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In a just war, yes, but I doubt that WW1 specifically was driven by a desire for justice or righteousness more than nationalist revanchism.
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That's a mistranslation. It's "though shall not murder." God is perfectly fine with killing in the name of the law and sending them to Him for judgement, so long as there's due process.
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If I remember correctly the original Hebrew word has an intermediate meaning between our conception of “kill” and “murder”, meaning that just because something isn’t legally considered a murder doesn’t automatically make it OK but also it doesn’t forbid killing in every instance.
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I would look to the first murderer and see how the Hebrews handled the distinction between killing and murder and draw your own conclusions from the available material.
I'm not sold on murder having to be a premeditated killing, but above are Google AI screen shots to start your further looking into if you care to.
ETA: Cain's punishment was before Mosaic law, closest thing I can approximate would be Hammurabi's code, which is the "eye for an eye " system of justice. This is the only reason I can think of that would have Cain afraid of his punishment of wandering in a mostly unpopulated world, but it wasn't so bad that he couldn't find a wife...
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Melanin is a sign of protection and aphrodesiac for women. Cain was well protected.
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Were Judas and romans in the wrong?
They killed Jesus... but that was part of prophecy, right? Even if they didn't do it, someone else would have to.
They killed Jesus... but that was part of prophecy, right? Even if they didn't do it, someone else would have to.
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Did they not still have free will to not do it?
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Yes, but it was a prophecy, so someone would need to do it. The question would just change subjects.
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The only two people whose fate has been sealed since the beginning are the antichrist and false prophet, given what John 17 and Revelation 20 teach. Jesus Himself also says in John 10:35 that the scripture cannot be broken. Judas repented for betraying Jesus, but at the same time he still hanged himself out of guilt (because he did not forgive himself) and is in Hell right now as a result of self-murder.
EDIT: wrote "killing" instead of "betraying" - sorry @Sneaky lurker and @Squanto Airi
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it depends on how you view the nature of prophecies. is the prophecy the first cause? or is it the summation of events that have occured and is rely by a being that exists outside of the contraints of time (God)?
it's like how prots say mary was merely a woman and if she rejected God and another woman accepted the we'd be talking about the other woman. the person who acts accordingly is the one that's important.
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I don't think we accept or acknowledge lineage in the same context of importance that was ascribed 2000 years ago, where the Messiah had to be in the line of David, and that lineage had to be passed from Joseph, not Mary even though Joseph had no hand in the virgin birth... to make matters more confused, the Jewish lineage is passed by the mothers now... what's in a name?
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it's a point against the tradition of "the mother of God". You can take "did judas' actions matter because it was prophesied" and turn into "did christ's death matter given he knew he would resurrect" and turn that into "since God knows who will believe and who won't, does it really matter if I'm a christian? deus vult!"
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If we are waiting for all the prophecies fulfillment, would Christ be hanging from the tree indefinitely until he was given vinegar to drink from the hyssop leaf? We are left with faith that things happened the way we are told they did and how important are the minute details...
God of course can cover every detail perfectly but as men we fail to do. I was in high school when 9/11 happened and 25 years later we barely have faith in any of the story's truth besides 3 planes crashed into buildings and one crashed into a field that day... same idea with JFK only that was 63 years ago and even less is believed the more time passes.
In the same vein I take on faith that Jesus of Nazareth was crucified to death under Pilot and resurrected on the third day. I'm not sure the minutia past that matters all that much, but it makes for fun conversations about who were the sons of perdition in each case.
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"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
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would anyone be interested in hearing me sperg about my personal encounter with miracles
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The Biblical answer would be that God would prefer we avoid sin to the best of our abilities. So yes, they were in the wrong, and it was necessary for it to be unjust.
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God can create goodness out of broken and bad things. Just like how you trying to "gotcha" Christians and scurrying away like a bug when a serious answer is given can make us discuss theology more.
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Unrelated to your second question so forgive the incoming Jewsperging.
Pilate didn't kill Jesus, he did everything he could to avoid doing it himself, and after exhausting every other option he washed his hands and told the Pharisees/Jews to do it themselves. Similarly, Judas didn't kill Jesus, he only betrayed him and repented of said betrayal. Now you can argue that both of them the event in motion, but Pilate was faced with either giving up Jesus to the Jews or revolt and likely Jesus' death regardless, and Judas truly felt remorse for his betrayal and was only damned for killing himself. Contrary to Vatican II and Evangelical Protestants in the US the death of Christ is meant to be absolution for original sin, not for any other sin, so when the crowd (of Jews) yelled "His blood be on us and our children" they were accepting culpability for killing the Son of Man, and the only person capable of forgiving them is God Himself.
Now when it comes to the Jesus saying "Father, forgive them, they know not what they do" it's debatable who he's referring to, whether it be the Romans crucifying Him, the Jews, the Pharisees, or all three. Even if you were to assume it was all three, the Jewish mockery of Jesus and Christianity from the time of the Second Temple up until today by both secular and religious Jews is an indictment of their character. Of course, you have the description of Jesus boiling in excrement in Hell in the Talmud, and then you have all the pop-culture sludge made by secular and atheistic Jews in the modern day mocking Christianity like Jerry Springer: The Opera.
tl;dr for the point I'm making: Jews are the ones that killed Jesus, but Jesus forgave them on the cross, however that doesn't grant them absolution for their constant mockery of Christianity.
Now when it comes to the Jesus saying "Father, forgive them, they know not what they do" it's debatable who he's referring to, whether it be the Romans crucifying Him, the Jews, the Pharisees, or all three. Even if you were to assume it was all three, the Jewish mockery of Jesus and Christianity from the time of the Second Temple up until today by both secular and religious Jews is an indictment of their character. Of course, you have the description of Jesus boiling in excrement in Hell in the Talmud, and then you have all the pop-culture sludge made by secular and atheistic Jews in the modern day mocking Christianity like Jerry Springer: The Opera.
tl;dr for the point I'm making: Jews are the ones that killed Jesus, but Jesus forgave them on the cross, however that doesn't grant them absolution for their constant mockery of Christianity.
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This ties into the prophecies being fulfilled discussion we had earlier, the Jews find any reason to deny Jesus' fulfillment of the prophecies that they think are required to be their Messiah... good thing we are waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles and aren't waiting on anyone to convert to Judaism.