Cowboy Bebop Thread - Live-Action Adaptation cancelled after one season (it was shit)

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Cowboy Bebop isn't unique with its episode story arc. It was common for stories and especially for American shows to not focus on the over aching plot as the protagonists have had hit a wall. That's until they obtained a new "puzzle piece*" to advance the over aching plot.
*Clue like a person's name, location or etc. that would help find so-and-so's killer, whomever framed them, missing person and whatever other plot reason for show existence.
I wasn't talking about American shows, I was talking about anime.

Most anime is either very serialized with a one off story here and there or is very episodic, Bebop's approach is, for anime, fairly unique, not saying one of a kind, there are other shows that follow a similar formula, but it's not the most common one.
 
I wasn't talking about American shows, I was talking about anime.

Most anime is either very serialized with a one off story here and there or is very episodic, Bebop's approach is, for anime, fairly unique, not saying one of a kind, there are other shows that follow a similar formula, but it's not the most common one.
Even for anime Bebop isn't unique as the same story structure was in use since the 80ies. How common or uncommon depended heavily on the genre and target demographic.
 
No, it doesn't.
If this abomination of a show gets more episodes, I'm willing to bet that when it does appear, the fungus will talk and identify as genderfluid. Spike will then sleep with it and make a crack about how kinky it was to get anally penetrated by a shapeshifting fungus.

Quality is dead.
 
I hate it. I hate everything about it. And, with every "preview" or "teaser" Netflix releases, the more I hate it.

1. Cho's performance suuuuuucks. He acts bad, and he should feel bad. He just plain sucks. I don't know how else I can put it. He is incapable of carrying the show as the lead. Huge miscast, and bad acting altogether.

2. They're actually pulling a J.J. Abrams with this shit, aren't they? They're shitting on the anime while ripping off iconic scenes and imagery from the anime (and looking incredibly cheap and creatively bankrupt in the process).

3. Apparently Faye is now Spike's equal in hand-to-hand combat? MISS ME WITH THAT BULLSHIT. If this were the anime (the REAL show), Spike would annihilate Faye, and we all know it. If they're determined to have them duke things out, then at least make it either a gun fight or an aerial battle between the Swordfish II and the Redtail.

4. MCU humor does not belong in Cowboy Bebop. Point blank period.

5. Jet appears to be the second least offensive thing about this dumpster fire.

6. The least offensive thing about this dumpster fire is the doggie. Ein ... You're doing great, sweetie. This mess isn't your fault.
Yeah I agree with all of these points but you got to admit that trailer was pretty fucking cool and clever with its use of editing and having characters literally grab the metaphysical panel line to transition Scenes and attack enemies, that’s a neat visual that sadly won’t be in the show, yeah I know it’s out now but I still refuse on principle, the original CB is a true work of art and doubles as a fantastic tv series (not just anime) that people even the uninitiated and those skeptical of anime can get into and really love, it had a profound influence on the west’s acceptance and mainstream popularity of anime entering in the 21st century, and showed us how exciting, varied and intelligent a show could be with some of the best music and animation ever seen in an animated show. Even if this series had miraculously turned out good, it simply isn’t needed the OG stands alone perfectly in its own, and never needs to be continued, remastered or remade in any way as a testament to its endurance as a incredible show.
 
Even for anime Bebop isn't unique as the same story structure was in use since the 80ies. How common or uncommon depended heavily on the genre and target demographic.
Could you argue Death Note is even episodic in some aspects? Sure there is an overarching p[lot but most epidoes from what I recall usually focus on one key event or action, whether it be that gang whole got the Notebook or the episodes where L sends time deducing Kira.


This is such a huge turnoff and exemplfies why modenr female characters suck ass. Making them swear every other setence is just off putting, and doesn't make them seem tough, it makes them look like basic bitches. This is also Faye's earliest scene I think and ruins her character more than any rebranding of her character to be action girl can. In the anime we first see Faye captured by some mafia types and being blackmailed over her debt to assist in their shady dealing because she's good at cheating games. The deal gets fucked up because Spike gets ivolved by sheer incident and things spiral out of control. She proves herself pretty early in that epidoe not to be a damsel in distress and frees herself and gets the money at the end of the episode, outsmarting both Spike and Jet and the Mafia Who die at the end due to their rockets anyways).

Here she is some tough swearing girl who swears a lot and can match Spike in hand to hand combat, which not only is wrong with her characterization bt something she rarely partakes in, seeing as she is a breakdown of the femme fatale archtype.

Also great butchering of the Katerina/Asimov story. Instead of them being poor and wantning a new life Katerina is some rich girl runaway or some shit. I heard she doesn't even kill Asimov in the end when she realizes the life she wnats is never going to happen and she is going to die like she does in the anime.
 
Fresh from the copium mines:

Why Does Everyone In Netflix's Cowboy Bebop Talk Like That?
"Welcome to the ouch, motherfucker."

By Gita Jackson

Nov 23 2021, 8:37pm

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What happens when fans of Joss Whedon grow up and start working in television and movies? Netflix’s remake of Cowboy Bebop.

I can’t say for sure if the writers and showrunners on Bebop were, like I once was, huge fans of Buffy or Angel, the two shows that put Whedon on the map. Based on the way the characters speak, it sure sounds like it, though. Over the years, I’ve begun to notice more and more “Whedonspeak,” as the phenomenon used to be called, in mainstream television and movies. Describing the qualities that make dialogue sound Whedonesque is now difficult though, because those qualities are ubiquitous.

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Before Joss Whedon was given the keys to the Marvel Cinematic Universe as director of The Avengers, long before his now ex-wife wrote a story calling him a “hypocrite preaching feminist ideals” and cast members spoke out about his abusive behavior on set, he was the showrunner for Buffy the Vampire Slayer. The show is a cult classic whose reputation precedes it, inspiring not only burgeoning young people to become feminists but also inspiring future television writers to get into the business. It’s difficult to overstate how influential that show has been, not just in terms of its portrayal of women in science fiction, but also because of the particular quirks of Whedon’s dialogue.

Characters in Whedon’s shows talk a lot, and they talk in very particular ways. Characters are often imprecise in their language, letting sentences trail off as they struggle to articulate themselves. They turn nouns into verbs and vice versa. They say “thing” or “thingy” or “stuff” in place of more descriptive terms. Often these characters metatextually comment on their surroundings or the environments they’re in, usually in a sarcastic or snarky way. The tone of this is pretty “wink wink, nudge nudge,” as if the writers are speaking through the characters to the audience, rather than the characters commenting on the situation they are in.

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When Buffy Summers says, “Well, if this guy wants to fight with weapons, I've got it covered from A to Z, from axe to... zee other axe,” that’s a prime example of Whedonspeak. When, in long-running BBC show Doctor Who, the titular Doctor says, “This is my timey-wimey detector. It goes ding when there's stuff,” that is also Whedonspeak. This clip, where the lead characters of Star Wars movie The Rise of Skywalker say “They fly now? They fly now!” to each other shows you how far the phenomenon of Whedonspeak has spread.


This is fine in Buffy, which is a show about teenagers in a heightened universe where vampires are real. When this style of dialogue shows up elsewhere, it’s not just incongruous, it feels lazy. The characters in Netflix’s remake of Cowboy Bebop talk in this way. It isn’t that the universe is more grim, it’s that the tone of the show, the actions of the characters, and the way that they all talk to each other don’t jive.

Whedonspeak is all over Cowboy Bebop, especially whenever Faye Valentine talks. In particular, the scene when Faye is handcuffed to the Bebop’s toilet in its opening episode has that particular veneer of insincerity that is endemic to this style of dialogue, especially when it’s done badly. The characters aren’t talking to each other—they’re speaking in quips and asides, lines meant to make the audience laugh more than they’re meant to convey who these characters are.

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“Hey dick-hole!” Faye says, “Super cool accommodations, but do you think you could handcuff me to an even bigger, more disgusting toilet? Cause that would be great.”

Other scenes are also plagued by Whedonspeak. When Jet Black goes to turn in a bounty, he speaks to a police officer who apparently slept with his ex-wife.

“Personally, I wouldn’t cross the street to piss on you if you were on fire, but your ex-wife asked me to throw you a bone every once in a while,” he says.

“While you were throwing her your own bone, I bet,” Jet replies.

One scene between Jet and Spike on the ship has them quip at each other simultaneously in a way that makes the audience feel like they’re not even having a conversation. While investigating a bounty, Spike objects to going to New Tijuana.

“Do you know what I got the last time I was on TJ?” Spike says.

“Herpes?” Jet replies, while laughing.

“Stabbed,” Spike says. “You know what I was doing? Buying a churro.”

Some examples of this bad dialogue have gained ubiquity online. In one episode, when Jet calls out a woman for blackmailing him, she replies, “damn right it is because, Jet, you are Black and you are male.”

A pre-release review of the series from Indiewire also highlighted Faye Valentine’s line, “Welcome to the ouch, motherfuckers.” A screenshot of this review went viral on Twitter.

It isn’t that there aren’t occasions where characters should act detached or sarcastic in Cowboy Bebop. It’s just that when every character is this detached, all the time, it’s alienating. These characters aren’t being detached for a reason, but saying quippy things because it is the most clever or writerly way to say them. These are things you might put on a graphic T-shirt, not the way that fully defined characters react. Seriously, why is Jet even talking to that guy? Why does he just let that woman say that very racist thing to him?

It isn’t that the original Bebop was devoid of humor, but the humor came from the characters. There were more sight gags than one-liners. It’s expressed in things like Jet, Spike, and Faye running around all day looking for information on an elite hacker and getting conflicting information, eventually describing them as a “seven-foot tall ex-basketball pro Hindu guru drag-queen alien.”

My personal favorite joke of the original series is when Spike points out to Jet that he's told him that his three least favorite things in the world are pets, children, and women with attitude, right after all a pet, child, and a woman with attitude join their crew. These aren’t jokes for the sake of jokes, quips to get the audience to chuckle, but humorous situations that the characters are put into and react to. But Whedonspeak dialogue isn’t about characters and their reactions. It’s about the audience and its much more distant reaction. It’s a little like eating cotton candy; it’s enjoyable, but it disappears the moment it hits your tongue, and afterward there’s not much to say about it at all.

TFW even the Vice bugmen are tired of quips.
 
“Hey dick-hole!” Faye says, “Super cool accommodations, but do you think you could handcuff me to an even bigger, more disgusting toilet? Cause that would be great.”

Wheadon's dialogue and its consequences have been a disaster for modern writing and general discussions as well if zoomers start picking up talking like rude assholes because some capeshit character does it.
 
Last night, I had a dream that Daniella Pineda, in response to this series getting BTFO'd, starts going DFE and spamming DMCAs to get images of her shitty cosplay of Faye off the Internet because she can't help being enough of a bitch to do so. Then she comes across Kiwi Farms and when Null goes "lol no" as does everyone else, she ends up impulsively making an (bot) account to try and mock everyone making fun of it while making it clear she's butthurt and is trying to get rid of the images and criticism, and everyone just laughs at her.

Not ever gonna happen, unfortunately.
 
why does everyone always talk about Faye in this show but no one utters a peep about Spike, the main fucking character? Is this like a He-Man situation of Teela basically kicking He-Man to the side and stealing the show in order to have a feminist friendly girl power experience? Or is Spike just so incredibly meh it's easy to gloss over him and Fay is such an abomination she's just impossible to ignore entirely? What the fuck, Netflix..
 
why does everyone always talk about Faye in this show but no one utters a peep about Spike, the main fucking character? Is this like a He-Man situation of Teela basically kicking He-Man to the side and stealing the show in order to have a feminist friendly girl power experience? Or is Spike just so incredibly meh it's easy to gloss over him and Fay is such an abomination she's just impossible to ignore entirely? What the fuck, Netflix..
Nah it's because Faye is generic strong woman and her actor sperged out on twitter due to backlash before the show's release. There is also her quips which are just really bad.

For me personally, Spike is more horribly written and probably the worst character in the show mainly due to how his character became a stupid whiny teenager (mentally) who doesn't take his job seriously with the Syndicate stuff with him feeling like melodrama. Doesn't help John Cho sounds like he just wants his paycheck in every scene.

Like the opening scene of the show is really bad compared to what they were adapting


Context: The Bandit (the one who was in the bathroom in the anime movie) here has some dumb science fiction weapon that leads to this


Compare this to the movie's superior version

 
Is netflix trying to destroy everything it touches? I don't get it. Why? Is it a money thing? An ego thing?
It's not Netflix themselves as they are nothing more than a distributor since they can release good content from time to time. It's just that most writers are hacks and most people that typically do live action adaptations of animated properties are people who don't understand, don't care, or hate the source material. This has been a thing outside of Netflix with shit like Dragon Ball Evolution, The Last Airbender, Ghost in the Shell, and Attack on Titan as major bad examples.
 
Netflix always has pandered to the LGBT demographic. Basically megalomania.
So why doesn't it do the same with Dave Chapelle and all the Adam Sandler movies it seems to endorse? Do they just go under the radar??

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It's not Netflix themselves as they are nothing more than a distributor since they can release good content from time to time. It's just that most writers are hacks and most people that typically do live action adaptations of animated properties are people who don't understand, don't care, or hate the source material. This has been a thing outside of Netflix with shit like Dragon Ball Evolution, The Last Airbender, Ghost in the Shell, and Attack on Titan as major bad examples.
This is what I expected
 
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