Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

[FROG]

So this is what it came to? A Tumblr excuse of "Well... I liked it so it's good!!!!" Really? Minimum facial details on a very wrinkly old Harrison Ford's face, almost no shadow work on the right despite the light blasting his face from the left, flat and boring inking... Nothing? You came from a movement where looking and commenting on art was a norm, you had art reviews on your channel and all you can squeeze is a classic tumblrina excuse "Uh... oooh... Me like. it's subjective!"? Fuck off with this.

Ok. Prove it. I'm sure after this PR disaster Jeff can donate you HIS art to show and review, after all you're friends and you should help a friend. You can even go one step beyond and show me which piece of JQ art the bullshit comic reminded you about. Let me guess, this is the part where your "I don't care" excuse allows you to run away from an actual opportunity to defend BullshtJeff?

Again, that's besides the point. It's still part of shitty overpriced, poorly handled comic. This isn't just about Jeff the artist this is about Jeff the shitty manager who apparently has no quality control.

Every argument has some form of goalposts. But thank you for allowing me to criticize you circus. Not many people are allowed to do it from what I've seen.

Where was I looking for a fight? Unless you count criticism and keeping track of your comments is an attack , but if that's true Jeff really is your Maggs.

Also you "don't care" so much you've responded to every single line of my post. You "don't care" so much you've named every single anti-CG channel in your tweets and lunch sperg threads about them on your Twitter semi regularly. You "don't care" so much you've joined this forum after the criticism started to pile up and you show up whenever a new controversy begins without being tagged... Sure you don't care

Something is VERY wrong with you.

Get medicated, then get fucked.

 

[Odets]

Something is VERY wrong with you.

Get medicated, then get fucked.

"I have nothing to say but I must talk because the last word makes me right!"

You're doing a banging job not caring. Very believable

 

[Water-T]

Sorry, @FROG, but if you came here looking for fanboys to blindly kiss your ass, then you are in the wrong place. Dude presented some solid stuff, and resorting to the SJW tactic of deflecting criticism with a "I DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN MYSELF, SHITLORD" response is not a good look.

Look, I want you to succeed at this venture, Ethan. I respect you as an artist and I know you want to provide a good product. But pulling this Zoe Quinn level shit where you take the money and tell people asking questions to STFU is just sinking to the level of the Antis, who all Kickstart their comics, put out extremely late and/or low quality work (or not at all), and then expect their customers to be quiet and eat the tripe they are serving up without reservations. You're better than that.

I understand you want to support your friends, but don't do it at the expense of your audience. That's the circle-jerk incestuousness that the SJWs pulled that started GamerGate in the first place. Like, sure - mention a friend is Kickstarting a comic. That's fine. But don't blow smoke up our asses and tell us that it's cleansing our colon. That's the bullshit tactic that people like Mags, Antos, and their rainbow haired brethren do - they talk up their less-than-talented friends and push them upon us as The Next Big Thing when their art/writing is sub par.

Look, I get it - you're a veteran in this biz, and getting questions and criticism can be bristling (especially since a lot of us on here are not exactly tactful people), but I can see the avenue you're travelling down, and just trying to be straight with you (ironic coming from a faggot like me) before you throw away any goodwill for you on here.

OK - I'm done being earnest. Insert joke about me sucking dicks and you being a Mormon here.

 

[Tyne]

This is Liam Gray the Creator of XENOTYPE here. I'm here for the same reason I am a part of #ComicsGate. Reviewing this thread I've found a lot of cleverly presented misdirection. Things which are technically true but presented in such a way as to mislead the reader or spark outrage. I'm going to briefly take this time to make my motives very clear and trust the better judgement of the farms.

I have been actively working towards reformation of the Comic Book Industry for nearly a decade. You will find my earliest commentary on the corruption within the industry on Chris Bechtloff's channel years before the rise of ComicsGate. For nearly a decade The Powers That Be have distanced themselves from their fans under the thin veneer of comic book celebrity, established pros with an outstanding record have been laid off, and the Big Two have been chasing the dollar instead of producing quality product to earn it.

Worse,current publishing companies rarely receive, review or critique art portfolios for young and up coming talent. The industry where new creators were shepherded in, trained and taught the CRAFT of comic book creation was slain by selfish, self-serving individuals. The Independent Comic book scene (contrary to what you are told and a few breakout hits) was largely a wasteland. For every Saga there were a hundred Passion Projects feigning success.

While I am sure this is a non-concern to many people reading this post, to me (someone who deeply cares about the future of the industry) this was a big concern. I spent many years alone trying to find a way of helping spread awareness and improving the industry. Then, following the election of Trump an already sick and divided industry fell into full blown chaos. Republicans and Right leaning Individuals (a number not just myself) were ostracised. Friendships imploded, business relationships ended, myself and a number of ghosties were cold axed. It sucked.

My great crime, the one that cost me my mentor, my access, my work, my friends was presenting the following question to the wrong individual which resulted in an explosive fit the likes of which you have not seen since preschool:

"But surely, the only way to prevent truck loads of women and children from entering the boarder would be to construct a physical barrier, a wall, between Mexico and the USA?"

This alone, not a heated argument, not a fight ended everything for me. I'd been kept from "right wing" thinkers in the comic book industry, kept from most everyone actually (my life was keeping my head down and learning and writing) so when I was compared to Ethan Van Sciver, I looked him up on Facebook and added him as a friend. There I found there were others like me and after being unable to build a working relationship in the indies scene for "being a Nazi" (a belief set I do not live by or endorse), I finally had FRIENDS that didn't act like radical backstabbing lunatics.

Which, if you've patiently been reading this far brings me to why I joined ComicsGate and Why This Movement is so important to me.

First I reached out to Chuck Dixon, with no reply, then Ya Boy Zack only for him to tell me at the time he had no interest in producing comics. I knew that if we were to help fix the industry and help it endure, we needed to make books. So I persevered and in time Ethan stepped into ComicsGate, announced CyberFrog and gave me pause to move into ComicsGate. Up until this point, having been involved in GamerGate, I wanted to avoid the "Gate" tag but as more swell came, even if I was not involved in the initial wave, I was happy to see a counter culture rising. I knew, without a doubt, that this would be our last real chance to save the industry; by making more money than the Dinosaur Comic Book Industry we could out-perform them and sway influence back towards more reasonable creators.

Creating this alternate industry, this better industry where we can serve YOU and create GREAT STORIES again, ENDURING STORIES, has ALWAYS been my motivation.

However, there are actors, many of whom are among the Independents, many of whom claim to be the founders of ComicsGate who believe the customer base is limited and when Pros entered it, rather than welcoming them they saw it as an invasion. Unable to compete in quality, rather than seeking to better themselves or form a stronger relationship with their customer base they went on the attack.

Ethan Van Sciver boomed into success with his foray into STAR WARS which grew the movement and largely allowed us to reach many disenfranchised and disillusioned fans that had otherwise fled the industry after years of neglect and abuse. Shortly thereafter, predators attempted to usurp his audience and breed conflict between individuals within the movement. I did everything within my power, as a centrist, as an early founder of the movement, to maintain order and peace between the factions.

However, this failed. The group calling itself, unironically The Cult of Popefire, which later became Jesus Campaign was intent on waging war on the group known as the War Campaign under the veil of faux outrage and victim-culture. Attempts to mend bridges, find accountable parties and negotiations all broke down and failed. These individuals were largely affiliated with John Del Arroz and Vox Day; two individuals that sought to usurp and weaponize #ComicsGate into a Far-Right Wing tool by creating Far-Right Comic Books to combat the Far-Left Comic Books dominating the industry.

This coup ultimately failed, resulting in a splintered community and many of my own plans for progress being delayed and foiled by the very same behaviour. I'd been trying to escape in the mainstream comics and existing independent scene. Driven by a culture of shame, self-loathing and envy these self-entitled clowns found reasons to gripe and when they didnt have any, they invented new ones. People say that during this era #ComicsGate splintered into many groups but it was my observation that there were two definitive groups; with one group harboring a number of shadow groups to avoid accountability for less than ethical practices and the spread of lies and misinformation.

The first group was Ethan Van Sciver's Side -- Creators, Influencers and Fans that believed the community was to embrace new customers and be an ever expanding movement.
The second group was the Vox Day Side -- Creators, Influencers and Fans that believed the market was limited and should be controlled by Right Wing creators for so long as the "fad" of #ComicsGate endured.

The first group largely devoted their time and creative energy to the production of content targeting the mainstream, flaws within and promotion of their own work under the spirit of Jon Malin's motto "Everyone grab an Oar!"

The second group largely devoted their time and creative energy to attacking, conspiring against and spreading lies about, other ComicsGate Creators. Many within this group had been scorned lovers of the movement, driven out when the majority of the movement voted with their dollar and made it clear that they wanted to expand and see MORE new talent and a revitalised industry.

In the months that would follow the Vox Group (using alias' like Cherries, the Cult of Popefire, JesusCampaign, etc.) would woo over larger creators like Doug TenNapel and Mike Miller by appealing to their egos. At the time of writing this I cannot confirm how deeply involved both the aforementioned men were in their attempts to disassemble CG and humble the Expansionists but data compiled on one Edwin Boyette leads me to believe that it was their goal to destroy the movement from within for a significant amount of time before they made their public move.

Seeing this chaos, I attempted to build bridges, explain the lasting harm if we continued down this path... but by then it was too late.

The Conspirators had managed to become significant Influencers and had no real interest in ever helping to mend or revitalise the industry. Instead, they worked from within to turn friend against friend and then bragged about the break away from the movement. They made subtle threats and practiced double speak and provocation instead of personal accountability. They shielded themselves in a number of names and aliases, even spending money in the form of $2.00 donations on IndieGOGO campaigns so they could appear as a large number of dissatisfied or outraged customers on the campaigns of individuals associated with Ethan Van Sciver, Jon Malin and the YouTube personality known as Cecil.

The goal of the Conspirators was (is) to destroy the movement because they still believe there is a limited market and the success of larger or more popular creators is diminishing the success of their own comic book ventures.

It has been my experience that not all Conspirators (or Antis) are bad people. Many have legitimate grievances with delays in schedules or feel personally slighted by the actions of other creators. However, largely, the majority have been whipped into a faux outrage by people without legitimate grievances and often by bad actors that hope to undermine and destroy the industry for their own (brief) personal reward.

I realise this has been a long post but please take my words into some consideration if you have the time. The united goal of ComicsGate, my goal, has always been to help revitalise and help the industry. It is why I choose to work in this career at a continued financial loss to myself and it is why I spend so much of my time trying to teach, help and uplift others like I was when I first came into this big bad world of superheroes (before everything went insane!).

I don't expect sympathy but please be informed in your judgement. When Trustfund Kids like Pocket Jack, whose Mary Sue comic purely exists to indulge in some perverse gender swap self-inset sexual fantasy are the one pointing the fingers and spreading lies. When these individuals openly practice the propaganda tactics of Communists and Socialists while working to impose their beliefs upon your children and a crumbling industry, someone has to step up and do something.

I'm no saint, I'm not perfect, but I'm here at great personal cost to myself and I am trying to help... and that is a hell of a lot more than most of these other jackasses can say for themselves. I'll always be straight with you guys (all my customers) even if I come off looking like an idiot or a bitch. I'll never lie to your faces or spread misinformation to hurt other people... and frankly... only an idiot would do that on the Farms and think they wouldnt get caught.

... Jack.

 

[VIkkiVerse]

When Trustfund Kids like Pocket Jack, whose Mary Sue comic purely exists to indulge in some perverse gender swap self-inset sexual fantasy are the one pointing the fingers and spreading lies.

How in the fuck is a comic written about an actual woman, one of whom was the first female ace pilot, a gender swap to promote a Mary Sue.

Oh yeah, Ethan said that's what the book was....

 

[TheLaughingMan]

I think you're misunderstanding that tweet.



I said the cover reminded me of early Quesada. How that evolved in the minds of exceptional individuals into "This Book is Better Than Quesada" is all just part of the sperg show that is anti-ComicsGate. In fact, I haven't read the book yet, but the art from that portion of the interiors that people are showing ISN'T HIS, from what I understand, but a different artist. Was there a short story in there as well? That wasn't Jeff.

I saw more Jeff Hicks art from the book, and it's competent/pretty good and damned appealing. But I'll save my final thoughts for when I've actually READ THE COMIC. Up until then, all I've got to go on are my first impressions.



100% correct.

Oh please. Just admit you were fucking wrong. No wonder Jeff thinks it's ok to lie out of his ass and blame the printer company for what was clearly his own fuck up and not the Printers. Oh and now there is supposedly some other artist who did work on Jeff's book? So now you all want to blame that person for the shitty artwork in it? LMAO. Unacceptable.

 

[Tyne]

How in the fuck is a comic written about an actual woman, one of whom was the first female ace pilot, a gender swap to promote a Mary Sue.

Oh yeah, Ethan said that's what the book was....

I take it you have not read it or this is more of your instigating Vikki.

It was pitched as a book about a female ace pilot but the whole first act of the book is a thirsty thot creeping on a guy in a very unusual and uncomfortable way.

 

[elkinbub]

Some of you guys are so lost.

You realize that when Ethan had a podcast he called his hugbox co-hosts "The Kool-Aid Drinkers", right? His new hugbox actually are Kool-Aid drinkers who believe any nonsense they can imagine that exonerates their cult leader.

"Nerkish was a plant, a spy sent by Vox Day!" was a joke used to lampoon how paranoid and gullible you guys are.

Now you're actually saying that anti-CG actually is a Vox Day operation, that Doug was "wooed away by Vox".

You think that when people talk to other people, or when people talk to people-who-know-other-people, it's a nefarious conspiracy. You're out of your minds and seeing conspiracies everywhere.

This past summer, when Doug or Edwin or whoever (neither of whom I support or like, btw) felt like chatting with someone like Nasser, your minds reacted to that the same way a paranoid Scientologist reacts to someone outside the cult trying to free someone from the cult's grasp. Says more about you and your mentality than it does about the (admittedly flawed and imperfect) people who no longer want to suck Ethan Van Sciver's dick online 24/7.

Again, before he hopped on the comicsgate grift, the previous way he stroked his ego was via his podcast called "VanSciverTown", a reference to Jim Jones and the Jonestown cult. Its orbiters were called "The Kool-Aid Drinkers".
( http://thisweekingeek.net/pod-archive/roundtables/vanscivertown-episode-7-hes-hulk-ing )
Ha. Ha. It's all "funny". It's a metaphor that he realized... except... after a while it seems like less and less of a metaphor.

Your backers STILL do not have Cyberfrog, Ethan.
NOT talking about the ashcans, although those are late too.
The original backers who did NOT order the ashcans, many of them STILL do not have what they paid you for MANY, MANY months ago.
Check your IGG. Look at the complaints. They're still there. It's getting worse, Ethan.
They're getting madder.
You can spend time writing explanations on KiwiFarms or you can actually serve your customers for once.
I expect you'll keep doing damage control here, since your ego insists upon it, and you are a slave to your ego.
Good.
We're giving you as much rope as possible to hang yourself.
By all means, keep talking :-)

 

[huckbeine]

Super word salad

Oh, fucking no.

How conceited of you to think that you can actually change the industry. Either actually stupidly naive or actually that very conceited.

I suggest drinking a lot of alcohol and inject some nihilism into your life, and just do your comic books without the stupid drama and trying to engage in them

 

[VIkkiVerse]

I take it you have not read it or this is more of your instigating Vikki.

It was pitched as a book about a female ace pilot but the whole first act of the book is a thirsty thot creeping on a guy in a very unusual and uncomfortable way.

I have read them. That guy was the woman's real life husband.

It's obvious that you're the one who hasn't actually read it if all you can talk about is how it was 'pitched'.

 

[Tyne]

How conceited of you to think that you can actually change the industry. Either actually stupidly naive or actually that very conceited.

All I need to do to change the industry is be different and be successful. Its hard work, but I believe I can help create an outlet here in Australia for kids to submit their work and learn how to make comics. I know I can produce high quality comic books and put the consumer's interests before my own. If I do that and make enough to eek out a modest living, I've achieved my goal. I'll be independent and able to employ and help others.

Do your comic books without the stupid drama and trying to engage in them

I do my best. The problem is people see you are successful and they tell you to give up, not to try or try to drag you down like crabs in a barrel.

As for what elkinbub had to say, I could address a lot of it, but would there be a point?

No one thought Nerkish was a Vox Day plant, at least no one I've ever spoken to.

Next point, you say "The fans dont have their CyberFrog book" well, correction: SOME fans do not have the book yet and they're currently being shipped. Many people have already post pictures of them with the book and we're already starting to see some people post more pictures with their books from the second wave of fulfilment. Constantly harping on at Ethan doesn't get the books sent to you faster. Ethan posting here does not create a delay. He's already finished the signing. He's not the one packing and shipping the books.

One final point of my own.

It takes one man to change the world. Stan Lee came into the industry much as it is now and though hardwork and hustle he became an icon. Sure, some people got burned and it wasn't always roses but at the end of the day we live in a world where superheroes bring hope and joy to millions of children all around the world. If we can keep that alive but the cost is "some people think Ethan is an asshole" then so be it.

The fact people want to drudge up the past without context is WHY I decided to post here. Its the same tired contrivances by the same sad people that have nothing better to do with their time... and apparently think thirsty weirdo thottery is totally normal. If we want to talk lolcows, everyone is pointing in the wrong direction. The weirdo degenerate psychos that do nothing but spend day in day out pretending theyre villainous masterminds is infinitely more autistic and worthy of attention.

 

[huckbeine]

reetarded ramblings

Oh no, woe is me, I am working super hard, sacrificing too much for the sake of comics. Oh woe is me, no one pays attention to my suffering...

Yep, not only you are that conceited, you are actually narcissistic enough to want validation and affirmation.

 

[Wallaby]

However, this failed. The group calling itself, unironically The Cult of Popefire, which later became Jesus Campaign was intent on waging war on the group known as the War Campaign under the veil of faux outrage and victim-culture. Attempts to mend bridges, find accountable parties and negotiations all broke down and failed. These individuals were largely affiliated with John Del Arroz and Vox Day; two individuals that sought to usurp and weaponize #ComicsGate into a Far-Right Wing tool by creating Far-Right Comic Books to combat the Far-Left Comic Books dominating the industry.

This coup ultimately failed, resulting in a splintered community and many of my own plans for progress being delayed and foiled by the very same behaviour.
...
The first group was Ethan Van Sciver's Side -- Creators, Influencers and Fans that believed the community was to embrace new customers and be an ever expanding movement.
The second group was the Vox Day Side -- Creators, Influencers and Fans that believed the market was limited and should be controlled by Right Wing creators for so long as the "fad" of #ComicsGate endured.

The first group largely devoted their time and creative energy to the production of content targeting the mainstream, flaws within and promotion of their own work under the spirit of Jon Malin's motto "Everyone grab an Oar!"

The second group largely devoted their time and creative energy to attacking, conspiring against and spreading lies about, other ComicsGate Creators. Many within this group had been scorned lovers of the movement, driven out when the majority of the movement voted with their dollar and made it clear that they wanted to expand and see MORE new talent and a revitalised industry.

In the months that would follow the Vox Group (using alias' like Cherries, the Cult of Popefire, JesusCampaign, etc.) would woo over larger creators like Doug TenNapel and Mike Miller by appealing to their egos. At the time of writing this I cannot confirm how deeply involved both the aforementioned men were in their attempts to disassemble CG and humble the Expansionists but data compiled on one Edwin Boyette leads me to believe that it was their goal to destroy the movement from within for a significant amount of time before they made their public move.

There's so much paranoid delusion in this post, I felt I had to create an account here finally just to address this post. Liam, I truly hope you're just playing a character and LARPing that you actually believe the above, because if not, with all the talk of "affiliations" and "coups", you need serious help.

Okay, that said, all of the above from Liam is imaginary. I was going to say bullshit, but out of genuine concern for the mental health of the author, I'll just say that it's all things that his mind has made up to make sense of things that he doesn't have direct knowledge of and doesn't understand. I've not seen this particular assembly of random & unconnected concepts put together in quite this way before, but it seems especially delusional, hence this very long response.

So, just as an overarching theme here, vox day is a complete non-entity and has nothing whatsoever to do with any of this. He's a powerless and pathetic little man with no influence on anything in CG. I think it's fair to say that the vast, vast majority of people in the groups you mention as being affiliated with vox absolutely despise him and would sooner spit in his face than ever do anything for or with him in any way. I intentionally do not capitalize his name, as is my tendency with anyone and everyone I have no respect for or who disgusts me in some way. vox has nothing to do with anything. Get over vox. He's a nobody and nobody gives a shit about him.

As for the rest, allow me to explain (for the 100th time) these other groups. I've done this various places, in various forms before, and people either don't believe me, don't see it, or I guess intentionally "forget" what I said. The following is absolutely, 100% true and complete and does not leave out ANY actual motivations, plans, ops, or schemes on the part of these groups. If you think a group below has done something else of significance, you're wrong - it's all in your head. You've imagined it. This is what these groups are, and absolutely nothing more:

Cherries/Cherry Coalition: This is a group of about 15-20 (my estimate) people who enjoyed watching a daily YouTube show called Today, Back in the Day, by a YouTuber who goes by the name of Midnight Cherry TV. The show ran nearly every day for 365 days and focused on historical events that took place on the current date throughout history. The episodes are still up on Cherry's channel, so feel free to check them out. Some inside jokes developed throughout that year, including wondering what popes may have died, what martyrs or hermits may have been born or died, what the Christian Feast Days were that day, stupid UN "holidays" and Azerbaijani holidays, among others. It was an unspoken rule that the chat was to focus on #HistoryOnly, jokes about what Cherry was talking about, etc., and absolutely no talk of comics, ComicsGate, drama, or whatever. It was 10 minutes out of every day, drama-free, joking around with a few friends. As a joke, some of the people who would hang out there put cherries in their Twitter handles. I did for like a month. It made people fucking paranoid, which was, and is, kind of hilarious. *SOME* of the people in that group don't like CG. Some do. Some don't like WC. Some do. They/we are all individuals. I'd venture to say, however, that NONE of them like vox in any way. At no time was there ever any planning or scheming or colluding on anything. Just individuals with individual opinions, who also liked to hang out together for 10 minutes and joke about history. That is it. That is all. Cherry does videos breaking down LEGOs now. Whatever else you think of this "cabal" is completely imaginary. Get over it. I won't go into whatever individual beefs people in this group have with WC, as that's all they are - *individual* arguments. No groupthink here, and I tend to let people fight their own battles rather than white-knight.

Church of Starfire: Yes, I said Church of Starfire, not Cult of Popefire. The latter is not a thing. Get your fucking names straight. Started by Popefire, huge fan of Starfire from Teen Titans. As I understand it, Popefire helped a lot of small independent comics creators by fundraising for them. Also as I understand it, WC has some problem with her. I have no idea why. My only *guess* is that she was doing a lot to help creators while also being a kind & likable person, which made the WC model of assholery look bad by comparison, so she had to be made an example of. But that's just pure speculation, based on what I know of her and them. Regardless, the "Church" is a group of like 4-5 people who also like Starfire, do video reviews of Starfire-related comics, TV shows, and movies, and play Overwatch and Halo together. Again, that's fucking IT. That's all. A small group of friends, who also fucking hate vox, who talk about a comic book character and play video games. And Popefire is a sweetheart who helps people make comics and LARPs as her own little comic book character, basically. I know, this is utterly TERRIFYING stuff here, but it's true. Get the fuck over it.

Finally, JesusCampaign? I, uh... I don't know what that is, lol. Is this what Mike & Edwin call themselves? I really don't know, but I know it has nothing to do with the Church of Starfire. This is the first I've heard that phrase, but I don't really watch those guys much any more. I personally have no animus towards either of them; I just find their content a little boring (no offense). If doug is in this group, well, I find him to be a slimeball & not worth my time at all. So I don't know what all this is, but if I'm right about who it is, I'm also fairly certain none of those guys like anything vox stands for, and this has nothing to do with Popefire or Cherry or anything else. One thing's for certain - vox is a piece of shit and NOBODY likes him. So just disabuse yourself of this idea that he's masterminding ANYTHING. He's an idiot.

That's it. Happy Sunday.
Love,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Marsupial


P.S. I'll stick in the Cult of Raven here as well, though you didn't mention it. I'm guessing you got it mixed up with the CoS. CoR is pure fiction. It doesn't exist. Nothing to see here. No cabal bent on world domination and the exultation of Raven, Best Titan and Goddess Supreme, Master of All She Surveys and Sworn Enemy of the Church of Starfire and its Pope. All of that is just rumors and innuendo. I don't know where this nonsense comes from. Hail Raven.

P.P.S. That P.S. was tongue-in-cheek, for anybody who couldn't tell. The rest was completely serious. And Hail Raven again.

 

[Comic's Best Sandwich]

The fact people want to drudge up the past without context is WHY I decided to post here. Its the same tired contrivances by the same sad people that have nothing better to do with their time... and apparently think thirsty weirdo thottery is totally normal. If we want to talk lolcows, everyone is pointing in the wrong direction. The weirdo degenerate psychos that do nothing but spend day in day out pretending theyre villainous masterminds is infinitely more autistic and worthy of attention.

This is going to fall on deaf ears, but maybe you need to stop and think about what events in your life led you to spinning a massive, laughable conspiracy theory and then sharing it on a forum that makes fun of exceptional people.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

It takes one man to change the world. Stan Lee came into the industry much as it is now and though hardwork and hustle he became an icon.

Do you want to change the world or do you want to become an icon?

Superheroes existed long before Stan Lee picked up his pen. Not to diminish Stan's accomplishments, but a lot of what he accomplished was due to timing (the baby boom), nepotism (his family owned the publisher) and the hard work of industry veteran artists. You can create great books that result in six figure indiegogo campaigns, but when Stan wrote the first Fantastic Four, he already had a distribution system in place that put his books into the hands of millions of kids across the country. You have nowhere near that reach, and never will.

 

[Zigzag]

This is Liam Gray the Creator of XENOTYPE here. I'm here for the same reason I am a part of #ComicsGate. Reviewing this thread I've found a lot of cleverly presented misdirection. Things which are technically true but presented in such a way as to mislead the reader or spark outrage. I'm going to briefly take this time to make my motives very clear and trust the better judgement of the farms.

I have been actively working towards reformation of the Comic Book Industry for nearly a decade. You will find my earliest commentary on the corruption within the industry on Chris Bechtloff's channel years before the rise of ComicsGate. For nearly a decade The Powers That Be have distanced themselves from their fans under the thin veneer of comic book celebrity, established pros with an outstanding record have been laid off, and the Big Two have been chasing the dollar instead of producing quality product to earn it.

Worse,current publishing companies rarely receive, review or critique art portfolios for young and up coming talent. The industry where new creators were shepherded in, trained and taught the CRAFT of comic book creation was slain by selfish, self-serving individuals. The Independent Comic book scene (contrary to what you are told and a few breakout hits) was largely a wasteland. For every Saga there were a hundred Passion Projects feigning success.

While I am sure this is a non-concern to many people reading this post, to me (someone who deeply cares about the future of the industry) this was a big concern. I spent many years alone trying to find a way of helping spread awareness and improving the industry. Then, following the election of Trump an already sick and divided industry fell into full blown chaos. Republicans and Right leaning Individuals (a number not just myself) were ostracised. Friendships imploded, business relationships ended, myself and a number of ghosties were cold axed. It sucked.

My great crime, the one that cost me my mentor, my access, my work, my friends was presenting the following question to the wrong individual which resulted in an explosive fit the likes of which you have not seen since preschool:

"But surely, the only way to prevent truck loads of women and children from entering the boarder would be to construct a physical barrier, a wall, between Mexico and the USA?"

This alone, not a heated argument, not a fight ended everything for me. I'd been kept from "right wing" thinkers in the comic book industry, kept from most everyone actually (my life was keeping my head down and learning and writing) so when I was compared to Ethan Van Sciver, I looked him up on Facebook and added him as a friend. There I found there were others like me and after being unable to build a working relationship in the indies scene for "being a Nazi" (a belief set I do not live by or endorse), I finally had FRIENDS that didn't act like radical backstabbing lunatics.

Which, if you've patiently been reading this far brings me to why I joined ComicsGate and Why This Movement is so important to me.

First I reached out to Chuck Dixon, with no reply, then Ya Boy Zack only for him to tell me at the time he had no interest in producing comics. I knew that if we were to help fix the industry and help it endure, we needed to make books. So I persevered and in time Ethan stepped into ComicsGate, announced CyberFrog and gave me pause to move into ComicsGate. Up until this point, having been involved in GamerGate, I wanted to avoid the "Gate" tag but as more swell came, even if I was not involved in the initial wave, I was happy to see a counter culture rising. I knew, without a doubt, that this would be our last real chance to save the industry; by making more money than the Dinosaur Comic Book Industry we could out-perform them and sway influence back towards more reasonable creators.

Creating this alternate industry, this better industry where we can serve YOU and create GREAT STORIES again, ENDURING STORIES, has ALWAYS been my motivation.

However, there are actors, many of whom are among the Independents, many of whom claim to be the founders of ComicsGate who believe the customer base is limited and when Pros entered it, rather than welcoming them they saw it as an invasion. Unable to compete in quality, rather than seeking to better themselves or form a stronger relationship with their customer base they went on the attack.

Ethan Van Sciver boomed into success with his foray into STAR WARS which grew the movement and largely allowed us to reach many disenfranchised and disillusioned fans that had otherwise fled the industry after years of neglect and abuse. Shortly thereafter, predators attempted to usurp his audience and breed conflict between individuals within the movement. I did everything within my power, as a centrist, as an early founder of the movement, to maintain order and peace between the factions.

However, this failed. The group calling itself, unironically The Cult of Popefire, which later became Jesus Campaign was intent on waging war on the group known as the War Campaign under the veil of faux outrage and victim-culture. Attempts to mend bridges, find accountable parties and negotiations all broke down and failed. These individuals were largely affiliated with John Del Arroz and Vox Day; two individuals that sought to usurp and weaponize #ComicsGate into a Far-Right Wing tool by creating Far-Right Comic Books to combat the Far-Left Comic Books dominating the industry.

This coup ultimately failed, resulting in a splintered community and many of my own plans for progress being delayed and foiled by the very same behaviour. I'd been trying to escape in the mainstream comics and existing independent scene. Driven by a culture of shame, self-loathing and envy these self-entitled clowns found reasons to gripe and when they didnt have any, they invented new ones. People say that during this era #ComicsGate splintered into many groups but it was my observation that there were two definitive groups; with one group harboring a number of shadow groups to avoid accountability for less than ethical practices and the spread of lies and misinformation.

The first group was Ethan Van Sciver's Side -- Creators, Influencers and Fans that believed the community was to embrace new customers and be an ever expanding movement.
The second group was the Vox Day Side -- Creators, Influencers and Fans that believed the market was limited and should be controlled by Right Wing creators for so long as the "fad" of #ComicsGate endured.

The first group largely devoted their time and creative energy to the production of content targeting the mainstream, flaws within and promotion of their own work under the spirit of Jon Malin's motto "Everyone grab an Oar!"

The second group largely devoted their time and creative energy to attacking, conspiring against and spreading lies about, other ComicsGate Creators. Many within this group had been scorned lovers of the movement, driven out when the majority of the movement voted with their dollar and made it clear that they wanted to expand and see MORE new talent and a revitalised industry.

In the months that would follow the Vox Group (using alias' like Cherries, the Cult of Popefire, JesusCampaign, etc.) would woo over larger creators like Doug TenNapel and Mike Miller by appealing to their egos. At the time of writing this I cannot confirm how deeply involved both the aforementioned men were in their attempts to disassemble CG and humble the Expansionists but data compiled on one Edwin Boyette leads me to believe that it was their goal to destroy the movement from within for a significant amount of time before they made their public move.

Seeing this chaos, I attempted to build bridges, explain the lasting harm if we continued down this path... but by then it was too late.

The Conspirators had managed to become significant Influencers and had no real interest in ever helping to mend or revitalise the industry. Instead, they worked from within to turn friend against friend and then bragged about the break away from the movement. They made subtle threats and practiced double speak and provocation instead of personal accountability. They shielded themselves in a number of names and aliases, even spending money in the form of $2.00 donations on IndieGOGO campaigns so they could appear as a large number of dissatisfied or outraged customers on the campaigns of individuals associated with Ethan Van Sciver, Jon Malin and the YouTube personality known as Cecil.

The goal of the Conspirators was (is) to destroy the movement because they still believe there is a limited market and the success of larger or more popular creators is diminishing the success of their own comic book ventures.

It has been my experience that not all Conspirators (or Antis) are bad people. Many have legitimate grievances with delays in schedules or feel personally slighted by the actions of other creators. However, largely, the majority have been whipped into a faux outrage by people without legitimate grievances and often by bad actors that hope to undermine and destroy the industry for their own (brief) personal reward.

I realise this has been a long post but please take my words into some consideration if you have the time. The united goal of ComicsGate, my goal, has always been to help revitalise and help the industry. It is why I choose to work in this career at a continued financial loss to myself and it is why I spend so much of my time trying to teach, help and uplift others like I was when I first came into this big bad world of superheroes (before everything went insane!).

I don't expect sympathy but please be informed in your judgement. When Trustfund Kids like Pocket Jack, whose Mary Sue comic purely exists to indulge in some perverse gender swap self-inset sexual fantasy are the one pointing the fingers and spreading lies. When these individuals openly practice the propaganda tactics of Communists and Socialists while working to impose their beliefs upon your children and a crumbling industry, someone has to step up and do something.

I'm no saint, I'm not perfect, but I'm here at great personal cost to myself and I am trying to help... and that is a hell of a lot more than most of these other jackasses can say for themselves. I'll always be straight with you guys (all my customers) even if I come off looking like an idiot or a bitch. I'll never lie to your faces or spread misinformation to hurt other people... and frankly... only an idiot would do that on the Farms and think they wouldnt get caught.

... Jack.

I get you’re in love with yourself. I don’t know you but reading this was like a promotion of one self. Nobody cares how you feel your the Moses of cg.

 

[Adamska]

Something is VERY wrong with you.

Get medicated, then get fucked.

Do your job first, then peacock when fulfilled. And no, a going stagnant yt channel you fish drama for doesn't count as your damn job.

This is Liam Gray the Creator of XENOTYPE here. I'm here for the same reason I am a part of #ComicsGate. Reviewing this thread I've found a lot of cleverly presented misdirection. Things which are technically true but presented in such a way as to mislead the reader or spark outrage. I'm going to briefly take this time to make my motives very clear and trust the better judgement of the farms.

I have been actively working towards reformation of the Comic Book Industry for nearly a decade. You will find my earliest commentary on the corruption within the industry on Chris Bechtloff's channel years before the rise of ComicsGate. For nearly a decade The Powers That Be have distanced themselves from their fans under the thin veneer of comic book celebrity, established pros with an outstanding record have been laid off, and the Big Two have been chasing the dollar instead of producing quality product to earn it.

Worse,current publishing companies rarely receive, review or critique art portfolios for young and up coming talent. The industry where new creators were shepherded in, trained and taught the CRAFT of comic book creation was slain by selfish, self-serving individuals. The Independent Comic book scene (contrary to what you are told and a few breakout hits) was largely a wasteland. For every Saga there were a hundred Passion Projects feigning success.

While I am sure this is a non-concern to many people reading this post, to me (someone who deeply cares about the future of the industry) this was a big concern. I spent many years alone trying to find a way of helping spread awareness and improving the industry. Then, following the election of Trump an already sick and divided industry fell into full blown chaos. Republicans and Right leaning Individuals (a number not just myself) were ostracised. Friendships imploded, business relationships ended, myself and a number of ghosties were cold axed. It sucked.

My great crime, the one that cost me my mentor, my access, my work, my friends was presenting the following question to the wrong individual which resulted in an explosive fit the likes of which you have not seen since preschool:

"But surely, the only way to prevent truck loads of women and children from entering the boarder would be to construct a physical barrier, a wall, between Mexico and the USA?"

This alone, not a heated argument, not a fight ended everything for me. I'd been kept from "right wing" thinkers in the comic book industry, kept from most everyone actually (my life was keeping my head down and learning and writing) so when I was compared to Ethan Van Sciver, I looked him up on Facebook and added him as a friend. There I found there were others like me and after being unable to build a working relationship in the indies scene for "being a Nazi" (a belief set I do not live by or endorse), I finally had FRIENDS that didn't act like radical backstabbing lunatics.

Which, if you've patiently been reading this far brings me to why I joined ComicsGate and Why This Movement is so important to me.

First I reached out to Chuck Dixon, with no reply, then Ya Boy Zack only for him to tell me at the time he had no interest in producing comics. I knew that if we were to help fix the industry and help it endure, we needed to make books. So I persevered and in time Ethan stepped into ComicsGate, announced CyberFrog and gave me pause to move into ComicsGate. Up until this point, having been involved in GamerGate, I wanted to avoid the "Gate" tag but as more swell came, even if I was not involved in the initial wave, I was happy to see a counter culture rising. I knew, without a doubt, that this would be our last real chance to save the industry; by making more money than the Dinosaur Comic Book Industry we could out-perform them and sway influence back towards more reasonable creators.

Creating this alternate industry, this better industry where we can serve YOU and create GREAT STORIES again, ENDURING STORIES, has ALWAYS been my motivation.

However, there are actors, many of whom are among the Independents, many of whom claim to be the founders of ComicsGate who believe the customer base is limited and when Pros entered it, rather than welcoming them they saw it as an invasion. Unable to compete in quality, rather than seeking to better themselves or form a stronger relationship with their customer base they went on the attack.

Ethan Van Sciver boomed into success with his foray into STAR WARS which grew the movement and largely allowed us to reach many disenfranchised and disillusioned fans that had otherwise fled the industry after years of neglect and abuse. Shortly thereafter, predators attempted to usurp his audience and breed conflict between individuals within the movement. I did everything within my power, as a centrist, as an early founder of the movement, to maintain order and peace between the factions.

However, this failed. The group calling itself, unironically The Cult of Popefire, which later became Jesus Campaign was intent on waging war on the group known as the War Campaign under the veil of faux outrage and victim-culture. Attempts to mend bridges, find accountable parties and negotiations all broke down and failed. These individuals were largely affiliated with John Del Arroz and Vox Day; two individuals that sought to usurp and weaponize #ComicsGate into a Far-Right Wing tool by creating Far-Right Comic Books to combat the Far-Left Comic Books dominating the industry.

This coup ultimately failed, resulting in a splintered community and many of my own plans for progress being delayed and foiled by the very same behaviour. I'd been trying to escape in the mainstream comics and existing independent scene. Driven by a culture of shame, self-loathing and envy these self-entitled clowns found reasons to gripe and when they didnt have any, they invented new ones. People say that during this era #ComicsGate splintered into many groups but it was my observation that there were two definitive groups; with one group harboring a number of shadow groups to avoid accountability for less than ethical practices and the spread of lies and misinformation.

The first group was Ethan Van Sciver's Side -- Creators, Influencers and Fans that believed the community was to embrace new customers and be an ever expanding movement.
The second group was the Vox Day Side -- Creators, Influencers and Fans that believed the market was limited and should be controlled by Right Wing creators for so long as the "fad" of #ComicsGate endured.

The first group largely devoted their time and creative energy to the production of content targeting the mainstream, flaws within and promotion of their own work under the spirit of Jon Malin's motto "Everyone grab an Oar!"

The second group largely devoted their time and creative energy to attacking, conspiring against and spreading lies about, other ComicsGate Creators. Many within this group had been scorned lovers of the movement, driven out when the majority of the movement voted with their dollar and made it clear that they wanted to expand and see MORE new talent and a revitalised industry.

In the months that would follow the Vox Group (using alias' like Cherries, the Cult of Popefire, JesusCampaign, etc.) would woo over larger creators like Doug TenNapel and Mike Miller by appealing to their egos. At the time of writing this I cannot confirm how deeply involved both the aforementioned men were in their attempts to disassemble CG and humble the Expansionists but data compiled on one Edwin Boyette leads me to believe that it was their goal to destroy the movement from within for a significant amount of time before they made their public move.

Seeing this chaos, I attempted to build bridges, explain the lasting harm if we continued down this path... but by then it was too late.

The Conspirators had managed to become significant Influencers and had no real interest in ever helping to mend or revitalise the industry. Instead, they worked from within to turn friend against friend and then bragged about the break away from the movement. They made subtle threats and practiced double speak and provocation instead of personal accountability. They shielded themselves in a number of names and aliases, even spending money in the form of $2.00 donations on IndieGOGO campaigns so they could appear as a large number of dissatisfied or outraged customers on the campaigns of individuals associated with Ethan Van Sciver, Jon Malin and the YouTube personality known as Cecil.

The goal of the Conspirators was (is) to destroy the movement because they still believe there is a limited market and the success of larger or more popular creators is diminishing the success of their own comic book ventures.

It has been my experience that not all Conspirators (or Antis) are bad people. Many have legitimate grievances with delays in schedules or feel personally slighted by the actions of other creators. However, largely, the majority have been whipped into a faux outrage by people without legitimate grievances and often by bad actors that hope to undermine and destroy the industry for their own (brief) personal reward.

I realise this has been a long post but please take my words into some consideration if you have the time. The united goal of ComicsGate, my goal, has always been to help revitalise and help the industry. It is why I choose to work in this career at a continued financial loss to myself and it is why I spend so much of my time trying to teach, help and uplift others like I was when I first came into this big bad world of superheroes (before everything went insane!).

I don't expect sympathy but please be informed in your judgement. When Trustfund Kids like Pocket Jack, whose Mary Sue comic purely exists to indulge in some perverse gender swap self-inset sexual fantasy are the one pointing the fingers and spreading lies. When these individuals openly practice the propaganda tactics of Communists and Socialists while working to impose their beliefs upon your children and a crumbling industry, someone has to step up and do something.

I'm no saint, I'm not perfect, but I'm here at great personal cost to myself and I am trying to help... and that is a hell of a lot more than most of these other jackasses can say for themselves. I'll always be straight with you guys (all my customers) even if I come off looking like an idiot or a bitch. I'll never lie to your faces or spread misinformation to hurt other people... and frankly... only an idiot would do that on the Farms and think they wouldnt get caught.

... Jack.

If I can't be fucked to read the last guy who blogged on here (and got threadbanned for it too by the way, good cowardice here buddy), what THE FUCK makes you think I'll read this longwinded tinfoil shit that you wrote to absolve the gang from not being able to fucking close on a good time scale and shit on potential buyers for having opinions, standards, and expectations for their investments? What possessed you to show off your crippling Type B personality disorder, because this is as delusional as Teddy claiming he's the White Savior.

You suck at scheduling and priorities; and act like teenage girls in the sad attempt to chase e-fame that is fleeting. Then some people catch this behavior and decide to call you for it, simple as that. And now you're pretending to work hard when these tard walls take like a half hour at a time to sperg out from... so even more fucked schedule priority.

And we already have a thread where we mock Teddy for his contrarian insecure horseshit, so this doesn't even apply at all.

 

[Tyne]

Lookie lookie, its all the same faces. Keep on obfuscating guys. Everyone can see through you. The War Campaign has records of all of this. Screenshots, dates, times. Its all jotted away in files. Everyone saw it happen. You can try to call me paranoid or delusional or whatever but no one is going to buy it. The two faced lies and backstabbing won't last forever.

I love how everyone tries to make the Anti's into this sprawling network when its the same tired 24ish people in different groups, calling themselves different things. They all hangout together, they all spend their days in discord bitching about the same people and stuff. They all spread the same lies and propaganda. They're all the same people backing up Lim, JDA and the Spaghetti War.

This is going to fall on deaf ears, but maybe you need to stop and think about what events in your life led you to spinning a massive, laughable conspiracy theory and then sharing it on a forum that makes fun of exceptional people.

I didn't spin a conspiracy theory, I watched it all unfold. I was told to get inline and get on board or get out. I chose to get out and jumped ship to War Campaign. Its all the same people.

Okay, that said, all of the above from Liam is imaginary. I was going to say bullshit, but out of genuine concern for the mental health of the author, I'll just say that it's all things that his mind has made up to make sense of things that he doesn't have direct knowledge of and doesn't understand. I've not seen this particular assembly of random & unconnected concepts put together in quite this way before, but it seems especially delusional, hence this very long response.

Its a long response because I am trying to, as briefly as possible, compile nearly two years of weekly "schemes and scams" by hostile individuals running a dedicated smear campaign against multiple creators. There is even more but its just too much. When I say "they spend everyday sitting in discord plotting and bitching" that is not a complaint. Their discord groups have internal rooms purely dedicated to conspiracy and making up faux grievances.

Its the reason you see the same complaints over and over once they THINK they've got a good one. And now here we are, gas-lighting Liam. Trying to attack my mental health. Trying to make it out like I have no credibility or knowledge. Trying to undermine my voice. Why?

Because you KNOW as well as I do that the ONLY reason the Antis have any influence or power at all is because of the lies they spread. Without them and their Propaganda and Doctrine, they're nothing.

Oh, and while we're talking narcissists and how I love myself (Hey, someone's got to!). My long-winded posts are designed to be as informative as possible given the information I myself have personally experienced, witnessed and had delivered to me by multiple other creators over the space of two years. Its for individuals that might actually care about what is REALLY going on behind the scenes and why things seem like a mess.

#ComicsGate is still funding books and uplifting creators. We're still working towards improving the industry and the fans love us.

Thank you for your time and Merry Christmas.

P.S.:

Do you want to change the world or do you want to become an icon?

I've said this before but I want to help at least one other kid the way I was. That has been my goal for becoming a comic book writer from the beginning. I live in Australia and the Comic Book Publishers here do not even take submissions. Out of high school, I had no direction and nowhere to really go. In the end I needed to move to the US and Jersey to really get into the field. My goal is to do well enough with my book(s) I can change the way things are here in my country so they're a little better.

I'm not interested in being an icon and truthfully, I'd rather not even really be on YouTube, but that is the only way to do it and make my goals a reality. Ethan is an icon though and Ethan can make the changes I want to see. He's abrasive enough to speak truth to power and skilled enough to silence most critics. He has a massive social media presence and charisma that I don't. He's a big draw. His success is my success. And its the success of other independent creators that want to make a career out of this.

I agree with you on distribution and it is something I have been considering for you some and have plans to address.

Thank you for this post and your time. It showed you were informed and I enjoyed your perspective. I hope I have clarified.

 

[Adamska]

Lookie lookie, its all the same faces. Keep on obfuscating guys. Everyone can see through you. The War Campaign has records of all of this. Screenshots, dates, times. Its all jotted away in files. Everyone saw it happen. You can try to call me paranoid or delusional or whatever but no one is going to buy it. The two faced lies and backstabbing won't last forever.

I love how everyone tries to make the Anti's into this sprawling network when its the same tired 24ish people in different groups, calling themselves different things. They all hangout together, they all spend their days in discord bitching about the same people and stuff. They all spread the same lies and propaganda. They're all the same people backing up Lim, JDA and the Spaghetti War.

This is going to fall on deaf ears, but maybe you need to stop and think about what events in your life led you to spinning a massive, laughable conspiracy theory and then sharing it on a forum that makes fun of exceptional people.

I didn't spin a conspiracy theory, I watched it all unfold. I was told to get inline and get on board or get out. I chose to get out and jumped ship to War Campaign. Its all the same people.

Okay, that said, all of the above from Liam is imaginary. I was going to say bullshit, but out of genuine concern for the mental health of the author, I'll just say that it's all things that his mind has made up to make sense of things that he doesn't have direct knowledge of and doesn't understand. I've not seen this particular assembly of random & unconnected concepts put together in quite this way before, but it seems especially delusional, hence this very long response.

Its a long response because I am trying to, as briefly as possible, compile nearly two years of weekly "schemes and scams" by hostile individuals running a dedicated smear campaign against multiple creators. There is even more but its just too much. When I say "they spend everyday sitting in discord plotting and bitching" that is not a complaint. Their discord groups have internal rooms purely dedicated to conspiracy and making up faux grievances.

Its the reason you see the same complaints over and over once they THINK they've got a good one. And now we are, gas-lighting Liam. Trying to attack my mental health. Trying to make it out like I have no credibility or knowledge. Trying to undermine my voice. Why?

Because you KNOW as well as I do that the ONLY reason the Antis have any influence or power at all is because of the lies they spread. Without them and their Propaganda and Doctrine, they're nothing.

Oh, and while we're talking narcissists and how I love myself (Hey, someone's got to!). My long-winded posts are designed to be as informative as possible given the information I myself have personally experienced, witnessed and had delivered to me by multiple other creators over the space of two years. Its for individuals that might actually care about what is REALLY going on behind the scenes and why things seem like a mess.

#ComicsGate is still funding books and uplifting creators. We're still working towards improving the industry and the fans love us.

Thank you for your time and Merry Christmas.

P.S.:

Do you want to change the world or do you want to become an icon?

I've said this before but I want to help at least one other kid the way I was. That has been my goal for becoming a comic book writer from the beginning. I live in Australia and the Comic Book Publishers here do not even take submissions. Out of high school, I had no direction and nowhere to really go. In the end I needed to move to the US and Jersey to really get into the field. My goal is to do well enough with my book(s) I can change the way things are here in my country so things are a little better.

I'm not interested in being an icon and truthfully, I'd rather not even really be on YouTube, but that is the only way to do it and make my goals a reality. Ethan is an icon though and Ethan can make the changes I want to see. He's abrasive enough to speak truth to power and skilled enough to silence most critics. He has a massive social media presence and charisma that I don't. He's a big draw. His success is my success. And its the success of other independent creators that want to make a career out of this.

Thank you for this post and your time. It showed you were informed and I enjoyed your perspective. I hope I have clarified.

You're paranoid and delusional, and you get off on the same fart huffs that Ted Beale does (IE trying and failing to hide a savior complex and causing drama in the sad attempt to bolster views).

This is a brand new kind of Gay Op. It's... ADVANCED Gay Ops.

 

[Zigzag]

If it’s just a handful of people then why does it bother you enough to come in here?