debate homeschooling with BP posters - a diversion from tard baby general

[sperginity]

outside of a few environmental factors like malnourishment or brain damage, your child's level of retardation is almost entirely due to genetics. School doesn't factor in at all. Retarded kids stay retarded even if you teach them all day every day, smart children remain bright even if you try to keep them down.

home schooling takes about an hour a day to cover the same material, which makes sense since schools have to teach dozens of kids at once instead of just a few. That kind of a short cut does not exist for sports practice, so many parents of athletically inclined children choose home school for that reason. It is a fantasy to think a public school teacher would ever be the difference between her kids being smart & educated or not.

The posts that started the debate^^^^^


farmville in response to "no one is saying homeschool is always bad"

I’m saying that.

As early as preschool you can see which kids have been socializing outside of their immediate family and which haven’t.

Success as an adult is ~40% intelligence ~60% social skills. That is why home schooled kids end up fucked even if they adequately learn the same curriculum.

Success as an adult is intelligence + conscientiousness, the second thing is an inborn personality trait that can't be increased or decreased at will. Since being able to learn is what intelligence is, a smart person who needs to improve their social skills for whatever reason will go out and do so.

Home schooled kids succeed more often on every possible metric, so I don't know what you mean by "fucked up".

PL: was homeschooled, this is absolutely true. I had to re-socialize myself as an adult, basically like taking a shelter dog and re-socializing them to be able to live a normal life, and it was grueling and I'm still not entirely 'with it' on social interactions. Homeschooling fucks kids up forever, even if they get a decent education.

Every school has a bunch of socially maladjusted children, so if schooling was supposed to fix that problem it clearly doesn't work. Chris chan did not become well socialized from going to school, for example, and there are always multiple children like that in every class. Most of the people with threads are a product of the public school system. It is amazing to me that you assume you would have learned social skills at school instead of being relentlessly bullied like so many other kids.

 

[oldTireWater]

Sorry, wrong door. I was looking for the "Debate Homeless with BPD Posters" thread.

 

[rel=alternate]

Homeschooling might be preferable to alternatives in some areas.

However, I would personally always go private rather than homeschool. Even if I have to go a school that does not technically have accreditation (it does not really matter anyway as long as you can pass the national exams).

No matter how much parents wants to tell you how many occasions their kids had to socialize in the past week, you know it's not the same.

Hell, putting a kid through school at 3, you can immediately see the difference it makes in them when it comes to speech.

I'd rather not raise weirdos. But also not trannies so I can kind of see where some people are coming from.

 

[Taser Confetti]

I’ve known multiple adults who were homeschooled.

1. Kicked out of the house for having a vape. Fell in with the wrong crowd because that’s the only people who’d take him in. Developed a drug and alcohol problem.
2. Became an only fans whore with a drug habit.
3. Is a morbidly obese NEET.
4. The last one is completely normal. Joined the Marines when he was 18 and basically got as far away from his family as he could.

When you overly shelter your children you set them up for failure.

 

[HeyYou]

Homeschooling was the norm for most of American history and it was especially common on the frontier where those homeschooled kids might be even more isolated than homeschooled kids today. Bad homeschooling probably does contribute to bad social skills in kids but it most certainly doesn't inherently cause it and the actual data (not anecdotal evidence) doesn't support such a claim. As with bad socialization at public and private schools it probably depends on a billion factors.

 

[FarmVille]

Home schooled kids succeed more often on every possible metric, so I don't know what you mean by "fucked up".

Homeschooling strikes again.

There is no organization out there tracking what happens to children who are home schooled. Any chart you’re pulling out of your butt is going to come from voluntary survey data.

This is the kind of stuff you might have learned in school.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Homeschooling was the norm for most of American history and it was especially common on the frontier

No it wasn’t. Many people spent their entire lives illiterate and they hired the woman in town who could read to operate the schoolhouse as soon as they could. Even the puritans prioritized education and that’s why they historically had the highest literacy rate (hard to be a religious fundamentalist when you can’t read the Bible).

 

[HeyYou]

No it wasn’t. Many people spent their entire lives illiterate and they hired the woman in town who could read to operate the schoolhouse as soon as they could. Even the puritans prioritized education and that’s why they historically had the highest literacy rate (hard to be a religious fundamentalist when you can’t read the Bible).

Complete BS: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1085568?sid=primo&seq=6. Even all the wealthy early Americans like the Founding Fathers who eventually ended up at Latin Grammar Schools (which was the overwhelming minority) only started there at 8 and were homeschooled up until then. Richard's The Founders and the Classics goes into this. Some towns had schools and some groups like the Puritans (who you conveniently ignore were a complete minority of the American population) prioritized public schooling but regardless the experience for the vast majority of the population was total homeschooling or partway homeschooling. Literacy and education are not necessarily intertwined, especially when you consider that for many jobs in early America you didn't necessarily need to be literate and needed other skills to do your job correctly. And regardless, many literate Americans were still taught to read at home.

 

[Forprexxer]

On the one hand, I'm homeschooled, so it must be Aryan, but on the other hand if public schools didn't exist then we wouldn't have so many awesome animes and games about them.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Complete BS: https://www.jstor.org/stable/1085568?sid=primo&seq=6. Even all the wealthy early Americans like the Founding Fathers who eventually ended up at Latin Grammar Schools (which was the overwhelming minority) only started there at 8 and were homeschooled up until then. Richard's The Founders and the Classics goes into this. Some towns had schools and some groups like the Puritans (who you conveniently ignore were a complete minority of the American population) prioritized public schooling but regardless the experience for the vast majority of the population was total homeschooling or partway homeschooling. Literacy and education are not necessarily intertwined, especially when you consider that for many jobs in early America you didn't necessarily need to be literate and needed other skills to do your job correctly. And regardless, many literate Americans were still taught to read at home.

Schoolhouses were some of the first buildings to be erected in a town.

>Literacy and education are not necessarily intertwined

They were shittier blacksmiths and farmers than we have now.

 

[SpiceyHuman]

My post from the other thread:
Without going into a powerless spiral, I will just say I was home schooled from kindergarten to college. It can be successful. I've managed to inkle out a fairly successful and stable life and am now an old retard myself with a couple of my own retards.

The common denominator seems to be on homeschooling parent, and the time invested in activities outside curriculum. My parents kept me in a multitude of extracurricular activities from a young age, so I was constantly socialized.

I also want to add, my parents were not the ultra religious fundie types that most people equate to their idea of a homeschooling family. My parents also used a school curriculum and frequented teacher supply stores for concurrent materials.

So yes, it can work, but I think it takes the right set of factors.

But on second thought, I did end up here on kiwi farms. So, maybe my point is invalid.

 

[HeyYou]

Schoolhouses were some of the first buildings to be erected in a town.

>Literacy and education are not necessarily intertwined

They were shittier blacksmiths and farmers than we have now.

You could just read the source I linked confirming most of the US population was homeschooled before the 20th century instead of just repeating the incorrect claim you already made.

 

[FarmVille]

You could just read the source I linked confirming most of the US population was homeschooled before the 20th century instead of just repeating the incorrect claim you already made.

Were you homeschooled?

The source you linked to said that the idea of a formal education wasn’t applied en masse until the spread of public education in the latter half of the 19th Century.

Hence Americans were not educated in the sense that we recognize today. Ie they existed without schools and learned what they needed from the adults around them, they weren’t “homeschooled.”

The founding fathers would have had access to tutors.

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

But on second thought, I did end up here on kiwi farms. So maybe my point is invalid.

I went to expensive private schools and super selective public schools and I'm still here.

You're fine.

 

[HeyYou]

Were you homeschooled?

The source you linked to said that the idea of a formal education wasn’t applied en masse until the spread of public education in the latter half of the 19th Century.

Hence Americans were not educated in the sense that we recognize today. Ie they existed without schools and learned what they needed from the adults around them, they weren’t “homeschooled.”

The founding fathers would have had access to tutors.

No, I wasn't homeschooled and I don't plan to homeschool my children. Most of us just don't rely on emotional arguments based on personal experience or anecdotes and this is one emotional argument that has never had evidence supporting it. The article explicitly states that "even for the upper classes of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries in Europe and North America, children were educated at home either by parents or by tutors." By any definition, despite your stretching, this is homeschooling. If you read anything about early American history like I have you'd also know that the Grammar Schools that most rich Americans attended exclusively taught Latin and occasionally Greek. Everything they learned about English and Arithmetic they learned from homeschooling. This argument was originally about socialization but I'd love to hear your claims that the Founders weren't proficient in English because they learned it at home.

 

[Taser Confetti]

This argument was originally about socialization but I'd love to hear your claims that the Founders weren't proficient in English because they learned it at hom

Most modern home schoolers are religious zealots attempting to groom their children into their particularly whacky brand of Evangelicalism and shield them from the horrors of Pokémon and Harry Potter.

Most of the founding fathers were descended from aristocrats and were trying to make functional members of society.

 

[HeyYou]

Most modern home schoolers are religious zealots attempting to groom their children into their particularly whacky brand of Evangelicalism and shield them from the horrors of Pokémon and Harry Potter.

Most of the founding fathers were descended from aristocrats and were trying to make functional members of society.

Yeah, that would be the bad homeschooling I mentioned earlier. Despite your emotional arguments, they're not any more prevalent than bad public schools and you're already conceding that the very idea of homeschooling is not responsible for bad socialization (or education) with this post. The data consistently supports homeschoolers being generally high-achievers.

 

[WelperHelper99]

This thread smells like cat piss and franza. Public school toughens you up.

 

[FarmVille]

I'd love to hear your claims that the Founders weren't proficient in English because they learned it at home

I literally stated that they had access to private tutors—who were professionally trained to teach—which is not the equivalent of homeschooling.

You said “most of the US population” was homeschooled but are specifically only looking at a paragraph about the upper class.

The lower classes was not homeschooled in any sense because
1. There were no adults with free time to sit around and teach children
2. The adults themselves were not educated and therefore could not educate

 

[VisceraNexus]

I suppose I'm coming at this from a slightly different angle, not one directly related to "successful education" and more related to the way homeschooling in many places seems to allow for very serious neglect and abuse to occur and be hidden for a lot longer. It's hard not to PL about it, but when you've personally seen the kids that have fallen through every crack and the parents that were only able to get away with it for as long as they did because of "homeschooling", I can't really advocate for it without caveats. Clearly in some states the regulations are tighter, but in others they're seemingly non-existent and these things can go on completely under the radar.

I just got off work and need some time to actually read about this in depth, so I'll refrain from making sweeping generalizations. I can see homeschooling being ideal for some kids and obviously the abuse and neglect I'm talking about can't be blamed on homeschooling itself, but rather the system that it exists in being flawed. Abuse and neglect happen regardless, I just have concerns about the regulations surrounding homeschooling potentially exacerbating the problem in some circumstances. I hope that I'm making sense, my brain is fried today!