Opinion Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics the Right Way - NYT Readers chimping out in the comments

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The foundation of a free society is the ability to participate in politics without fear of violence. To lose that is to risk losing everything. Charlie Kirk — and his family — just lost everything. As a country, we came a step closer to losing everything, too.

We’ve been edging closer for some time now. In 2020, a plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, was foiled by the F.B.I. In 2021, a mob stormed the Capitol in an effort to overturn the result of the election and pipe bombs were found at the Democratic and the Republican National Committee headquarters. In 2022, a man broke into the home of Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the House at the time, intending to kidnap her. She was absent, but the intruder assaulted her 82-year-old husband, Paul, with a hammer, fracturing his skull. In 2024, President Trump was nearly assassinated. That same year, Brian Thompson, the chief executive of UnitedHealthcare, was murdered.

In 2025, Molotov cocktails were thrown into the home of Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania during Passover. Melissa Hortman, the former House speaker of Minnesota, and her husband were murdered, and State Senator John Hoffman and his wife were severely injured by a gunman. And on Wednesday, Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, was gunned down during a speech at Utah Valley University.

You can dislike much of what Kirk believed and the following statement is still true: Kirk was practicing politics in exactly the right way. He was showing up to campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him. He was one of the era’s most effective practitioners of persuasion. When the left thought its hold on the hearts and minds of college students was nearly absolute, Kirk showed up again and again to break it. Slowly, then all at once, he did. College-age voters shifted sharply right in the 2024 election.

That was not all Kirk’s doing, but he was central in laying the groundwork for it. I did not know Kirk, and I am not the right person to eulogize him. But I envied what he built. A taste for disagreement is a virtue in a democracy. Liberalism could use more of his moxie and fearlessness. In the inaugural episode of his podcast, Gov. Gavin Newsom of California hosted Kirk, admitting that his son was a huge fan. What a testament to Kirk’s project.

On social media, I’ve seen mostly decent reactions to Kirk’s murder. There is grief and shock from both the left and the right. But I’ve seen two forms of reaction that are misguided, however comprehensible the rage or horror that provoked them. One is a move on the left to wrap Kirk’s death around his views — after all, he defended the Second Amendment, even admitting it meant accepting innocent deaths. Another is on the right, to turn his murder into a justification for an all-out war, a Reichstag fire for our time.

But as the list above reveals, there is no world in which political violence escalates but is contained to just your foes. Even if that were possible, it would still be a world of horrors, a society that had collapsed into the most irreversible form of unfreedom.

Political violence is a virus. It is contagious. We have been through periods in this country when it was endemic. In the 1960s there were the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., Robert F. Kennedy and Medgar Evers. In the 1970s, Gov. George Wallace was shot by a would-be assassin but survived, and Gerald Ford faced two assassination attempts in one month. In 1981 Ronald Reagan survived after John Hinckley Jr.’s bullet ricocheted off his rib and punctured his lung. These assassins and would-be assassins had different motives, different politics and different levels of mental stability. When political violence becomes imaginable, either as a tool of politics or a ladder for fame, it begins to infect hosts heedlessly.

American politics has sides. There is no use pretending it doesn’t. But both sides are meant to be on the same side of a larger project — we are all, or most of us, anyway, trying to maintain the viability of the American experiment. We can live with losing an election because we believe in the promise of the next election; we can live with losing an argument because we believe that there will be another argument. Political violence imperils that.

Kirk and I were on different sides of most political arguments. We were on the same side on the continued possibility of American politics. It is supposed to be an argument, not a war; it is supposed to be won with words, not ended with bullets. I wanted Kirk to be safe for his sake, but I also wanted him to be safe for mine and for the sake of our larger shared project. The same is true for Shapiro, for Hoffman, for Hortman, for Thompson, for Trump, for Pelosi, for Whitmer. We are all safe, or none of us are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination-fear-politics.html (Archive)
 
This is the audience of a mainstream liberal podcast, and the consensus I'm gathering from them is, at best, "I'm against political violence, but [Charlie Kirk deserved to die]", along with discontent with the podcast bros for being too soft on the person killed. It's horrifying that this sentiment is coming out of what is ostensibly mainstream liberal audiences, and the public figures they follow will probably be too embarrassed and cowardly to ever address it, just as the podcast bros avoided in this video.
Yeah, I've been seeing a lot of really horrifying shit about this around the Internet. The number of people who are downright giddy and gleeful at him getting a hole in his neck scares me more than him getting shot does.
 
Not as single objection they bring up about Charlie is without its clear, and more extreme counter example on the left. "Getting people fired" has been leftist operating procedure for decades. "Dunking on people for social media views." When has that never been what the left has done. When has the left never run roughshod over people they are arguing with them to make them look retarded?

The left hated Charlie because he did exactly what they did for years, but he did it better. He went to their hugboxes and exposed them to the world. That's why they hated him. Now the question is when the right gonna do the left's new tactic of political assassination and terror better than them...
 
The left hated Charlie because he did exactly what they did for years, but he did it better.
It's why the left is pulling their collective hair out over having their own Joe Rogan.

On one hand, they demonize the guy, but on the other, you know damn well they'd be doing the same thing if they had someone with the clout, charisma and reach.

What gives me weird feelings is how there's anyone left in the US who still thinks they're the party of peace, love and tolerance, as they raise their weapons and shoot everyone they don't like and scare everyone else into silence.

Thar's the self-proclaimed party of Democracy.

If you pray for Charlie, by God, pray for the rest of us also, if these are the last thrashes of a losing movement. It'll catch a few of us before they finally stop kicking.
 
Can’t see NYT comments because paywall, here’s reddit comments from r/ezraklein though
They call him a stochastic terrorist inciting violence, after their own side just committed ACTUAL VIOLENCE, and are still pretending to be the bigger man while their camp celebrates murdering a moderate defined by his openness to debate. Redditors are not sapient.
 
It would scare me more if I did not know these people were already completely unhinged.
There's a difference between being completely unhinged and being willing to publicly celebrate a man being assassinated in cold blood. What's that phrase the Left likes to use, "a mask-off moment"? Yeah, things are definitely changing, unfortunately.
 
Right-wingers don't want to retaliate because it would probably result in hundreds of deaths. Even a lone right winger wouldn't have trouble setting up an autonomous machine gun at the next Antifa chimp out. Imagine Lefty protesters trying to block a major highway and a tank mowing them down at top speed. We've got the firepower and the know-how. The reason we don't do it is because death and destruction on that level would radicalize a lot of normies against us. This is also exactly the kind of reaction the Left is hoping to provoke. They'd use the incident to ram though gun control and anti-white supremacy terrorism measures.

I'm all for letting Leftists chimp out in their own territory and destroy themselves. Something tells me they're not going to give us the chance to play the Long Game.
 
This is something I realized yesterday. While it appears that Democrats and liberal public figures are (mostly) being nice in addressing Charlie Kirk, you simultaneously see the audiences they've cultivated being ecstatic with bloodlust and shitting on the statements of said public figures as being too soft.

Another case in point, the Pod Save America podcast bros (Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett, and Tommy Vietor) are who I would call quintessential mainstream Democrat talking heads. They're friendly with Ezra Klein, but are a bit further Left on the account of how much sucking up they do to progressivism like good libs are expected to. Here's the emergency video they put out in regard to the assassination of Charlie Kirk:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AeHcv1xWSPYI rate it as okay and expected for a lib response. They appear shocked and sad for Charlie Kirk himself. But notice that the comments on this video are turned off when that's not the normally the case for their YouTube channel. It's not something they'll dare to talk about, but it's easy to discern why they did this when you look over at the comments on their subreddit in posts about the assassination specifically and this video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FriendsofthePod/comments/1ndrtsn/charlie_kirk_megathread/ https://www.reddit.com/r/FriendsofthePod/comments/1ndxrft/the_political_violence_has_to_stop/
This is the audience of a mainstream liberal podcast, and the consensus I'm gathering from them is, at best, "I'm against political violence, but [Charlie Kirk deserved to die]", along with discontent with the podcast bros for being too soft on the person killed. It's horrifying that this sentiment is coming out of what is ostensibly mainstream liberal audiences, and the public figures they follow will probably be too embarrassed and cowardly to ever address it, just as the podcast bros avoided in this video.
I saw that my post earlier got a lot of reception, so here's a little update:

Pod Save America posted several videos since, including a full podcast episode recorded before the shooter's capture:
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The Pod bros are still in denial of the pervasive murderous glee from the Leftist base, referring to it as a "tiny sliver of fringe people" while pointing to Democratic politicians and named public figures to purport the Left's broad condemnation of the murder. See this timestamped video:

And at the same time, their audience is still pissed off at them for being too soft on Kirk. You can see it in the comments that have been re-enabled on the videos as well as these new reddit posts:

As a bonus, that subreddit had a post complaining about this very Ezra Klein opinion article, but the mods removed the post because they considered it not relevant:

Oh, I just remembered that they have an official Discord server. Gee, I wonder what the talk is there...
 
We’ve been edging closer for some time now. In 2020, a plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, was foiled by the F.B.I. In 2021, a mob stormed the Capitol in an effort to overturn the result of the election and pipe bombs were found at the Democratic and the Republican National Committee headquarters. In 2022, a man broke into the home of Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the House at the time, intending to kidnap her. She was absent, but the intruder assaulted her 82-year-old husband, Paul, with a hammer, fracturing his skull. In 2024, President Trump was nearly assassinated. That same year, Brian Thompson, the chief executive of UnitedHealthcare, was murdered.
Not a word about that time in 2020 where a hordes of dysgenic freaks looted businesses, burned down buildings, and murdered 20+ people over a months-long period because a meth addict nigger started a fight with a cop and lost? This centrist charade would be a lot more plausible if they could at least mention that.
 
Not a word about that time in 2020 where a hordes of dysgenic freaks looted businesses, burned down buildings, and murdered 20+ people over a months-long period because a meth addict nigger started a fight with a cop and lost? This centrist charade would be a lot more plausible if they could at least mention that.
Yeah the rioting that happened under Trump's administration that he did literally nothing to stop? I'm sure this time will be different.
 
Yeah the rioting that happened under Trump's administration that he did literally nothing to stop? I'm sure this time will be different.

I honestly think it was encourage that the out rage over fyold was manufactured, and everyone was hoping trump would go facist with a military crack down, a military that had snakes in it.

What i mean is the bureaucracy/deep state was trying to bait trump into acting like the dictator they called him.

The after math of that shit was 4 years of defunding police and rising crime.

Now trumps in a better position like with his plan to send out national guard to bring law and order.
 
I honestly think it was encourage that the out rage over fyold was manufactured, and everyone was hoping trump would go facist with a military crack down, a military that had snakes in it.

What i mean is the bureaucracy/deep state was trying to bait trump into acting like the dictator they called him.

The after math of that shit was 4 years of defunding police and rising crime.

Now trumps in a better position like with his plan to send out national guard to bring law and order.
sorry sweetie, you fell for it again.
 
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