debate homeschooling with BP posters - a diversion from tard baby general

[HeyYou]

I literally stated that they had access to private tutors—who were professionally trained to teach—which is not the equivalent of homeschooling.

You said “most of the US population” was homeschooled but are specifically only looking at a paragraph about the upper class.

The lower classes was not homeschooled in any sense because
1. There were no adults with free time to sit around and teach children
2. The adults themselves were not educated and therefore could not educate

Modern homeschooling does occasionally have tutors lmao, it's still homeschooling. Many of the Founders were directly taught by parents, Franklin most notably. Other Founders were directly taught by parents in several subject areas while having tutors in others. I'd also recommend you look up the word "even" when deciphering the sentence "even for the upper classes." If we only include literate adults as "educated," the majority of the US population was still taught to read at home, as I've already mentioned. This is just outright undeniable.

 

[!Felid_Transmuter!?]

I have some extreme reservations about letting my kids be influenced by their peers after sifting through an iota of their brain rot.
It's not just the teachers you have to worry about unfortunately.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Modern homeschooling does occasionally have tutors lmao, it's still homeschooling. Many of the Founders were directly taught by parents, Adams and Franklin most notably. Other Founders were directly taught by parents in several subject areas while having tutors in others. I'd also recommend you look up the word "even" when deciphering the sentence "even for the upper classes." If we only include literate adults as "educated," the majority of the US population was still taught to read at home, as I've already mentioned. This is just outright undeniable.

Saying “muh founding fathers did it” over and over again isn’t some giant win.

These are people from the same generation that didn’t bath, hadn’t discovered germ theory and thought allowing Jews to peddle niggers to other Jewish plantation owners was a good idea.

 

[Neodanthril]

> muh social skills
Public School advocates always resort to this line of argumentation without ever actually defining it, much less present accompanying data.

 

[HeyYou]

Saying “muh founding fathers did it” over and over again isn’t some giant win.

These are people from the same generation that didn’t bath, hadn’t discovered germ theory and thought allowing Jews to peddle niggers to other Jewish plantation owners was a good idea.

It is a win unless you can seriously argue that they and middle-class (or even lower-class) Americans in the early republic were somehow improperly socialized as a result of the basic institution of homeschooling. As I said, the data on performance metrics is not going to help any claim you make that modern homeschooling somehow makes those kids outright stupid.

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

I am sorry, BP, but you must first be wed before seriously discussing homeschooling.

 

[Harry Dresden]

As someone who was homeschooled, I mostly agree with the Beauty Parlor gals. I think homeschooling is very often bad for kids because it heavily relies on the parents. You can either be born with math teachers for parents and go to Harvard like those child geniuses, or you can have neglectful parents that don't bother to teach you anything. In my case, I wasn't taught past the first or second grade; I never learned math beyond 2 plus 2, and I was never taught proper grammar or history. My mom would never pass a teacher's exam. Not to mention, I was constantly isolated beyond the one homeschool group I did. I never played organized sports or had any social opportunities like making new friends and hanging out at people's houses, and I never got the freedom and independence almost every other kid my age had; I basically missed out on my entire childhood, and now I don't even have a driver's license or any way to escape my mom. I'm completely miserable, and homeschooling enabled my mom's neglect.

In public school, everybody gets the same opportunities. Sure, it's not perfect; you have the famed "wokeness" in schools and teachers raping kids and every other issue people bring up with school, like bullying, and while it has its issues, I think it's still good for kids because, for one thing, kids learn to overcome their struggles and do things they don't want to do, like waking up early and sticking to a schedule, but also because a kid from an abusive family can get an education. Make friends and move away to college, mostly prepared for the real world and not be completely sheltered from it If they went to public school vs. homeschool, that same kid might not even learn how to read, not to mention the fact that Parents need to make an extra effort to make sure their kids are socialized and not completely isolated. If my parents didn't sign me up for that youth group when I was a kid, I would have literally never talked to anybody except my family, and even then most of my friendships didn't last.

I would also like to add that most homeschool stats like the one Op cited suffer from convenience sampling, which means only the successful families submit their tests, so you don't see the poor test scores from unschooled van-life kids as opposed to public school, where every score is submitted, meaning failing students are documented. So this creates the false perception that homeschool kids are far ahead of public school kids and that everybody who homeschools is better off. Who cares if you ignore all the examples of kids being abused and neglected with no legal recourse that are well documented? Heck, it's legal to not teach your kid how to read or the ABCs as long as you say it's homeschooling. To say that everybody who homeschools is better off is a flat-out lie. Just because you had a bad experience in public school doesn't mean homeschool is sunshine and rainbows, and yes, I do concede that successful homeschool happens, but far too often homeschool parents neglect their kids' education, and we have no laws in place that could prevent bad homeschool parents from abusing their kids as opposed to public school kids having trusted guardians who can call CPS if kids are abused.

TLDR: Homeschooling is bad in most cases. Send your kid to a public or private school instead.

 

[FarmVille]

The data consistently supports homeschoolers being generally high-achievers.

Again, there is no data on this. Home school advocates actively fight against being forced to participate in any kind of assessments. Only three states require any kind of documentation of what children are learning.


Any “data” will have been voluntarily solicited which is not a way to measure populations.

> muh social skills
Public School advocates always resort to this line of argumentation without ever actually defining it, much less present accompanying data.

Lol a poster on kiwifarms is going to act like they know anything about social skills.

Modern homeschooling does occasionally have tutors lmao, it's still homeschooling. Many of the Founders were directly taught by parents, Franklin most notably. Other Founders were directly taught by parents in several subject areas while having tutors in others

I don’t consider upper class tutoring the forefather of modern homeschooling.

 

[FarmVille]

Several states also financial benefits for homeschooling which encourages the unemployable to pull their kids out of school for the government bucks.

 

[HeyYou]

Any “data” will have been voluntarily solicited which is not a way to measure populations.

Self-selection bias is a problem with the social sciences in general and can be managed in multiple ways. If we're hand-waving all studies looking at homeschooling on generalities like that someone could equally argue NCLB contributed to higher public school scores, which I don't think would be fair either. The only major study that I'm aware of that came to the conclusion that homeschooling has demonstrably worse outcomes also found that it was mostly non-religious homeschooling that had deficits while religious based homeschooling did not, which is the opposite of the usual perception of homeschooling funnily enough.

 

[i440BX]

I wish I had the option to be homeschooled, because I disliked high school and middle school. I always ended up either learning at home or getting help from my parents during middle school. I could never memorize anything during classes. Also public school wouldnt have prepared me enough for math and programming.

I had to waste a lot of time on bullshit homework that didnt help me.

But I also understand we need to keep the option of either private or public schools since some children have either incompetent or shitty parents.

But homeschooling should remain legal. Its sad to see many here shitting on homeschooling when for some children it could work.
And I am honestly concerned by the propaganda in modern day western schools. Like UK.

 

[AirMail]

I don't have any strong feelings about home schooling either way. But this might be a good time to recommend this documentary about schooling. It goes over some of the history of schooling, the modern situation, the future, ect.

Even if you don't think you want to know the information, or think you already know the information, you should still watch it because it's interesting and well made and entertaining, quite apart from its information value.

It's called School Inc, and it's on youtube.

School Inc. Episode 1: The Price of Excellence
School Inc. Episode 2: Push or Pull
School Inc. Episode 3: Forces and Choices

 

[Jemn Oopi]

I was homeschooled through seventh grade (by my nonreligious mother who was dumb but bought a lot of workbooks and encouraged my brainy hobbies), and I am smart but autistic. My brother was homeschooled through sixth grade (by the same woman), and he is sociable but dumb. The obvious conclusion is that homeschooling should be mandatory until halfway through seventh grade and banned thereafter.

Every school has a bunch of socially maladjusted children, so if schooling was supposed to fix that problem it clearly doesn't work. Chris chan did not become well socialized from going to school, for example, and there are always multiple children like that in every class. Most of the people with threads are a product of the public school system. It is amazing to me that you assume you would have learned social skills at school instead of being relentlessly bullied like so many other kids.

Without going into a powerleveling spiral, I will just say I was home schooled from kindergarten to college. It can be successful. I've managed to inkle out a fairly successful and stable life and am now an old retard myself with a couple of my own retards.

I also want to add, my parents were not the ultra religious fundie types that most people equate to their idea of a homeschooling family. My parents also used a school curriculum and frequented teacher supply stores for concurrent materials.

This.

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

Public school toughens you up.

Oh so your deadbeat dad or slag mum home-schooled you then?

Explains why you're an obese spineless retard.

 

[Sneed's Feed n Seed]

I’ve known multiple adults who were homeschooled.

1. Kicked out of the house for having a vape. Fell in with the wrong crowd because that’s the only people who’d take him in. Developed a drug and alcohol problem.
2. Became an only fans whore with a drug habit.
3. Is a morbidly obese NEET.
4. The last one is completely normal. Joined the Marines when he was 18 and basically got as far away from his family as he could.

When you overly shelter your children you set them up for failure.

I know publicly schooled people who did exactly the same. lol.

 

[harbringer883]

now I don't even have a driver's license or any way to escape my mom. I'm completely miserable, and homeschooling enabled my mom's neglect.

This seems very self inflicted.


Either way I dont think there is a definitive answer to the homeschooling question. There will always be kids who either trive or fail in it, same for public/private school. Personally, I think school teaches you about the real world and how to interact with people you don't necessarily like, and lets be realistic, going there probably provides you a better education that at least 75% of homeschooling cases.

 

[DefinitelyNotMe]

idk man
homeschooling sounds like trying to create perfect conditions for a kid to opperate in, which does sound good until you realise that theres no perfect conditions otside of it anywhere.
So i am afraid that kids that are homeschooled will be like those zoo animals that cannot suvive in the wild despite of them being healthy and physically well.
kids kinda have to face some shit, getting bullied, seeing shit teachers and stuff to figure out how to deal with them

 

[Tram Fan]

Again, there is no data on this. Home school advocates actively fight against being forced to participate in any kind of assessments. Only three states require any kind of documentation of what children are learning.

Okay if this is true we can be done with the debate @sperginity. This is the main problem with homeschooling - not enough system's control. Yes, literal communism, however the main reason to homeschool is so that you can abuse your child. Obviously if you believe your child is endangered by trannies, you should be allowed to homeschool. But if you want to homeschool, so that your family has more time to participate in a weird fucking cult, then fuck no.

Spoiler: minimal explanation of this discussion for moids

, So in the Tard Baby General we have a bitch lolcow and she has 3 daughters. One is a tard however the other 2 are apparently normal not even autistic as far as we know. So this bitch has decided to "homeschool" those girls, she explicitly said she won't teach them a thing, but without school she's able to drag them across the country and abuse them mentally. And then we BP girls started to discuss homeschooling in general and we were yeeted into the mass debates, because Tard Baby General isn't a place for discussing education matters of healthy children.

Ok so Polish sperging. I'm too lazy to find Polish stats, unless you're interested, however in Poland homeschooling is regulated and the stats say that homeschooled kids do slightly worse in Polish' finals. The difference is not big, but apparently statistically significant. Polish finals consist of basic Polish, English and math, and then from at least 1 major.

Obviously it can be caused by the fact that most homeschooled kids are either sportsmen with no time for studies or autists too retarded for school. In Poland homeschooling is regulated. Your child will need to take exams however I'm not sure how often, at least once per school year, maybe more. The best way to homeschool your kid is to sign them up for "The School in a Cloud" (literal translation) "The Online School" (correct translation). It apparently creates least red tape, and then this school provides you with free online textbooks. Also textbooks are also regulated in Poland, not sure how it's in the US, but a school can choose from a few textbooks. Those textbooks are approved by the ministry and therefore they contain proper material (proper according to the ministry's standards ofc you can argue sometimes). Main causes of homeschooling in Poland: severe disabilities such us immunocompressions (cancer etc.) or depression, then sports and also being abused by teachers at school. Or other students ofc.

Pros: some people don't leave in major cities (shocking I know) and they have very limited school options. Sometimes only 1 school in a reasonable vicinity or literally 40 minutes or more drive by bus. Do you want your kid to spend 1.5h+ on a bus 5 times a week? And sometimes the school is abusive. It can be kids but it can be teachers too. The example I'm always bringing is when a FUCKING PRINCIPAL made a student in highschool cut his hair before being allowed in the school grounds, because the student was a male and long hair are womanly. Seriously. This principal was accused of something idk in the past, but didn't have his teaching rights taken away, so they kept him there, what the fucking fuck. I'm not even talking of teachers teaching tolerance for the LGBTQ+ bullshit.
The second pros is that with overburdened teachers sometimes you can do better than them. For example we in Poland lack teachers, so they might be allowed to do 2 subjects, and they might not be as knowledgeable in the second subject. Or the class might be so retarded that no teaching is being done i.e. your class is half a year behind in the math material. There have been cases of retarded kids being sent to normal schools and ruining classes. The teacher has no way of controlling an ADHD kid after an energy drink.


Cons: you fucking have to discipline your kid somehow. If your kid isn't naturally ambitious then you have a problem. The second problem is that it enables abuse, even with Polish regulations.

Socialization is no argument to me. Why? Because at schools at least Polish schools you don't really socialize. Maybe a bit. Classes are 45 minutes long lectures and then you have 5 minutes long break and you have to run to the other end of the school for the next class and so on. Sometimes you have a longer break, but no longer than 20 minutes, and then you can socialize a bit.

So finally my opinion is that it depends. Sometimes you have no option.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Saying “muh founding fathers did it” over and over again isn’t some giant win.

These are people from the same generation that didn’t bath, hadn’t discovered germ theory and thought allowing Jews to peddle niggers to other Jewish plantation owners was a good idea.

You should not homeschool.

"Founding Fathers" era was mid/late 18th century. At the time of the Revolutionary War, there were all of 1-3k Jews (0.1% of the population). They were concentrated in New York, Newport, Philly, Charleston, and Savannah. By the time of the Civil War (> 75 years later, not the era of the Founding Fathers) there were about 150k total (0.5%). Jewish plantation owners comprised about 1.25% of plantation owners.

Unhook from the obsession.