Cowboy Bebop Thread - Live-Action Adaptation cancelled after one season (it was shit)

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Crayon Shin-chan has the problem in that it's definitely aimed at little kids, but the main character gets naked a lot. We're talking "makes child!Goku seem reserved with high standards of public decency" a lot. Non-detailed five-year-old peen and butt dances aren't just acceptable but hilarious to the youth of Japan, but that shit would never fly in the US if you actually aired it as-is for little kids. Hence why they made a translation very loosely based on the original dialog and aired it on Adult Swim.
Crayon Shin-chan (dubbed or original) is pretty hilarious, but youre absolutely right that it'd never fly in the US. the elephant dance is funny because it's pretty fuckin absurd.
Buri-Buri was fansubbing the 30-50 of episodes until he got DMCA'd by someone. I was shocked that the early voice actor sounded like a kid instead of that slow dimwitt voice Shin has now.
 
Her costume wouldn't work in live action lmao. Its too tight.

We'll definitely get cleavage that's a given lol.

I just don't get why we couldn't get an actress of Singaporean descent. Or just get a Japanese actress.
 
Because her being Mexican makes so much sense
As long as they look the part, I don't care. Scarlett Johansson being cast as a cyborg with synthetic skin is not the reason why Ghost in the Shell sucked. We all know the real reason why it sucked.

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As long as they look the part, I don't care. Scarlett Johansson being cast as a cyborg with synthetic skin is not the reason why Ghost in the Shell sucked. We all know the real reason why it sucked.

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Actually they stayed pretty true to the original. The plot twist regarding her real identity was done well. Aesthetically it was GITS.
 
Actually they stayed pretty true to the original. The plot twist regarding her real identity was done well. Aesthetically it was GITS.

The movie was only superficially GITS, at its core it was another schlock Hollywood cash-in.

In fact, I'll allow this man to save me the trouble of explaining it.
 
-no smoking because it's [current year]
-no sexy outfit because it's [current year] and "no human can wear that". I'm sure that the cosplayers will appreciate to be called "non human".
These people clearly have no idea of what Cowboy Bebop is, it's looking more like another Netflix Death Note.
This is like seeing someone make a western spaghetti but without cowboys, cigarillos, horses, desert, saloon or pistols.

As long as they look the part, I don't care.
Spike is a 50 year old korean, Jet is black, Faye is a latina with a-cup tits and probably no ass and Ed is a mutt.
Now I'll wait for the doggo reveal, I hope it's JL Picard's shitbull.
 
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Her costume wouldn't work in live action lmao. Its too tight.

We'll definitely get cleavage that's a given lol.

I just don't get why we couldn't get an actress of Singaporean descent. Or just get a Japanese actress.

That is a fair point, no cosplayer of Faye I've ever seen has 100% pulled off the outfit, there's just something about it that doesn't translate outside of animation.

As long as they look the part, I don't care. Scarlett Johansson being cast as a cyborg with synthetic skin is not the reason why Ghost in the Shell sucked. We all know the real reason why it sucked.

And the actress does kinda look the part, even if she's not technically Asian.

Her casting is in fact the only thing that seems interesting to me about this and considering it's Netflix, I wonder if she'll do nudity? Thus rectifying the only mistake of the anime.
 
Actually they stayed pretty true to the original. The plot twist regarding her real identity was done well. Aesthetically it was GITS.
They didn't stay true to the original, they just lifted a lot of iconic scenes and failed to connect them in a meaningful way. They botched character writing for every single character. Every. Single. One. The plot twist of her origin made no sense whatsoever, was some cartoon-tier nonsense, poorly thought out and made everyone in Section 9 look even dumber than before. The movie lacked the smart commentary and plot structure of other GitS works, period.

But thankfully, they lifted every design and some scenes as shot-for-shot remakes from the source material, so it somewhat looked the part.

The only scene that wasn't directly copied from the various anime was when they hacked into that one guys brain and got that pixelated, glitched 3D simulation of a memory, that looked neat and it was the only scene worth a damn, visually, that wasn't just a retread.

Edit: Watching Bennett's take on it. Holy shit, this is pure cringe. The "review" (more like a retelling) starts out with a really painful skit with Bennett in two stupid outfits and an ad for some stupid shop thing, it takes him 3 and a half minutes to start the review and then he points out that the movie is so bad that it turns him into an angry critic, mocking the fact that this went out in style almost a decade ago... yeah, whereas stupid outfits for a skit are top notch quality entertainment of today. There's even a fucking ad for his merch halfway in.
What a fag. I used to enjoy his videos on the more outrageous stuff like Madbull 34, but when he's reviewing something that necessitates more than 5 consecutive seconds of uninterrupted thought to figure out, his ability to keep up with whatever anime he's watching goes down the shitter. Cue his abyssmal review of Akira, where he spends half the time bitching about the plot based on a bad dub.

Edit2: And of course, he has to end the review with announcing to shit on 5cm per second. Just to validate my point about him being unable to comprehend movies that require more than 5 seconds of consecutive thought to grasp.
 
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They didn't stay true to the original, they just lifted a lot of iconic scenes and failed to connect them in a meaningful way. They botched character writing for every single character. Every. Single. One. The plot twist of her origin made no sense whatsoever, was some cartoon-tier nonsense, poorly thought out and made everyone in Section 9 look even dumber than before. The movie lacked the smart commentary and plot structure of other GitS works, period.
I would have said this all myself if I weren't aware that Jellycar was baitposting to get a textwall rant in response, hence the out of hand dismissal of the video response.
But thankfully, they lifted every design and some scenes as shot-for-shot remakes from the source material, so it somewhat looked the part.
It begs the question why they didn't just use the same script from the original. You could make the argument that it's because that'd be boring to recurring audiences, but part of the reason it's being remade in live action is because it's being translated for another audience. The real answer is that Hollywood only has a handful of story structures it understands and can't cope with nuance, only with archetype. So since Motoko is a cyborg they decided to go with the "Who am I?" identity crisis plot, and make her the first of her kind because characters have to first be important in the world-scope before they can be important in the story-scope.
 
The movie was only superficially GITS, at its core it was another schlock Hollywood cash-in.

In fact, I'll allow this man to save me the trouble of explaining it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ozJVho0_uu8:95

It was an interesting attempt with great visuals. That's the nicest that could be said. Especially interesting for its conglomeration of all the GItS media in one film. But it dumbs too much down in the process such as going out of it's way to explain Batou's cybernetic eyes.
 
So since Motoko is a cyborg they decided to go with the "Who am I?" identity crisis plot, and make her the first of her kind because characters have to first be important in the world-scope before they can be important in the story-scope.
It is a core aspect of the original movie, but there, it ties into a larger context, whereas in the ScarJo version it peters out pretty boringly. In the original, the questions of "Who am I?" and "Am I a real person?" tie into the themes of "What is a real person?" and "What even is a person?". Throughout the original movie, you watch that theme from many angles, the movie starts with us watchig how Kusanagi (or a body similar to hers) is made, Motoko sometimes muses about her own Ghost, wondering if she's actually human. The technology that replaced her flesh and bone raises the question on whether she ever was a human being to begin with. At the same time, we see the garbage man and that dude that gets beat up in the water getting false memories to make them do what the Puppet Master needs them to do. The movie suggests that a human's identity is based on their memory and resulting individuality, and finally, we have an artificial intelligence.
The underlying question is "Where does being human start and end?" The Garbage Man is clearly human, but his mind was altered like he was a robot, but he has a (mostly) human body. Motoko doesn't have a human body and she might not even have a brain. Lastly, we have the Puppet Master, who doesn't even have a body and certainly has no "brain", but he supposedly is self-aware.

What does the Hollywood version give is? "I wonder if I am [name I forgot]? Oh, turns out I am [other name]!". Insert Golf Clap here.

The only interesting aspect concerning the Cowboy Bebop adaptation is how much they can fuck it up. CB doesn't have philosophical themes, but it has a well-executed plot with great world-building and neat characters. When they go out of their way to miscast characters to fill in their SJW-quota, we can surmise that they won't have the balls to give characters fitting negative attributes. Faye will most likely be the swiss army knife, outdoing all the silly boys with great ease and show off her superior personality, maturity and intelligence whenever she opens her mouth. Jet will be a generic black strongman, Ed will most likely be constantly queerbaiting and fuck knows what Spike is going to be like.
Vicious will wear a "Make Mars Great Again" cap or something like that.

Whatever the result may be, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
 
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It is a core aspect of the original movie, but there, it ties into a larger context, whereas in the ScarJo version it peters out pretty boringly. In the original, the questions of "Who am I?" and "Am I a real person?" tie into the themes of "What is a real person?" and "What even is a person?". Throughout the original movie, you watch that theme from many angles, the movie starts with us watchig how Kusanagi (or a body similar to hers) is made, Motoko sometimes muses about her own Ghost, wondering if she's actually human. The technology that replaced her flesh and bone raises the question on whether she ever was a human being to begin with. At the same time, we see the garbage man and that dude that gets beat up in the water getting false memories to make them do what the Puppet Master needs them to do. The movie suggests that a human's identity is based on their memory and resulting individuality, and finally, we have an artificial intelligence.
The underlying question is "Where does being human start and end?" The Garbage Man is clearly human, but his mind was altered like he was a robot, but he has a (mostly) human body. Motoko doesn't have a human body and she might not even have a brain. Lastly, we have the Puppet Master, who doesn't even have a body and certainly has no "brain", but he supposedly is self-aware.

What does the Hollywood version give is? "I wonder if I am [name I forgot]? Oh, turns out I am [other name]!". Insert Gold Clap here.
My problem with how the movie handled it was that it handled it in a very weepy and meek fashion rather than the more clinical examination form the original. The original is more about what Motoko is and the nature of identity rather than simply being absent of a known origin, which to my knowledge was never a problem for Motoko in GITS at all. If I recall correctly, Motoko had a debilitating disease was in an accident that required cybernetics early in life, whereas in the ScarJo version the character was abducted as a child for lab experiments when full-body cybernetics were perfected in GITS already.

Hollywood had to completely reinvent the character down to her origin and her motivations to make it fit one of their movie-making molds. The movie cannot have a main character that is not a snowflake, taking a character trait that is considered mundane in the setting and making it extraordinarily unique to the protagonist is the only way Hollywood understands main characters.
 
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My problem with how the movie handled it was that it handled it in a very weepy and meek fashion rather than the more clinical examination form the original. The original is more about what Motoko is and the nature of identity rather than simply being absent of a known origin, which to my knowledge was never a problem for Motoko in GITS at all. If I recall correctly, Motoko had a debilitating disease that required cybernetics early in life, whereas in the ScarJo version the character was abducted as a child for lab experiments when full-body cybernetics were perfected in GITS already.

Hollywood had to completely reinvent the character down to her origin and her motivations to make it fit one of their movie-making molds.
Absolutely, instead of a philosophical contemplation of a theme, we get some sappy dime-a-dozen stuff.

By changing the background story of the Major, they open up their plot for a question that is to this plot like a sledgehammer to a delicate glass sculpture.
All you have to ask, to make this whole thing fall flat on its face, is this: "Why doesn't the evil corporation just ask for volunteers amongst trauma patients in any random hopsital?"

They'd have the free pick from a shitload of patients of all ages, they could experiment to their heart's desire and still be seen as benefactors to the public while doing so. By going along with abductions, they open themselves up for a massive amount of problems, and the idea that Section 9 would allow some random nobody to infiltrate their organization with a fake persona cobbled together after an abduction is ludicrous.

It also doesn't fit together, they have implants and stuff connected directly to the brain, but they don't yet have a cyberbrain? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
 
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