refused to have a good faith conversation, I am absolutely assuming things. I should not just assume things unfairly, and I apologize for that. I am so used to everyone using stupidity as a smokescreen for malice, that I am beginning to view honest mistakes as malice, even when it is not. It's hard not to form the association, when I so frequently see evil masquerading as idiocy, but I also realize that I did totally jump down your throat. I am sorry about that.

The right wing post-ironic "I'm joking but not really" tactic is an unfortunate defense mechanism that right wingers develop to try to avoid constant permabans on the entirety of the internet, as well as even worse consequences IRL. Such duplicity is not necessary here, but old habits die hard. Yes, I am defending that behavior. I think they should stop it here, but I absolutely understand the necessity of it elsewhere, especially in nations where wrongthink will literally get you imprisoned.

Eh, it's not the same to me. Progressives lie to manipulate and trick people, because they view language as a tool for trickery. Your typical right winger adopts the post-ironic "is he serious, is he not serious" attitude as a defense mechanism against a progressive society that will censor him, expel him, fire him, close his bank accounts, or even jail him for having the wrong opinion. Feigning a comedic attitude is oftentimes an effective means to avoid those negative outcomes. I do not view the behaviors as the same, as one is a weapon wielded for malice, and the other is a shield to protect from a society that wants to crush him. I hate dishonesty, but I also recognize that it is sometimes necessary, as well.

That is definitely true. I think that political thought is just way too complex to cram into "good direction, bad direction", and as such, it seems that many people who are part of a political group don't actually buy into it, thus they end up with a sportsball "I support red team!" mentality. What is a "conservative"? Is it someone who supports immigration, diversity, welfare, and globalism, or is it someone who wants to preserve their nation's demographics, prosperity, and sovereignty? To the modern zeitgeist, the "conservative" is both, despite these being mutually exclusive schools of thought, and we expect these people to support the same political team. Oftentimes, I have less in common with a Republican than I do a Democrat, despite ostensibly being a "Republican", for whatever that is worth.

Regardless, I appreciate a serious response.
 
Can anyone tell me what the watamelon thing was?
unless @Daddy's Angry Juice was banned for a reason beyond just annoying Dear Feeder that I'm not aware of. But looking at his page nobody brings up a hidden DM chain where he shares furry feetpix, nobody says anything about him credibly threatening someone with real life violence, nor anything about how it's okay to date 14 year olds because they did so in medieval times.
I'm afraid i'm going to have to fact check. this is what he said that was so outrageous he just had to go

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Eh, it's not the same to me. Progressives lie to manipulate and trick people, because they view language as a tool for trickery. Your typical right winger adopts the post-ironic "is he serious, is he not serious" attitude as a defense mechanism against a progressive society that will censor him, expel him, fire him, close his bank accounts, or even jail him for having the wrong opinion. Feigning a comedic attitude is oftentimes an effective means to avoid those negative outcomes. I do not view the behaviors as the same, as one is a weapon wielded for malice, and the other is a shield to protect from a society that wants to crush him. I hate dishonesty, but I also recognize that it is sometimes necessary, as well.
I would argue that this is a prime example of what I'm talking about. This could very easily be a leftist argument about how right wingers obfuscate and humiliate because they view language as a tool for power, the left conceals the true depth of their beliefs as a form of learned helplessness, and how it's not the same as the dagger-hidden-in-fluff doublespeak of the right, the heccin chuds only do it because they're demons nazis. In fact, I'm fairly certain that there is a leftist argument for using deception to protect yourself from an oppressive authority and I just can't remember what it is exactly or where I saw it.

Again, adopting the "it's just a prank bro" attitude out of a fear of having your rights revoked might be true for you and even people you know personally, but I've long suffered under the misapprehension that everyone who shares beliefs with me shares my conception of morality, only to find their ethos can be summed up as "no bad tactics, only bad targets".
Can anyone tell me what the watamelon thing was?
A stupid vtuber meme that some people coughcoughlidldripcoughcough thought was some kind of weird pedophile lolicon thing when it was just a shitpost. Naturally, learning that it upset people led to more people wanting to spam it.
 
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Also, if you want certain kinds of changes, maybe try putting your money where your mouth is? I bet financially supporting Null would make him more inclined to consider your opinion than insulting him for not banning people. There's even a new policy for people who donate to nominate topics to be featured; you can be the change you want to see in the world!
I will genuinely kill myself before giving even a single peso to an Internet forum admin. How you can even suggest that without vomiting all over your keyboard is beyond me. It's like telling someone to donate to the government.
 
100% of people I've came across IRL that goes Orwell this and Orwell that never read any of the books they're claiming to cite.
i agree with this so much. they will blather on about 1984 but if you bring up anything like homage to catalonia, such, such were the joys, or even the road to wigan pier, they just look at you like a deer in the headlights.

anthony burgess has received the same treatment, it would seem..everyone loves a clockwork orange, but never mind the amazing witty and hilarious enderby series, borderline obsession with james joyce , or that he wrote childrens books even :story: (sorry for rambling, i LOVE to read and when i saw your post, i had to say something, because i agree 100 percent)
 
I would argue that this is a prime example of what I'm talking about. This could very easily be a leftist argument about how right wingers obfuscate and humiliate because they view language as a tool for power, the left conceals the true depth of their beliefs as a form of learned helplessness, and how it's not the same as the dagger-hidden-in-fluff doublespeak of the right, the heccin chuds only do it because they're demons nazis. In fact, I'm fairly certain that there is a leftist argument for using deception to protect yourself from an oppressive authority and I just can't remember what it is exactly or where I saw it.
Well, the difference here is that my argument is based off of what actually happens to right wingers when they have the wrong opinions, whereas theirs is based in histrionics and lies. My argument does not need heavy handed censorship to work, but theirs does. For example, progressives do not need to fear censorship, expulsion, being fired, having their bank accounts closed, or even being jailed for having the wrong opinion. How many progressives have been jailed in the UK, for example, for shitting on Whites? Quite a few got it for shitting on browns. How many progressives have lost awards for shitting on Whites? Who is their version of the scientist James Watson, who got blacklisted from academia for saying Whites are genetically predisposed to being stupid? Who is their version of Sam Hyde, getting his show canceled because he supported Biden? I do not think anyone could honestly say that progressives have any reason to fear social, legal, or economic reprisal for speaking their mind the way that right wingers do. Why is it that Oprah Winfrey and Whoopie Goldberg can crap all over Whites constantly, but Kanye West has his business empire ruined once he starts asking the Jewish Question? Hell, there was a big push to kick Chris Pratt out of Hollywood just because he was a White man who attends church. That's it. He didn't even have to say anything!

Not to mention Charlie Kirk, as if anyone forgot about the neocon centrist getting shot in the throat for extremely normal and basic opinions that half the nation shares.

So no man, I do not view it as the same. If progressives can somehow explain to me all of the times they get immediately and thoroughly punished by every single institution for their views, then I would be willing to hear them out and consider them having a basis for dishonesty. Barring that, I fundamentally disagree with the idea that they are the same thing. Maybe back in the McCarthy era they could make that argument, but now? I do not think so.

I will genuinely kill myself before giving even a single peso to an Internet forum admin. How you can even suggest that without vomiting all over your keyboard is beyond me. It's like telling someone to donate to the government.
I do not think there's anything wrong for paying for a product that you use frequently. If you don't care, then don't pay.
 
Well, the difference here is that my argument is based off of what actually happens to right wingers when they have the wrong opinions, whereas theirs is based in histrionics and lies. My argument does not need heavy handed censorship to work, but theirs does. For example, progressives do not need to fear censorship, expulsion, being fired, having their bank accounts closed, or even being jailed for having the wrong opinion. How many progressives have been jailed in the UK, for example, for shitting on Whites? Quite a few got it for shitting on browns. How many progressives have lost awards for shitting on Whites? Who is their version of the scientist James Watson, who got blacklisted from academia for saying Whites are genetically predisposed to being stupid? Who is their version of Sam Hyde, getting his show canceled because he supported Biden? I do not think anyone could honestly say that progressives have any reason to fear social, legal, or economic reprisal for speaking their mind the way that right wingers do. Why is it that Oprah Winfrey and Whoopie Goldberg can crap all over Whites constantly, but Kanye West has his business empire ruined once he starts asking the Jewish Question? Hell, there was a big push to kick Chris Pratt out of Hollywood just because he was a White man who attends church. That's it. He didn't even have to say anything!

Not to mention Charlie Kirk, as if anyone forgot about the neocon centrist getting shot in the throat for extremely normal and basic opinions that half the nation shares.

So no man, I do not view it as the same. If progressives can somehow explain to me all of the times they get immediately and thoroughly punished by every single institution for their views, then I would be willing to hear them out and consider them having a basis for dishonesty. Barring that, I fundamentally disagree with the idea that they are the same thing. Maybe back in the McCarthy era they could make that argument, but now? I do not think so.
I think that's because of a difference in the way the left and right view governance. Stay with me on this because I think it's a bit of a stretch.
The right I would say generally believes that a community should police itself, in its mildest forms using gatekeeping, guilt and shame to punish or ostracize wrongdoers, and militias and vigilante justice at its most extreme. While the left uses these sorts of measures too, they generally believe much more in the rule of institutions, so in their view these institutions are responsible for punishing wrongdoers by chilling them out and not platforming them at the mildest and punishing them legally and deplatforming them at the extreme. I would argue that social pressure can be as damaging as going straight for the wallet. We are social animals after all, and being shunned can genuinely fuck you up psychologically,

That being said, using legal means to fuck with your political rivals is all fucked up and continues to be fucked up where it rears its head. That was all meant to be more of an explanation than an excuse. I'll be honest, being deplatformed for rightoid wrongthink has become less and less of an issue in recent years (in the US at least. Cuckada, the UK and Ozzyland are fucked) to the point I actually forgot it was an issue. I must be underslept. That or the microplastics have finally breached my blood-brain barrier.

On the bright side, I think even elements in the left are staring to question the assumptions of the entrenched leftist zeitgeist (only using this word because I don't know what else to call it). Even some people who believe Trans Rights Are Human Rights™ and think AAVE is a real language are waking up to the obvious hypocrisy of privileged assholes crying oppression from their McMansions and their syndicated TV shows. I'd even go as far as to ask if you can even really call the modern whig history crony socialism that is the left in the West "left" anymore and not just an ideological Ship of Theseus.
 
Can anyone tell me what the watamelon thing was?
Come nerevar, allow me to explain.

lol, yes like Tablet County explained, it's basically just a meme that is a pun. Here is the thread about it.
 
Again, unless @Daddy's Angry Juice was banned for a reason beyond just annoying Dear Feeder that I'm not aware of
DAJ was banned because he purposefully went out of his way to piss off Null. He literally did just wake up one morning and intentionally said he was choosing violence for whatever reason.
 
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