Critical Role - Tabletop RPGs is serious business, man.

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FreedomMussel dijo:
You OSR?
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I mostly play and run OSR systems (currently Hyperborea) but I don't worship old school play to the point where im blinded to how poorly designed mechanics like save or die, descending AC, or level drain actually are. Modern sensibilities like advantage/disadvantage or uniform attribute mods are good things imo, but I also think mechanics like perception and persuasion really changed how the players engage in exploration and role play in a negative way.

My main issue above all is over the top high magic that's baked into the 5E system. It simulates fiction thats so far removed from classic fantasy like Conan or Elric or Lord of the rings that it's not worth it for me to try salvaging the system. The tendency of sessions becoming theatre club where the party is rail roaded through the DMs novella is also something that's become prominent in the modern gaming culture, along with some players apparently needing therapy in the event of a character death.

I wouldn't mind being a player in a 5E game so long as I knew the DM was good, but i wouldnt run it. I have in the past and it starts turning into a super hero game around level 5 or so, and the system actively works against the type of fiction that interests me.
 
MaxPayne dijo:
along with some players apparently needing therapy in the event of a character death.
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Getting upset when a make-believe character in a children’s game dies to the point of needing therapy? That sounds both absurd and disturbing.

Ironically, modern Roguelikes/“Procedural Death Labyrinths” are closer to old school styles of play. Whereas modern CRPGs with melodramatic characters that aren’t supposed to die except in story events are closer to new school styles of play (except that CRPGs are still violence sims and not barista sims). I wonder if CRPGs influenced the development of tabletop gaming into what it is now.
 
I don't know what the fuck this thing is, and I don't want to know.
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The last episode that aired on twitch was really good imo. Felt like they got the story onto the tracks and some fun shit happened! And now its a guest battle royal and I'm sad and annoyed they screwed up the story flow again.

But I'll get over it and find something else to waste my life on for a week.
 
I've mostly just been listening to this while doing other things- as I usually do for CR.

But yeah, any time I've bothered to look at the feed so far, that *thing* was always mugging for the camera, even when they weren't the person doing something.
Knowing literally nothing else about this 'person' other than the Dyke She-Ra (which I have heard about), I wouldn't at all be surprised if it was just another attention whore who went transtrender for more attention.

On an entirely different note, I'm disappointed by how shit Friedle is doing. He looks kind of stupid with facial hair, but he was still one of my favorite Batmen. (Obviously not my favorite, or even my second favorite. But he's easily in my top 10, maybe even my top 5.)
 
AuxPersonality dijo:
The last episode that aired on twitch was really good imo. Felt like they got the story onto the tracks and some fun shit happened! And now its a guest battle royal and I'm sad and annoyed they screwed up the story flow again.

But I'll get over it and find something else to waste my life on for a week.
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The amazon show was released today so they decided not to put out a C3 episode this week.
 
Dr. Pasquale dijo:
The amazon show was released today so they decided not to put out a C3 episode this week.
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As someone who only knows of Critical Role from name, I gotta say I enjoyed the Vox Machina animated series. Watched it with my younger brother, who actually follows the group.

Sure, it follows typical conventions for young adult-oriented entertainment nowadays (violence, quips, and wanton debauchery by the boatload) but it was quite fun nevertheless. It also appears to have some good writing, if nothing particularly groundbreaking. As long as they don't screw it up with the other core tenet of modern young adult-oriented entertainment - Namely, current-year sensibilities and issues with zero subtlety - it will remain worthy of following.

You may now resume your normal programming.
 
Yuuichirou Kumada dijo:
As someone who only knows of Critical Role from name, I gotta say I enjoyed the Vox Machina animated series. Watched it with my younger brother, who actually follows the group.

Sure, it follows typical conventions for young adult-oriented entertainment nowadays (violence, quips, and wanton debauchery by the boatload) but it was quite fun nevertheless. It also appears to have some good writing, if nothing particularly groundbreaking. As long as they don't screw it up with the other core tenet of modern young adult-oriented entertainment - Namely, current-year sensibilities and issues with zero subtlety - it will remain worthy of following.

You may now resume your normal programming.
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Tbf they are adapting stuff from the best only good campaign and one of the top 3 arcs. As far as the pozz goes, C1 was fairly light on it, specially compared to the amount of inclusivity bullshit going on in C2 and C3. That was back when Matt was still willing to do some edgy stuff here and there. Also, besides Gilmore, there arent many alphabet people going around, O'Brien's character was technically bissexual but that never really went anywhere.

Amazon series wise, they have racebended and changed around a few characters. From the top of my head, Uriel Tal'Dorei wasnt a black dude, and theres probably some other ethnicities changed around. They also had a contest of some sort to add in a fan made character to the show that resulted in the addition of a literal enby bull dyke.
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I havent seen it yet, but I dont expect them to go out of their way to change a lot of stuff, just remove every time they spent 30 minutes to open a door and call it a day.
 
Yuuichirou Kumada dijo:
As someone who only knows of Critical Role from name, I gotta say I enjoyed the Vox Machina animated series. Watched it with my younger brother, who actually follows the group.

Sure, it follows typical conventions for young adult-oriented entertainment nowadays (violence, quips, and wanton debauchery by the boatload) but it was quite fun nevertheless. It also appears to have some good writing, if nothing particularly groundbreaking. As long as they don't screw it up with the other core tenet of modern young adult-oriented entertainment - Namely, current-year sensibilities and issues with zero subtlety - it will remain worthy of following.

You may now resume your normal programming.
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I found it very... ADHD. There's too many characters and I don't find myself caring about any of them. The setting looks like a freakshow even by the standards of kitchen sink fantasy and nothing is explained. As with pretty much all fantasy nowadays, it looks like typical vapid transient corporate drek.

There is absolutely nothing here that will stick in my mind after watching. Disappointing, but I guess that's to be expected.
 
The animated episode was tolerable, but I only say that because everything they've posted since Campaign 1 has been a dumpster fire, or a slow landslide into a septic tank. I haven't tuned into campaign 3 yet but the opening was a huge turnoff and knowing Dyke-ra lady is involved was a huge turn off.
 
I'm not a CR fan so the VM episodes are my first introduction. Finished all three episodes released as of now and it hasn't left an impression on me. The setting is completely opaque to me. Are those... qunari? I can't tell the difference between dwarves, gnomes, and halflings, so I have no clue if they exist as distinct races. I can't tell any difference between elves and half-elves, they just seem to be humans with pointy ears. But I guess that stuff's unimportant? There's a huge tonal whiplash between the serious moments and comedy moments; they feel like completely different shows.

I've watched both seasons of DOTA, tried to watch a bunch of D&D-flavored animes... none of it leaves an impression on me. Why is animation so bland?
 
FreedomMussel dijo:
I'm not a CR fan so the VM episodes are my first introduction. Finished all three episodes released as of now and it hasn't left an impression on me. The setting is completely opaque to me. Are those... qunari? I can't tell the difference between dwarves, gnomes, and halflings, so I have no clue if they exist as distinct races. I can't tell any difference between elves and half-elves, they just seem to be humans with pointy ears. But I guess that stuff's unimportant? There's a huge tonal whiplash between the serious moments and comedy moments; they feel like completely different shows.

I've watched both seasons of DOTA, tried to watch a bunch of D&D-flavored animes... none of it leaves an impression on me. Why is animation so bland?
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CalArts, Bauhaus, and the exportation of animation talent overseas. There's a green text somewhere that explains it in better detail.
 
FreedomMussel dijo:
I'm not a CR fan so the VM episodes are my first introduction. Finished all three episodes released as of now and it hasn't left an impression on me. The setting is completely opaque to me. Are those... qunari? I can't tell the difference between dwarves, gnomes, and halflings, so I have no clue if they exist as distinct races. I can't tell any difference between elves and half-elves, they just seem to be humans with pointy ears. But I guess that stuff's unimportant? There's a huge tonal whiplash between the serious moments and comedy moments; they feel like completely different shows.

I've watched both seasons of DOTA, tried to watch a bunch of D&D-flavored animes... none of it leaves an impression on me. Why is animation so bland?
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Despite what people will tell you, Matt Mercer's OC Donut Steel setting is very kitchen sink and about as bland as it gets. This show also exists in a weird nebulous zone where it's full of DnD stuff but I assume they didn't have the copyright for some stuff so they'll probably never mention anything but the most generic races. Elves, dwarfs, gnomes, the things with horns are probably tieflings. Mercer is a koolaid drinker so having all the disparate races treated 'equally' is why there's no clear differentiation between them, and why they're all crammed together in the same city with no unique culture separating the races or coming into play. So, yeah, everybody is just a blue or pointy-eared human.

I also noticed it's a series that really does assume you've watched all the streams. The war council of all the other throwaway NPCs got virtually no explanation and as someone who only watched it in the background I could only remember a couple of them. The show has the traditional Studio Mir emphasis on grotesque gore and foul mouthed dialogue. I don't think people wanted a 1:1 recreation of how crass the table could get from time to time in the cartoon, but that's pretty much all we have. The tone, yeah, it's an incongruous nightmare more of than not. Weirdly enough, the campaign streams themselves did a much better job of keeping the tone consistent between scenes. There were fun scenes and then some dramatic ones, but in the show you have Percy doing battle with his parents' killers juxtaposed by Scanlan giving some old man a facial. It really stuck out to me.

You know, on second thought... this show is kind of terrible. I take it back.

Recently Studio Mir has kind of become the studio for Western fantasy shows. They did The Witcher Nightmare of the Wolf, DOTA, this show, Voltron I think too. Everything they make feels the same and uses the same template. In the west, all fantasy has become Game of Thrones. So you shove 'fuck' into every other line of dialogue and slather every scene with gore. In the East, everything is a JRPG Isekai that are intentionally designed to be identical so the Otakus can consume them en mass. If everything feels the same, it's because they're all being made the same way. An endless cycle of emulation for the sake of profit.
 
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