UN China urges citizens to have more babies

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/health/china-one-child-intl/index.html

(CNN)China appears to be backpedaling on its decades-long policies to limit population growth as it attempts to address a demographic time bomb.

The one child policy ran until 2015 when it was partially relaxed to allow some couples to have two children, but families have been slow to embrace official approval to expand.
An op-ed in a state-run newspaper titled "Giving birth is a family matter and a national issue too" is the latest to encourage couples to have more children, and call for official action to enable young people to start families.
The full-page column was published in the overseas edition of the People's Daily, mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party. It warned that "the impact of low birth rates on the economy and society has begun to show."


The piece has attracted millions of comments online, and comes as the government revealed a new official postage stamp, which seems to hint that it may drop the remaining restrictions on the number of children people can have.
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The artwork for a new official Chinese postage stamp for the upcoming Year of the Pig.
The stamp, issued this week to mark the upcoming Year of the Pig, shows two parents with three piglets. A similar commemorative stamp released to mark the Year of the Monkey in 2016 showed two baby monkeys, which was seen as a nod to the dropping of the one child policy.
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The Year of the Monkey Stamp was released to mark the start of 2016.
One child not enough
Beijing reversed its hugely controversial one child policy -- in which women were subject to forced abortions, heavy fines, and eviction if they attempted to have a second baby -- as demographic issues caused by the lack of children became increasingly apparent.
China's pool of workers is shrinking, with many young people supporting their parents and two sets of grandparents, in a country where social services for the elderly are still lacking. In 2017, the country's total fertility rate was 1.6 children per woman, well below the 2.1 rate estimated to be necessary to keep the population steady.
Simply reversing the policy has not been effective, as China's urban middle class settle into a low birth rate more in common with western countries, one that has been compounded by economic pressures.
"Especially in cities, the cost of having children is getting higher and higher. From birth to school, economic costs and time costs are rising," said the People's Daily opinion piece. "Many young people living in cities are not willing to have children."

The author of the piece, Zhang Yiqi, said that government action -- like providing educational and medical care -- was needed to encourage more people to have children: "In the face of low fertility, the government should take more targeted measures to solve it and satisfy people's yearning for and pursuit of a better life."
The op-ed attracted a massive response online, with a hashtag related to it garnering millions of views on Weibo, China's tightly controlled equivalent to Twitter.
Comments critical of the government are often deleted on Weibo, and it is unclear how much censorship may have taken place around this issue. Most of the visible posts using the hashtag were supportive of Zhang's suggestions, and the need for government action to support couples to have more children.
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Last month, China's top court began considering introducing a three month "calm-down period" for divorcing couples, to give them a chance to reconsider their decisions. Provincial governments have also offered cash subsidies to couples who get married.
However, many fear that a push towards having more children will negatively affect women, who bore the brunt of the draconian one child policy.
Women already face significant difficulties in applying for jobs, despite labor laws and regulations prohibiting gender discrimination in employment. A survey by job search website 51job.com last year found that 75% of companies had become more reluctant to hire women in the wake of the relaxed, two child policy.
"The gender gap in labor force participation has also grown," advocacy group Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in a report earlier this year.

"While the women's labor force participation rate was 83% in 2007, it had dropped to 81% of the male rate by 2017. The pay gap in urban areas has also increased."
It pointed out that many advertisements ruled out women who had not already had children, an apparent attempt to avoid paying for maternity costs.
The consequences of relaxing the one child policy, HRW predicted, "could further worsen gender discrimination" in hiring.
"Employers may be even less willing to hire women without children based on the assumption that they now could take two maternity leaves during the course of their employment."
 
In addition they may want to consider a "stop drowning your daughters in your toilet bowls" policy.
 
In addition to economics, could it be Mouse Utopia Syndrome again, as we seem to see in other packed and super-conformist Asian nations? Like Japan?

When population density gets super-high, something seems to trigger in the brain of mammals that makes them short-circuit and stop wanting to reproduce. They lose interest in sex, and when young are born, they're neglected to death. This happens in tandem with unexpected violence, usually directed by males at other males in prime breeding condition.

You can give all the food and water and bedding you want, but if there are too many others around, there seems to be a natural fail safe that turns off the desire to breed, even if the population cap has been artificially expanded.

Japan has tried every financial and social carrot on a stick they can think of to increase the birth rate and fertility, and it just doesn't work.

You can't put 5 people in a phone booth 24/7, and then wonder why nobody wants to fuck, you are apparently fighting biology at that point, and are going to lose.
 
In addition to economics, could it be Mouse Utopia Syndrome again, as we seem to see in other packed and super-conformist Asian nations? Like Japan?

When population density gets super-high, something seems to trigger in the brain of mammals that makes them short-circuit and stop wanting to reproduce. They lose interest in sex, and when young are born, they're neglected to death. This happens in tandem with unexpected violence, usually directed by males at other males in prime breeding condition.

You can give all the food and water and bedding you want, but if there are too many others around, there seems to be a natural fail safe that turns off the desire to breed, even if the population cap has been artificially expanded.

Japan has tried every financial and social carrot on a stick they can think of to increase the birth rate and fertility, and it just doesn't work.

You can't put 5 people in a phone booth 24/7, and then wonder why nobody wants to fuck.

There's a really good video explaining Mouse Utopia Experiment, if anyone's interested:


While I don't think the experiment is a perfect representation of humanity, there are some eerie similarities between it and some of the ills of modern society.

Aside from that, the simple fact is that in most developed countries (or rapidly developing countries, like China) children have become a burden instead a resource. Well, that's not quite right. Children are an investment, and that investment is much, much steeper in developed countries than in developing countries. In poverty-stricken countries, parents pop out as many children as possible, both as insurance against infant/child mortality and because more children means more helping hands; as soon as they're old enough, they start pulling their weight.

Meanwhile, in developed countries, we continue to invest in our children until they reach 18 at least. Our children don't help farm the land or get jobs to support the family, they go to school and learn how to be functional adults. As a result, raising a child is expensive as fuck, let alone multiple children. Many people don't have more than 2 or 3 children, if that, simply because they can't afford more. That's not even getting into how workaholic culture (especially in the United States, Japan, and China) pretty much saps people of any desire to have any more children. I bet a lot of Chinese parents are thinking "I already bust my balls to support the kid I already have, I don't want another one."

I don't see this as a bad thing. We need to start limiting our population growth while we still can. The fallout will be messy and complicated, but it's better than having an overpopulated planet where there are not enough resources to go around.
 
I don't see this as a bad thing. We need to start limiting our population growth while we still can. The fallout will be messy and complicated, but it's better than having an overpopulated planet where there are not enough resources to go around.

I have heard the argument advanced that conflicts, messy conflicts anyway tend to happen when the people / technology / resource triangle tends to tip more towards the extreme when it trends towards the people / end of tech boom sides of the triangle, and that it's more of some weird psychologically imposed population control method.
 
There's a really good video explaining Mouse Utopia Experiment, if anyone's interested:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NgGLFozNM2o
While I don't think the experiment is a perfect representation of humanity, there are some eerie similarities between it and some of the ills of modern society.

Aside from that, the simple fact is that in most developed countries (or rapidly developing countries, like China) children have become a burden instead a resource. Well, that's not quite right. Children are an investment, and that investment is much, much steeper in developed countries than in developing countries. In poverty-stricken countries, parents pop out as many children as possible, both as insurance against infant/child mortality and because more children means more helping hands; as soon as they're old enough, they start pulling their weight.

Meanwhile, in developed countries, we continue to invest in our children until they reach 18 at least. Our children don't help farm the land or get jobs to support the family, they go to school and learn how to be functional adults. As a result, raising a child is expensive as fuck, let alone multiple children. Many people don't have more than 2 or 3 children, if that, simply because they can't afford more. That's not even getting into how workaholic culture (especially in the United States, Japan, and China) pretty much saps people of any desire to have any more children. I bet a lot of Chinese parents are thinking "I already bust my balls to support the kid I already have, I don't want another one."

I don't see this as a bad thing. We need to start limiting our population growth while we still can. The fallout will be messy and complicated, but it's better than having an overpopulated planet where there are not enough resources to go around.

I would think that increased automation of jobs would also make children less desirable. Those factory jobs in China will some day be far more automated than they are now. We don't need people being paid peanuts to put together iPhones when precision robot arms can do it perfectly in less time. What we'll need is people who can build and repair the robots. Well until they can do it themselves.

China's increased industrialization means less children are needed. It's just a natural turn of events. They should leave it alone because the world will run out of resources before we run out of space. Less people means less resources.
 
I don't see this as a bad thing. We need to start limiting our population growth while we still can. The fallout will be messy and complicated, but it's better than having an overpopulated planet where there are not enough resources to go around.
All social welfare is based around an ever increasing population. And it is not developed countries that have overpopulation.
 
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