UN China urges citizens to have more babies

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/health/china-one-child-intl/index.html

(CNN)China appears to be backpedaling on its decades-long policies to limit population growth as it attempts to address a demographic time bomb.

The one child policy ran until 2015 when it was partially relaxed to allow some couples to have two children, but families have been slow to embrace official approval to expand.
An op-ed in a state-run newspaper titled "Giving birth is a family matter and a national issue too" is the latest to encourage couples to have more children, and call for official action to enable young people to start families.
The full-page column was published in the overseas edition of the People's Daily, mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party. It warned that "the impact of low birth rates on the economy and society has begun to show."


The piece has attracted millions of comments online, and comes as the government revealed a new official postage stamp, which seems to hint that it may drop the remaining restrictions on the number of children people can have.
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The artwork for a new official Chinese postage stamp for the upcoming Year of the Pig.
The stamp, issued this week to mark the upcoming Year of the Pig, shows two parents with three piglets. A similar commemorative stamp released to mark the Year of the Monkey in 2016 showed two baby monkeys, which was seen as a nod to the dropping of the one child policy.
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The Year of the Monkey Stamp was released to mark the start of 2016.
One child not enough
Beijing reversed its hugely controversial one child policy -- in which women were subject to forced abortions, heavy fines, and eviction if they attempted to have a second baby -- as demographic issues caused by the lack of children became increasingly apparent.
China's pool of workers is shrinking, with many young people supporting their parents and two sets of grandparents, in a country where social services for the elderly are still lacking. In 2017, the country's total fertility rate was 1.6 children per woman, well below the 2.1 rate estimated to be necessary to keep the population steady.
Simply reversing the policy has not been effective, as China's urban middle class settle into a low birth rate more in common with western countries, one that has been compounded by economic pressures.
"Especially in cities, the cost of having children is getting higher and higher. From birth to school, economic costs and time costs are rising," said the People's Daily opinion piece. "Many young people living in cities are not willing to have children."

The author of the piece, Zhang Yiqi, said that government action -- like providing educational and medical care -- was needed to encourage more people to have children: "In the face of low fertility, the government should take more targeted measures to solve it and satisfy people's yearning for and pursuit of a better life."
The op-ed attracted a massive response online, with a hashtag related to it garnering millions of views on Weibo, China's tightly controlled equivalent to Twitter.
Comments critical of the government are often deleted on Weibo, and it is unclear how much censorship may have taken place around this issue. Most of the visible posts using the hashtag were supportive of Zhang's suggestions, and the need for government action to support couples to have more children.
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Last month, China's top court began considering introducing a three month "calm-down period" for divorcing couples, to give them a chance to reconsider their decisions. Provincial governments have also offered cash subsidies to couples who get married.
However, many fear that a push towards having more children will negatively affect women, who bore the brunt of the draconian one child policy.
Women already face significant difficulties in applying for jobs, despite labor laws and regulations prohibiting gender discrimination in employment. A survey by job search website 51job.com last year found that 75% of companies had become more reluctant to hire women in the wake of the relaxed, two child policy.
"The gender gap in labor force participation has also grown," advocacy group Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in a report earlier this year.

"While the women's labor force participation rate was 83% in 2007, it had dropped to 81% of the male rate by 2017. The pay gap in urban areas has also increased."
It pointed out that many advertisements ruled out women who had not already had children, an apparent attempt to avoid paying for maternity costs.
The consequences of relaxing the one child policy, HRW predicted, "could further worsen gender discrimination" in hiring.
"Employers may be even less willing to hire women without children based on the assumption that they now could take two maternity leaves during the course of their employment."
 
The One Child Policy was a reaction to Mao telling people to breed like rabbits.


Perhaps population control on this scale is a bad idea.
The birth rate would have gone down significantly even without a one child policy; it's a side effect of industralization. It happened in Brazil; from an average of 6.21 children per woman in 1960, to 1.78 in 2015, without a one child policy.

I wonder how much, if it all, the hukou system affects this? Basically (this is my simplified American understanding, as a disclosure), if your family isn't from a place, e.g. Beijing, you can't send your kid to Beijing public schools. Rural people who move to the city for jobs therefore have the leave the kid with grandma or pay for private school. Maybe a lot of those people figure their best bet is paying for the best possible private school, but they can only afford it for one kid.
 
China has always been about quantity over quality, this should be good for them... I mean, they haven't quite figured out the whole "industrial revolution" bit, so if they want to keep up they're going to need LOTS more slave labor!
 
You know the issue the US has with boomers? How there are tons of them retiring, and nowhere near enough young people being employed to pay for the boomers' retirement?

China is having that issue on a massive fucking scale. The one child policy lead to a significantly smaller population of kids. Now that their "boomers" are starting to grow old and retire, the demands on their healthcare and support systems is enormous, making our issues look like childs play. The replacement generations are so small numerically compared to their parents that massive cultural and economic shifts are just bound to happen. Imagine what happened in areas like detroit on a chinese scale, as huge sections of the country wont have the population type needed to support themselves (too few workers, too many retirees).
 
You know the issue the US has with boomers? How there are tons of them retiring, and nowhere near enough young people being employed to pay for the boomers' retirement?

China is having that issue on a massive fucking scale. The one child policy lead to a significantly smaller population of kids. Now that their "boomers" are starting to grow old and retire, the demands on their healthcare and support systems is enormous, making our issues look like childs play. The replacement generations are so small numerically compared to their parents that massive cultural and economic shifts are just bound to happen. Imagine what happened in areas like detroit on a chinese scale, as huge sections of the country wont have the population type needed to support themselves (too few workers, too many retirees).

Uh... I don't think this is quite the problem you imagine it to be. In the United States we now have the whole "death with dignity" bit... just imagine that, but on a completely blown out of scale proportion. I mean, who the fuck do you think it was that came up with Fentanyl? They've got enough high grade synthetic opiates to kill more than half the planet at this point... they'll be fine! : D
 
Considering all the pollution in China, I wouldn't want to raise a child in that environment. Also increasing the population would only make the pollution worse due to more people consuming and their energy needs.
 
Who would you rather exterminate, pajeets or chinks

Humans excel at exterminating themselves, I wouldn't lift a fuckin finger of effort to ever end any of them, not when time and stupidity will do it for me. I would never waste effort crushing such sprawling rocks beneath me when I can simply step over the filth and ignore its ever failing attempt at achieving some semblance of sentience.
 
Humans excel at exterminating themselves, I wouldn't lift a fuckin finger of effort to ever end any of them, not when time and stupidity will do it for me. I would never waste effort crushing such sprawling rocks beneath me when I can simply step over the filth and ignore its ever failing attempt at achieving some semblance of sentience.
This would be nice if they didn't flood into our countries and you could actually remain naive.
 
The One Child Policy was a reaction to Mao telling people to breed like rabbits.


Perhaps population control on this scale is a bad idea.

Forced abortions aren’t working and they need to get girls from somewhere to help their ever increasing population of unmarried men.
 
It's like they're setting out to prove Hayek right w/r/t central planning. "Breed like rabbits! Oh shit, we have a population explosion. OK, one child only! Oh FUCK, we've got an inverted pyramid of a population that's going to age out of the workforce simultaneously. Uhh... have more kids but not too many? Or something? We're kinda spitballing it here."
 
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