Debate rando[Numbers] about AI (or something) - Certified Sperg Contaiment Thread

[Colon capital V]

"Engineers" aren’t engineers, they don’t even qualify as skilled labor.

You talkin' mad shit lil crackka?

 

[Jobama]

All AI usage is Indian coded. No exceptions.

 

[Grub]

or writing basic english

Prompting literally is writing basic English.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I don't what the fuck you're talking about, but I'm glad your keyboard is working.

If you’re not old enough to remember one of the most overused memes from one of the biggest shows of its day, you shouldn’t be on here.


Come everyone, laugh at the youngfag.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

Anyone who calls "prompting" a skill is retarded.

The real skill is the mind's eye and the creativity required to drive any artistic endeavor. And the photo editing experience and learned experience of utilizing these AI tools (If you were unaware, there are many inventive tools you can integrate into local AI workflows to do virtually anything with.) to effectively portray your ideas. Anyone can depict an object with a pencil same as they can with an AI, but it takes true talent to make anything compelling with any set of tools, be it a pencil, canvas, digital art, AI, or even a team of professional artists working under your lead. AI is not a replacement for talent, same as how a digital art program isn't a replacement for talent. Every medium has its quirks, its techniques, its purpose, and its uses. Saying that utilizing AI in any way makes it automatically not art is as insane as saying using a synthesizer automatically makes it not music.

But yeah on the other hand LLMs in the hands of retards, schizophrenics, Indians, and boomers thinking it can be used as a substitute for previously well-established institutions is a recipe for disaster. The market will stabilize eventually as the AI fad dies and it finds its rightful place, but some people are clearly too enamored by the fancy technological mirror that talks back to you for their own good.

 

[Super Mario Brothers]

I don't know, seeing how AI has made "creatives" completely lose their shit makes it all worth it. The same people that used to quote South Park's "THEY TOOK OUR JOBS" when people cried about automation replacing workers are now the ones crying, and when you tell them "DEY TOOK ER JERBS" or "lol learn to code" they screech that it's completely different. Learn to panhandle, faggots.

If you’re not old enough to remember one of the most overused memes from one of the biggest shows of its day, you shouldn’t be on here.


Come everyone, laugh at the youngfag.

Ironically South Park had already parodied the "AI took our jobs" and "learn a trade" a while ago... hadn't watched South Park in a while. I think it was in the same season with the "banned in China episode."

As for AI itself, I got tired of being angry about it and moved on... ironically AI bros have seethed at actual talented people like artists and such as well. I have skills AI bros can never have...

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Proompting is a skill if someone can be better at it than others.

 

[YautjaWeeb]

No doubt it's being used. I use Gemini more than Google search. Or expect an AI summary at the top of search.

Does this new search capability mean robots will be pegging you tomorrow? That makes no sense.

A new tech is not automatically equivalent to revolution. People need to learn the tell the difference between marketing and real world results.

Among researchers it's well accepted that LLMs peaked awhile ago.

But because of the marketing of startups, people think text generators will replace them. And what's weird, this is my point, they are taking that and trying to make it a self fulfilling prophecy.

Someone invented a new dildo and half the population bent over and said, "Ok rape me."

AI doesn't have to be LLMs, as much as I hesitate to change the subject from these repeat overtures of sodomy.

Even just dumping hardened and half baked networked LLMs into physically manifested drones and robots alone, the applications are endless with price tags starting at $2k per bot for replacing humans. The evil and anti-human applications like military are also endless.

Is there going to be much for the consoomer segment that seems to be chaffing you, probably not. But not everyone is making their AI plans and developments public.

Watch it sneak it's way into law and healthcare.

Supposedly a lot of GPT5 is focused on healthcare, or at least creating that impression for the stock market.

 

[DumbDude43]

I suspect you don't like agile because you've never worked in a professional environment? Just these bullshit small companies that have stand-ups and throw around 3 word tickets and poorly written Google docs?

relatively large company but the software business is only a minor part of it so it does feel like a small company yeah
'agile' here feels like a cargo cult, the people pushing and enforcing it here can't really explain how or why it's supposed to create benefits for the team either, daily scrum sessions are mandatory but devoid of substance, nothing gets done there and i have yet to see anybody gaining any form of insight from them

about the comparison to other professions (truck driving, plumbing, etc) - those are longer established, way better understood, and more clear-cut than software, so agreeing on standards that make sense is relatively easy.
in software, like you said, tons of people have no real idea what is going on, and the people who think they know what's up can barely agree on anything. depending on who succeeds in politicking their way into the standards committees, we could very well end up with some detached wannabe academic using the cert system to force every dev to learn haskell, or some rustranny declaring that C is obsolete and everyone has to do borrow checking from now on.
i don't think that there exist similar disagreements among drivers about how to properly handle a truck, or among plumbers about how to properly connect pipe fittings.

 

[Raven of the Burning God]

People are legit using it for therapy.

They are legit using it for companionship.

ELIZA is from 1964.
Ecclesiastes 1:9

It's true, AI prompting is NOT a skill and using AI does NOT make you an artist. AI will NOT ever replace real art.

It's true, photographing is NOT a skill and using cameras does NOT make you an artist. Cameras will NOT ever replace real art.
Ecclesiastes 1:9

 

[rando[Numbers]]

relatively large company but the software business is only a minor part of it so it does feel like a small company yeah
'agile' here feels like a cargo cult, the people pushing and enforcing it here can't really explain how or why it's supposed to create benefits for the team either, daily scrum sessions are mandatory but devoid of substance, nothing gets done there and i have yet to see anybody gaining any form of insight from them

about the comparison to other professions (truck driving, plumbing, etc) - those are longer established, way better understood, and more clear-cut than software, so agreeing on standards that make sense is relatively easy.
in software, like you said, tons of people have no real idea what is going on, and the people who think they know what's up can barely agree on anything. depending on who succeeds in politicking their way into the standards committees, we could very well end up with some detached wannabe academic using the cert system to force every dev to learn haskell, or some rustranny declaring that C is obsolete and everyone has to do borrow checking from now on.
i don't think that there exist similar disagreements among drivers about how to properly handle a truck, or among plumbers about how to properly connect pipe fittings.

Sorry dude, but your whole energy tells me you're exactly the kind of person I'm talking about. If you seriously think SWE doesn't have established standards and your reasoning for that goes into some bullshit details about programming languages... you probably shouldn't be in this industry and you can be replaced by garbage AI.

 

[rando[Numbers]]

E=mc2 + AI is the most LinkedIn thing I've seen since the last time I logged into LinkedIn.

 

[irishAzoth]

go off king
fuck all clanker content, everything about LLMs so far are mid at best

 

[BiggestKai]

AI's fine as a concept, it needs improvement but the technology is relatively fine as far as computer generated stuff goes.
What fucking sucks is these retards generating nothing but trash out of it and then flooding the internet with said trash without so much as a second look at what it is they're generating.

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The video title for this was "Top 10 Best Puzzle Games You Must Try in 2025 (PC)".

 

[The Ugly One]

this is something that you really do NOT want to be a reality.
you know first hand what type of people have control and influence in the industry. do you really want to hand them more power to enforce their ideas as legally binding standards and certification?
cause lets be real, an official certification for SWE would most likely end up pushing shit like agile/scrum culture even more than it already is, and entrench that shit in the industry forever.

A PE license wouldn't be a bad thing. Having somebody who actually is trained in things like SOLID principles and knows what a unit test is signing off that he, personally takes responsibility for having verified that the released product follows those principles, doesn't use design antipatterns, and has gone through proper testing would raise the quality of software for entities that demand it (mostly enterprises). It doesn't necessarily have to be government-driven, but some kind of independent standards board for driving certification could work.

also, minor pet peeve of mine: i don't like the term 'software engineer' period. we're not engineers, we don't do any actual engineering,

Designing something to be used without breaking all the time is engineering. It's not about tolerances.

AI's fine as a concept, it needs improvement but the technology is relatively fine as far as computer generated stuff goes.

Statistical autocomplete with no concept of correctness is conceptually broken as a code generation engine. Code needs to be actually correct, it doesn't need to visually approximate code that has been written to do similar tasks.

 

[rando[Numbers]]

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Non-government standardization already exists. This is why I bring up IEEE and SWEBOK. It's exactly what they've been pushing for since the 1990's while ACM takes the stance that non should exist with the same lame arguments that tech evolves.... we KNOW.

Are you going to say that the construction industry doesn't evolve? That OSHA standards don't change or laws aren't changing every minute of the day?

Read SWEBOK and you see how basic and generalized it is, but still manages to cover topics that most developers don't understand. But that is minimum knowledge.

I think it should be regulated by the fact that some people need to have licenses taken away. And that there should be a formal definition and entry to what a software engineer is.

It doesn't have to be hard, you don't have to continuously update tests to ensure half of people fail like AWS does, but SWE even at the lowest level isn't for the average gooner. Those people need to be filtered out, and we need to ensure people have to renew certification continuously instead of riding on maintenance mode giving more work to contractors or causing high turnover rates.

 

[The Ugly One]

Non-government standardization already exists. This is why I bring up IEEE and SWEBOK. It's exactly what they've been pushing for since the 1990's while ACM takes the stance that non should exist with the same lame arguments that tech evolves.... we KNOW.

Are you going to say that the construction industry doesn't evolve? That OSHA standards don't change or laws aren't changing every minute of the day?

Read SWEBOK and you see how basic and generalized it is, but still manages to cover topics that most developers don't understand. But that is minimum knowledge.

I think it should be regulated by the fact that some people need to have licenses taken away. And that there should be a formal definition and entry to what a software engineer is.

It doesn't have to be hard, you don't have to continuously update tests to ensure half of people fail like AWS does, but SWE even at the lowest level isn't for the average gooner. Those people need to be filtered out, and we need to ensure people have to renew certification continuously instead of riding on maintenance mode giving more work to contractors or causing high turnover rates.

Most jeets would be unable to pass a software version of the FE exam. Other engineering fields aren't exactly jeet-free, but you can't vibe-code your way through the FE exam.

 

[rando[Numbers]]

Most jeets would be unable to pass a software version of the FE exam. Other engineering fields aren't exactly jeet-free, but you can't vibe-code your way through the FE exam.

Exactly. Or they wouldn't bother trying just because it means study.

 

[Nicholas Gur]

I like AI because it might be push rational people finally need to help me dismantle the physical internet infrastructure.

 

[We Are The Witches]

Proompting is a skill if someone can be better at it than others.

You may be right, but do you know what also is a skill, if we go by those standards? Knowing when to write "its" as opposed to "it's", or "to" instead of "too".

The point is that what they claim to be experts on, is nothing more than having the most bare levels of literacy, levels that even a child could easily achieve and surpass.