Catholocism

[Heimdallr]

What do you think of this unique religion? Good? Bad? do tell

 

[Army Burger]

Religion won't save you from your crippling porn addiction

 

[Florence]

What do you think of this unique religion? Good? Bad? do tell

Better than ADK.

 

[millais]

They should stop sheltering baby-raping paedos, but other than that, they're not so terribly evil.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Behind a lot of pointless ritual and gay robes and shit, they're responsible for both a lot of fucked up shit, and beautiful art.

All in all I'm neutral on them. It certainly feels like they want to be Pagan or polytheist, though, with all the fucking Saints they worship.

 

[Sperglord Dante]

I'd take Catholicism over any branch of Protestantism, any day of the week.

 

[Broseph Stalin]

They're alright, I guess. My ex was Catholic.


Sex after Sunday Mass is the fucking best, go get them kinky Catholic bitches, fam.

 

[John Titor]

What about it?

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

All in all I'm neutral on them. It certainly feels like they want to be Pagan or polytheist, though, with all the fucking Saints they worship.

What is it with people and this, lol? No Catholic worships saints. That's heresy. Saints are merely venerated ("extremely respected or admired") for their pious lives. I don't know where the confusion comes in. This is laid out in Canon Law, etc. Any Catholic who tells you they worship saints is not a Catholic. They're a heretic.

Whether that's one you met at your workplace or that's 99% of them in the world, it doesn't matter, it's simply not sanctioned by authorities.

What do you think of this unique religion? Good? Bad? do tell

But since you asked, ADK, my personal opinion is that you should convert to the true faith.

 

[Sperglord Dante]

What is it with people and this, lol? No Catholic worships saints. That's heresy. Saints are merely venerated ("extremely respected or admired") for their pious lives. I don't know where the confusion comes in. This is laid out in Canon Law, etc. Any Catholic who tells you they worship saints is not a Catholic. They're a heretic.

Potatoe, potato.

When the average Joe sees a catholic's little shrine for his/her patron saint and hears him/her praying to him, average Joe can't call it anything else than worshiping.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

Potatoe, potato.

When the average Joe sees a catholic's little shrine for his/her patron saint and hears him praying to him, average Joe can't call it anything else than worshiping.

Fair enough, I recognize that. But that's on them, not the Church.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

What is it with people and this, lol? No Catholic worships saints. That's heresy. Saints are merely venerated ("extremely respected or admired") for their pious lives. I don't know where the confusion comes in. This is laid out in Canon Law, etc. Any Catholic who tells you they worship saints is not a Catholic. They're a heretic.

Whether that's one you met at your workplace or that's 99% of them in the world, it doesn't matter, it's simply not sanctioned by authorities.

 

[Heimdallr]

The Catholic Church makes beautiful churches and some really nice American colleges.

It has its flaws but I basically like it OK

 

[0xDEADBEEF]

The Catholic Church makes beautiful churches and some really nice American colleges.

It has its flaws but I basically like it OK

This is a very deep and insightful analysis. I'm glad Jesus helped you overcome your porn addiction.

Please tell us more.

 

[Picnic_Boy]

Not a Catholic, but I really admire that Catholicism has a sense of shared history, and has produced some really insightful philosophers. There's some really fascinating stuff that comes on EWTN, and you don't have to be Catholic to appreciate it. On a nondenominational EWTN equivalent, it's just going to be a literal 24/7 church service. But on EWTN you might see a special about the role of Charlemagne's sons in church history.

I'm not a fan of the current Pope, and church bureaucracy in general is a pointless anachronism. I can't believe it took as long as it did for people to be leery of the Vatican Bank. But there's a lot to admire about the Catholic Church if you actually look.

 

[Florence]

@Heimdallr perhaps you should look into this.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

Hah! What did you expect? I forgot Deep Thoughts is the new Inner Circle. My bad.

@Heimdallr perhaps you should look into this.

Sorry, I think his autism's terminal.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Hah! What did you expect? I forgot Deep Thoughts is the new Inner Circle. My bad.

It's just funny how people are totally willing to judge stuff based on how it looks to them from the outside when it comes to troons, Black Lives Matter dindus and immigrants, but as soon as someone gives them an opinion on something they're "part of" they go "well no TRUE Scotsman worships his oatmeal, the Scotsmen in funny hats in Rome don't allow it!"

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you can maintain that it's not a duck all you want but it still looks like one to people on the outside.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

It's just funny how people are totally willing to judge stuff based on how it looks to them from the outside when it comes to troons, Black Lives Matter dindus and immigrants, but as soon as someone gives them an opinion on something they're "part of" they go "well no TRUE Scotsman worships his oatmeal, the Scotsmen in funny hats in Rome don't allow it!"

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you can maintain that it's not a duck all you want but it still looks like one to people on the outside.

I can see that. Of course, I would argue that those other groups do deserve the same treatment. I am no more likely to defend the substance of Catholic Teaching then the core of BLM Doctrine vs the actions of an individual believer. That said, there is no core BLM doctrine, it's followers are what it is, but Catholicism does have a central authority that gets to decide what Catholicism is. There's not a "No True Scotsman Fallacy" in play.

The Pope and the Curia decree, the Church obeys, and that has been the end of the story for well over a thousand years, with brief upsets in some intervening periods. Catholicism is whatever they decide it is, with input based on Sacred Tradition.

It's just not a matter of what it looks like to people on the outside. There's nothing anyone could do about that, anyway. A man could maintain, for instance, that the sky is blue because "it looks blue to him" (and it does to me!) but it's not technically, and the distinction does come into play during formal discussion.

The Catholic Church does not sanction the worship of the Saints, so it doesn't. Individual Catholics can do this, but they are disobeying the teachings of the Church. In the same way, a citizen might steal because they can, it does not mean they are not breaking the law. Of course, to the outside, if enough people steal, then outsiders may ask "is it even against the law in their country to steal?" but that changes nothing about the formality of the law.

The failure of the Church to prevent the worship of the Saints does say something about the Church, but not that Saint-worship is part of Catholicism theologically. Because it isn't.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Fair enough, BUT - do you think that maybe the divide between "we venerate our saints and have days dedicated to them, pray to them (?), etc" and "we actively worship saints as gods" isn't very big?

It seems like a technicality, a semantic difference, to keep GodJesus and the rest of the Holy Trinity or whatever it is Catholics pray to separate from the pantheon of Saints in order to maintain a semblance of monotheism while still having that extended pantheon with "patron saints of pants shitting" and "patron saints of oatmeal-cooking" that you can call upon if you need help in one of those specific areas.

It just reminds me a lot of Hinduism, Ancient Greece and to a degree other mythologies (Slavic and Nordic) where there would be small gods responsible for specific things.