Creepy Unsolved Mysteries - From unsolved murders to unidentified people to unexplained supernatural events, what are some of the creepiest unsolved mysteries you've ever heard of?

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Paintrick S Canlinson dijo:
I know nothing about piloting a plane, but is it really that hard to tell you're upside down? I figured you'd feel something or maybe a pen in the cabin would end up on the ceiling. Or was this guy really just that bad/obsessed?
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Small planes tend to fly a lot lower in altitude where the weather is much worse, so you fly in the middle of clouds being shaken by turbulence regularly. Since you basically have zero external reference point, its easy for your equilibrium to get screwed up in such a way that what you think is up and down is actually 45 degrees to one side. Its why you have to be specifically trained and certified to fly in those conditions since you have to learn to trust your navigation instruments over your own intuition. That combined with rapidly changing conditions that mean you can drop like a rock means its fairly easy to fuck up in a fatal way.
 
 
An automatic clown dijo:
In honor of the 50th anniversary of the Wreck of The Edmund Fitzgerald coming up, I'd just like to point out there is still no concrete evidence on why she sank.
Rest in piece to all 29 souls lost aboard and rest in piece to Gordon Lightfoot. I live no where near the Great Lakes but I am still fascinated by it.
(The Edmund Fitzgerald came from Milwuakee,where Patrick Tomlinson lives, he's a fat faggot)
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No sauce here- apologies, but my statements did once come from a reference that my brain microplastics are obfuscating...

The anatomy of a wave on the Great Lakes is a sharper 'saw tooth' pattern, due to the terminae (shore-to-shore) being closer than a typical ocean wave. The EF was loaded to capacity with iron ore, and when 'The Witch of November' blew her mighty breath, the EF was perched upon 2 antinodes. The bow and stern were supported, but the bulk in the middle was not.

This is a simplification. I'm not sure there is much of an unsolved mystery here. Maybe some engineer was supposed to make the design more bulletproof. Maybe the company overloaded the EF for fun and profit.

IMHO - digging for controversy will yield only a basic and minimal degree of incompetence and maybe a touch of corporate greed.

RIP to the brave 'everyday warriors' that literally place their lives in jeopardy, to power the economic machines.
Peace to their familes.
 
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ChampFantana dijo:
Did anyone ever solve the Hinterkaifeck Slaughter?

Last I heard, a bunch of German detectives re-examined the case using modern methodology and unanimously arrived at a single suspect. However, they refuse to name said suspect to not offend the living descendants of the person.

Edit: I misremembered, it was a bunch of German Police Academy students writing their thesis.

My prime suspect is Lorenz Schlittenbauer. He had the means, and the opportunity even if the motive is a bit hazy.

Plus, he spent his time suing anybody who accused him of the crime during the remainder of his life. That would dovetail nicely with his descendants being litigious chucklefucks who sue anyone that casts a sideways eye at them.
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A few years ago, a book titled The Man from the Train was published. The authors claimed to not only have solved the brutal, perplexing Villisca mass-murder in 1912 Iowa, but nearly 60 other American cold cases from that same era. They maintained that all were done by one killer who had a distinctive M.O., and only attacked victims around midnight, in houses situated close to train tracks, and never robbed the people he killed. The authors actually identified the killer based on these factors; he had started his bloody career in turn-of-the-20th-Century Massachusetts, where he was a suspect in a horrific axe murder, but disappeared before he could be apprehended.

Apparently these murders stopped in the mid-1910s. The authors theorized that the suspect, an itinerant German laborer, knew he was about to get caught, went back to his native land, and did the Hinterkaifeck massacre as a grand encore.
 
ChampFantana dijo:
Did anyone ever solve the Hinterkaifeck Slaughter?

Last I heard, a bunch of German detectives re-examined the case using modern methodology and unanimously arrived at a single suspect. However, they refuse to name said suspect to not offend the living descendants of the person.

Edit: I misremembered, it was a bunch of German Police Academy students writing their thesis.

My prime suspect is Lorenz Schlittenbauer. He had the means, and the opportunity even if the motive is a bit hazy.

Plus, he spent his time suing anybody who accused him of the crime during the remainder of his life. That would dovetail nicely with his descendants being litigious chucklefucks who sue anyone that casts a sideways eye at them.
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I watched Wendigoon's video on it and I quite liked the theory that the father did it, and then was murdered by one of the men who went to check up on the family. It made sense to me and I felt it tied up any loose ends.

Hinterkaifleck is one of the most unsettling cases to me. The idea that they may have been stalked for days, and that the killer stayed in the house, just really creeps me out.
 
DavidFerrie dijo:
A few years ago, a book titled The Man from the Train was published. The authors claimed to not only have solved the brutal, perplexing Villisca mass-murder in 1912 Iowa, but nearly 60 other American cold cases from that same era. They maintained that all were done by one killer who had a distinctive M.O., and only attacked victims around midnight, in houses situated close to train tracks, and never robbed the people he killed. The authors actually identified the killer based on these factors; he had started his bloody career in turn-of-the-20th-Century Massachusetts, where he was a suspect in a horrific axe murder, but disappeared before he could be apprehended.

Apparently these murders stopped in the mid-1910s. The authors theorized that the suspect, an itinerant German laborer, knew he was about to get caught, went back to his native land, and did the Hinterkaifeck massacre as a grand encore.
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It's a quite readable and interesting book although I'm not so convinced of his theory.
For some reason I'm convinced I found out about the book from here..
 
Dagoth AMOGUS dijo:
Am I being unreasonably scared of this, or are there explanations for how people just seem to disappear into thin air? Are there really thorough serial killers and human traffickers out there in rates that can be estimated?

Or is it more likely people just seem to disconnect and “fall off the radar” with no foul play?
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It's becoming less common but there's a variety of reasons as to why someone could disappear:

- Remote areas, as people said. There was a guy who was a semi-popular YouTuber who explored caves in the Nevada desert. A pretty extreme example, but anywhere out in the wilderness can make it easy for you to vanish and make search efforts difficult.
- Bodies of water. The larger the better. Get dumped out in the middle of the ocean or get lucky when dumping a body with water currents and it'll be hard to find you. There's 2 cases I know of, one off the California/Mexico cost where a guy was financially scammed and his body was dumped somewhere en route to Mexico and another where 2 guys were going down to, IIRC, Bermuda and were waylaid by guys who were going to help them crew the boat they were taking.
- Lack of law enforcement cooperation. There have been a number of cases where LE was sitting on information on a John or Jane Doe but didn't have any matches in their jurisdiction. There was a case in the northwest (IIRC) of someone who disappeared in one county/state during a boating accident and showed up in the reservoir in another state/county. The information wasn't shared so one jurisdiction had a missing persons case while the other had a John Doe case. This is becoming less of an issue as information is more easily shared amongst departments.
- Lack of resources. You seen the trend of people being found in retaining ponds or other bodies of water after driving off the road? Departments lack the resources to dredge every body of water, but amateur hobbyists and technology is making that easier.
- Effective body disposal. There are some folks who are good at body disposal and make it hard to track down the remains. There are also those who get lucky and their crimes aren't discovered and enough time passes that retrieval is impossible (this is very common with children/infants and a certain demographic.) In either case, LE generally has a good idea on what happened to the victim (either credible confession or enough physical evidence to determine that survival was impossible or improbable) but aren't going to excavate a garbage dump, spending millions in the process, in the faint hope of finding remains. Or they're stuck with an asshole who either can't remember or won't tell where they dumped a body.
- Undocumented/illegals. You run into the fact that the person likely has false identification, a community that isn't going to want to talk to the cops and an almost impossible task at trying to track down the motherfucker's family/country of origin.
- Errors. Remains that have sat for too long can lead to identification mistakes. The medical examiner believes the skeletal remains are of a teenage boy when it was actually an early 20s female. Racial misidentification. Etc. This is very common with transsexuals---hahaha, just kidding on that last bit.
 
Well Intentioned dijo:
Remote areas, as people said. There was a guy who was a semi-popular YouTuber who explored caves in the Nevada desert. A pretty extreme example, but anywhere out in the wilderness can make it easy for you to vanish and make search efforts difficult.
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If that guy decided to explore an abandoned mine rather than a cave, he probably tumbled into a shaft and is moldering several hundred feet below the surface of the earth. Abandoned mines are incredibly dangerous; there's a reason they have warning signs all over the place.

But if this is the guy I think it is -- the one who claimed he'd found a mysterious cave with an M-shaped entrance -- there's a lot of speculation his "discovery" was just a hoax to cover up his suicide, and if you kill yourself in the remote Nevada desert (especially in one of those caves or mines), you might as well have stepped into a black hole. Gone forever, in all likelihood.
 
Mola Ram dijo:
If that guy decided to explore an abandoned mine rather than a cave, he probably tumbled into a shaft and is moldering several hundred feet below the surface of the earth. Abandoned mines are incredibly dangerous; there's a reason they have warning signs all over the place.

But if this is the guy I think it is -- the one who claimed he'd found a mysterious cave with an M-shaped entrance -- there's a lot of speculation his "discovery" was just a hoax to cover up his suicide, and if you kill yourself in the remote Nevada desert (especially in one of those caves or mines), you might as well have stepped into a black hole. Gone forever, in all likelihood.
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Caves and mines are spooky. I was out camping in Joshua Tree once with some friends, and while hiking we found an old mine with bars over the entrance but enough of a gap beneath to squeeze through. I’ve always wanted to explore a mine or cave, but after one of my friends squeezed inside I basically locked up and couldn’t follow. The idea of getting trapped by a cave-in or falling down a shaft or passing out and suffocating from trapped gasses overrode my desire for adventure. The entire time I was just imagining a short blurb on the evening news about an abandoned car being found and the search efforts being called off.
 
bango skank dijo:
Caves and mines are spooky. I was out camping in Joshua Tree once with some friends, and while hiking we found an old mine with bars over the entrance but enough of a gap beneath to squeeze through. I’ve always wanted to explore a mine or cave, but after one of my friends squeezed inside I basically locked up and couldn’t follow. The idea of getting trapped by a cave-in or falling down a shaft or passing out and suffocating from trapped gasses overrode my desire for adventure. The entire time I was just imagining a short blurb on the evening news about an abandoned car being found and the search efforts being called off.
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Here in appalachia, you need to be stupid careful when hiking because there's old mines everywhere. I dont fuck with underground unless it's a tourist cave.
 
Mola Ram dijo:
If that guy decided to explore an abandoned mine rather than a cave, he probably tumbled into a shaft and is moldering several hundred feet below the surface of the earth. Abandoned mines are incredibly dangerous; there's a reason they have warning signs all over the place.

But if this is the guy I think it is -- the one who claimed he'd found a mysterious cave with an M-shaped entrance -- there's a lot of speculation his "discovery" was just a hoax to cover up his suicide, and if you kill yourself in the remote Nevada desert (especially in one of those caves or mines), you might as well have stepped into a black hole. Gone forever, in all likelihood.
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Yeah that's the guy I was thinking of. Regardless of it being suicide or an accident, it's still going to be hard as fuck to search/recover a body that is in a cave in the Nevada desert given how many there are.
 
Well Intentioned dijo:
Yeah that's the guy I was thinking of. Regardless of it being suicide or an accident, it's still going to be hard as fuck to search/recover a body that is in a cave in the Nevada desert given how many there are.
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I was once told by an old Reno gambling boss that the local Mob dumped bodies of their victims down the many abandoned mineshafts in the area. That almost guaranteed they'd never be found.
 
Well Intentioned dijo:
Remote areas, as people said. There was a guy who was a semi-popular YouTuber who explored caves in the Nevada desert. A pretty extreme example, but anywhere out in the wilderness can make it easy for you to vanish and make search efforts difficult.
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To be honest, I believe the theory that that guy killed himself, out in the desert. Since he actually was pretty suicidal and he was also in debt.

His girlfriend also believes he killed himself, and I'm pretty sure his siblings also believed this. He did tell her that if he ever killed himself, that he'd make sure they never find him.
 
TeaBaggins dijo:
To be honest, I believe the theory that that guy killed himself, out in the desert. Since he actually was pretty suicidal and he was also in debt.

His girlfriend also believes he killed himself, and I'm pretty sure his siblings also believed this. He did tell her that if he ever killed himself, that he'd make sure they never find him.
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I'm of the opinion he faked his own death due to a few videos afterwards that seem to be him. One of which is someone who looks like him breaking into his sister's(?) store to steal something specific on the store's security camera, and another video years later where a completely unrelated outdoorsman YouTuber encounters another hiker in the desert who sounds very suspiciously like Kenny V.
 
Well Intentioned dijo:
- Errors. Remains that have sat for too long can lead to identification mistakes. The medical examiner believes the skeletal remains are of a teenage boy when it was actually an early 20s female. Racial misidentification. Etc. This is very common with transsexuals---hahaha, just kidding on that last bit.
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This kind of reminds me of a murder case that was unsolved for over a decade, in California. Her body was found burned in 2009 but they didn't solve it until 2024.

She turned out to be a 14 year old possible runaway who was from Nevada. She got picked up by the wrong men, who raped and murdered her and dumped her in some parking lot.

They only found out her who killed her because they traced the DNA under her fingernails. She was a Jane Doe for over a decade and her name didn't get released until last year.

D-X-G-X dijo:
I'm of the opinion he faked his own death due to a few videos afterwards that seem to be him. One of which is someone who looks like him breaking into his sister's(?) store to steal something specific on the store's security camera, and another video years later where a completely unrelated outdoorsman YouTuber encounters another hiker in the desert who sounds very suspiciously like Kenny V.
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That might be possible as well. I figured suicide since he seemed to be having money issues plus him having a history of depression, along with that failed business attempt. But that can point to him faking his death.
 
I'm not sure if this was shared in the thread, but on the current topic, one instance that has always stuck with me is the case of "Peter Bergmann":


Fellow checks into a hotel in Ireland and takes huge pains to conceal his identity before killing himself, likely because of mounting health problems (prostate cancer, heart issues and bone tumours.) He was very meticulous and able to dispose of all of his personal belongings and any identifying things despite the abundance of CCTV.

He remains unidentified.
 
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