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both the rich man and Lazarus (whether this be that Lazarus, or some figure) experienced a conscious afterlife.
This parable has always worried me, Abraham says to the rich man, you received your reward on earth, Lazarus suffered while alive and receives his reward after he passed through the mortal coil... what worries me is that we are supposed to store up our treasures (rewards) in heaven, is it possible to do both? (Have your needs met through life on Earth and still be building up treasures in heaven?

I'm interested in a dialouge on this topic, as I want for nothing on Earth, but Paul and Joshua both seem to have defeated the world, but the flesh and more broadly Satan were unable to be defeated by either. I understand that all of our victories actually belong to Christ, but can you have rewards both on Earth and in Heaven?
 
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Day 225 - Too many people get credit for being good, when they are only being passive. They are too often praised for being broadminded when they are so broadminded they can never make up their minds about anything.
 
This parable has always worried me, Abraham says to the rich man, you received your reward on earth, Lazarus suffered while alive and receives his reward after he passed through the mortal coil... what worries me is that we are supposed to store up our treasures (rewards) in heaven, is it possible to do both? (Have your needs met through life on Earth and still be building up treasures in heaven?

I'm interested in a dialouge on this topic, as I want for nothing on Earth, but Paul and Joshua both seem to have defeated the world, but the flesh and more broadly Satan were unable to be defeated by either. I understand that all of our victories actually belong to Christ, but can you have rewards both on Earth and in Heaven?
Abraham was rich. Isaac was rich. So was Jacob. So was Job. So was Boaz. Joseph of Arimathea was able to use his wealth to fulfil prophecy by having Jesus laid in his tomb.

There is nothing wrong with wealth. The problem is when money comes before (and therefore instead of) God.
 
Abraham was rich. Isaac was rich. So was Jacob. So was Job. So was Boaz. Joseph of Arimathea was able to use his wealth to fulfil prophecy by having Jesus laid in his tomb.

There is nothing wrong with wealth. The problem is when money comes before (and therefore instead of) God.
So the rich man could have fed Lazarus (or done a similar kindness) to avoid being used in this parable? I practice kindness on the streets around me and I understand why you never see proper church folk doing it, as you are exposing yourself to the sins of this world and it is easy to be overcome by desire. It is unappealing to become a target of robbery because you are known to have wealth and share it, but Christ said the world hated him and it will continue to hate his followers; there's a circle I'm trying to square here, I'm just not sure what it is, something to do with the way to rob a strong man is to first bind his arms.
 
So the rich man could have fed Lazarus (or done a similar kindness) to avoid being used in this parable? I practice kindness on the streets around me and I understand why you never see proper church folk doing it, as you are exposing yourself to the sins of this world and it is easy to be overcome by desire. It is unappealing to become a target of robbery because you are known to have wealth and share it, but Christ said the world hated him and it will continue to hate his followers; there's a circle I'm trying to square here, I'm just not sure what it is, something to do with the way to rob a strong man is to first bind his arms.
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I'm not hating on billionaires, but she makes a good point.
 
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I'm not hating on billionaires, but she makes a good point.
There's a wider discussion to be had about how much you can have your money do for you without ever actually doing anything yourself... I could see both sides of which is more impactful, what do you think about it? Old Testament law was 10%, New Testament has the story of the poor widow that gave everything that she had to the offering and was said to have given more than all the rest combined. It does cost money to live, would we just give our homes up and evangalize like the disciples did, and know no home?
 
It does cost money to live, would we just give our homes up and evangalize like the disciples did, and know no home?
We're expected to put what we're given to good use, but what is the best use for material resources? I think there's no definitive answer, just as there's no definitive vocation - Priests and Spouses are both needed for the earthly Church.
 
So the rich man could have fed Lazarus (or done a similar kindness) to avoid being used in this parable? I practice kindness on the streets around me and I understand why you never see proper church folk doing it, as you are exposing yourself to the sins of this world and it is easy to be overcome by desire. It is unappealing to become a target of robbery because you are known to have wealth and share it, but Christ said the world hated him and it will continue to hate his followers; there's a circle I'm trying to square here, I'm just not sure what it is, something to do with the way to rob a strong man is to first bind his arms.
Think of it more like this: how can I use my wealth for the glory of God?

There's no one right answer to that question. In fact, I'd say there's multiple answers simultaneously. Maybe you give some away, you invest some wisely (which is commended throughout the Scriptures), and you use some to continue living comfortably, because even in that you can praise God for giving you earthly comforts and you can then use your property to host church events or something (just as an example).

It's not a situation where we must do one particular thing or else we'll be in trouble. If you trust in Jesus for your salvation, you have it, and that's the greatest wealth we can have. It's just about our mindset - as a response to what Christ has done for me, how can I best use the additional riches he has given me to further glorify him?
 
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Day 226 - A teacher who cannot explain any abstract subject to a child does not himself thoroughly understand his subject; if he does not attempt to break down his knowledge to fit the child's mind, he does not understand teaching.
 
the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses

I don't think free will can be taken as strictly contradicting determinism; then, it would have to be random, and one cannot meaningfully control a random will. Rather, to have free will is not to be governed merely by the interaction of your being with other beings (like particles colliding) but by your own form (i.e. soul) as applied to your matter.

Thus, Pharaoh was formed in a way that he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, but as it was his form, his soul, that determined this, it is still proper to say that Pharaoh has free will.

Furthermore, this is why traditionally, Christians do not think normal humans have perfectly free will. If man's telos is implicit in his form, then man's fall, his deviation from his telos, subjects him to outside influence, depriving him - to some extent - of his free will.
 
Give clarity, for in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, both the rich man and Lazarus (whether this be that Lazarus, or some figure) experienced a conscious afterlife.
A wicked person immediately goes to Hell when they die, and the Elect go to Heaven immediately. Wicked people don't cease to exist when they die.
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I'm not hating on billionaires, but she makes a good point.
There are many New Testament verses speaking out against mammon; none of the Christians in the New Testament were wealthy people who had fancy homes, clothing, vehicles (chariots?), etc. That money isn't going with anyone when they die, you entered the world naked and will leave it naked. Stuff like that is why I'm beginning to embrace minimalism as a Christian ideal.
 
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Day 227 - America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance-it is not. It is suffering from tolerance. Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.
 
missed both the transfiguration and dormition services because of laziness after work and very gay personal drama which I let get into my head. Think I'm suffering from spiritual indigestion. structured prayer also feels really strange and unstructured now since I started trying to be honest and just talk to the Lord as I am instead of just copying what other people have written down.
 
missed both the transfiguration and dormition services because of laziness after work and very gay personal drama which I let get into my head. Think I'm suffering from spiritual indigestion. structured prayer also feels really strange and unstructured now since I started trying to be honest and just talk to the Lord as I am instead of just copying what other people have written down.
Mental prayer, adoration, and lectio divina are perfect for that type of prayer. You don't need to only pray 'formal' prayers, especially if your heart isn't it in. But try praying them slower, meaning each word sincerely. And if you can't, ask the Lord for the grace you need to pray in a manner most pleasing to Him.
 
Matthew 6 gives good instruction.

6:7
And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

6:8
Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

The Lord's Prayer that follows immediately after this is so easily taken out of context and treated like a repetitious chant that we were just told not to do. Instead, it should be viewed as a template to guide how we pray, to remember that it is our Holy Father who guides and provides for us. Prayer is to humble ourselves as we wait for the return of our Lord. That's what the kingdom come part is about.

Taking the earlier parts of Matthew 6 into context starting from 6:1, we should humble ourselves in secret so that it may be sincere.
 
The Wisdom of Bl. Fulton Sheen

Day 227 - America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance-it is not. It is suffering from tolerance. Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.
There's a good Chesterton quote about how at the beginning of the Faith, Christians were offered the chance to basically put an effigy of Christ up along with other pagan gods and basically treat it like how Romans typically treated foreign gods. It would've destroyed the Faith in the name of "tolerance". It's why it grinds me when people say "Oh, you can come to God on your own or through some other path". Modern philosophy is vacuous and in the case of French Marxist theology is evil. I'm not going to brow beat someone for believing something different then me, but I will air my worries to an associate. I unfortunately am not St. Peter of Syria (truth nuked Muslims in 764ish and got hacked apart because they couldn't handle it).

Here's the quote:
The Theosophists build a pantheon; but it is only a pantheon for pantheists. They call a Parliament of Religions as a reunion of all the peoples; but it is only a reunion of all the prigs. Yet exactly such a pantheon had been set up two thousand years before by the shores of the Mediterranean; and Christians were invited to set up the image of Jesus side by side with the image of Jupiter, of Mithras, of Osiris, of Atys, or of Ammon. It was the refusal of the Christians that was the turning-point of history. If the Christians had accepted, they and the whole world would have certainly, in a grotesque but exact metaphor, gone to pot. They would all have been boiled down to one lukewarm liquid in that great pot of cosmopolitan corruption in which all the other myths and mysteries were already melting. It was an awful and an appalling escape. Nobody understands the nature of the Church, or the ringing note of the creed descending from antiquity, who does not realize that the whole world once very nearly died of broadmindedness and the brotherhood of all religions. - GK Chesterton, Orthodoxy
I tend to like Chesterton and Lewis, although Lewis was an Anglican sadly.

His word prig is honestly a more antiquated form of Redditor. He even drops N bombs in the Everlasting Man.
 
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