Cars without an onboard PC

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While my car still has a few more years until my country fucks me over for daring to own a 20+ year old car, I wonder if there's any car model left that doesn't have some onboard PC that interfaces with the engine (or really anything besides media plating) to control the car on my behalf or log every gas and brake control that dares to be too strong.

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If you're not a total faggot who is utterly useless with a toolbox, there are still early aught/late 90's corollas that can be made roadworthy or hell still are roadworthy because grandma don't drive no more.
 
There's tons of them on the used market. Find something with a good history, low milage and you're golden. I recommend cars that are easy to repair due to cheap parts and availability like the toyota corolla line.
Like I said, the issue is that a car older than 20 years needs way more inspections and tests and it becomes a question of when it's just not worth it financially.
 
While my car still has a few more years until my country fucks me over for daring to own a 20+ year old car, I wonder if there's any car model left that doesn't have some onboard PC that interfaces with the engine (or really anything besides media plating) to control the car on my behalf or log every gas and brake control that dares to be too strong.
Define "onboard PC". If you mean no MCUs at all, you'd have to go back to driving something with a carb or mechanical fuel injection, both of which kind of suck. What I presume you mean is the insane retarded infotainment + always on phone home shit + aggravating touch screens and infotainment that everything ships with now. If you're in the US, I think we're kind of fucked, because good options like the Toyota IMV, which fits the bill, will never be available here, and things you could possibly get, like the Mahindra Roxor, are hard to make street legal, if it's possible at all in your locale.

Honestly, I feel (probably) the same way, but the best I have found to do is just keep rebuilding popular late 90s early 2000s vehicles, which is expensive and time consuming in its own right. I've got a handful of Toyota and GM vehicles of that vintage that are near or over 250k on the clock, and they're all in various states of me doing shit like rebuilding engines, transmissions, redoing interiors. God forbid you need paint, because that gets extremely expensive. Parts are also starting to get harder and harder to find for a lot of things, so I won't be surprised to be doing more fabrication for this vintage in the next 10+ years.

Maybe we'll get lucky one day and someone will build the anti-Tesla. I'd really like to own another new truck with crank windows, Porsche style door handle pulls, big engine, "old school" sequential port fuel injection, a manual transmission or at least a regular ass automatic that humans can service, a simple durable interior, etc.
 
Maybe we'll get lucky one day and someone will build the anti-Tesla. I'd really like to own another new truck with crank windows, Porsche style door handle pulls, big engine, "old school" sequential port fuel injection, a manual transmission or at least a regular ass automatic that humans can service, a simple durable interior, etc.
We have to go back. I just want an affordable, reliable, basic, V8 actual mid size truck.
Fuck out of here with this $35K+ base model shit.
 
We have to go back. I just want an affordable, reliable, basic, V8 actual mid size truck.
Fuck out of here with this $35K+ base model shit.
There was some electric car (I think it was the Citron Ami, but could be wrong) that was so dedicated to cost cutting it doesn't have interior door handles, just a strap you pull.

...and then they added infotainment, a glass roof, and other bullshit that jacked up the price.

There do exist cheap cars, but they're limited to China and India. They are likely made of Chinesium, but for whatever reason they aren't allowed here, and importing them and making them road legal jacks up the price beyond what they're worth. My guess is regulation, a push to end car ownership by 2030 2035.
 
Imagine if onboard computers were actually used to give your more control and fine tuning of your experience. Instead we have glorified icars designed to force you into a subscription service and track you for ads.
 
I thought this said 'with' and was hoping someone finally found a decent double dinn computer chassis
 
Onboard computers aren't the problem. Always-on connectivity is.

Just avoid any vehicle that interfaces with the cellphone network, either directly or via your phone. Most pre-2010 vehicles fit this category, and the onboard computers of '90s-'00s cars tend to be more of a help than a hindrance (think along the lines of OBDII-compliant engine control units etc).
 
I recommend Ford panther bodies. Ford Crown Vics, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Cars.
There are tons of them, strong V8 engine that will last forever, low cost parts, low cost maintenance.
Alot of them just sit in a boomer's garage, used twice a week to go grocery shopping and to church.
 
Every car since the 1980s has on "onboard PC"

That's what an ECU is.

Really the question is the extent and capability of the onboard computer and the electronics.

Does it have built in GPS receiver? Does it record waypoints (aka history)?

Will it shut itself down if it detects an attempt to bypass emission controls?

Will it tattle on you if you break the law?

Does it have a 4G interface to send data to the manufacturer or government over cellular networks?

If so, can the cellular modem be physically removed or disabled without making the vehicle inoperable?

Does it have interior cameras? Exterior cameras? Do they record? Do they upload?

Does it have a DUI sensor interlock to see if you're sober?
(...Every car made after 2026 will have anti-DUI sensors by law)
The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law tasked automakers with detecting and preventing impaired driving by 2026.
Your car may soon be tasked with determining whether you're sober enough to drive—but how? As we explained recently, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act signed into law on November 15, 2023 gave NHTSA a year to gin up a standard compelling new vehicles to either "passively monitor the performance of a driver" to detect if they are impaired, or "passively and accurately detect" whether the driver's blood alcohol level is above the legal limit, and then "prevent or limit motor vehicle operation." Said standard could go into effect as soon as 2026.
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Does the car have "black box" (event recording) capability?

Does it have a speed limiter?

Can your car be remotely disabled by the bank or law enforcement?
 
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A better question would be, is it possible to remove the onboard computer on an existing car without bricking it.

Trying to find cars without these computers is a meaningless effort at this point. If the things literally can't function without the computers, effort should be put into figuring out how to at best jailbreak the computers. Remove their ability to connect to WIFI and Cell Phone networks, and then install an open source operating system onto them so you can delete the factory installed programs.

I imagine if sufficient autism is applied to this problem, it can be done. In Autism, all things are possible.
 
Like I said, the issue is that a car older than 20 years needs way more inspections and tests and it becomes a question of when it's just not worth it financially.
That is going to vary greatly depending on what state your in. The state I have my stuff tagging in has zero inspections or emissions testing for cars over 20 years old. I don't even have cats on most of my stuff.

Other states you can't even get away with a rust hole in the rocker panel.
 
A better question would be, is it possible to remove the onboard computer on an existing car without bricking it.

Trying to find cars without these computers is a meaningless effort at this point. If the things literally can't function without the computers, effort should be put into figuring out how to at best jailbreak the computers. Remove their ability to connect to WIFI and Cell Phone networks, and then install an open source operating system onto them so you can delete the factory installed programs.

I imagine if sufficient autism is applied to this problem, it can be done. In Autism, all things are possible.
Doublepoosting but I don't care.
With some cars it is possible to at least take the car offline by removing the networking hardware.
Here is an example of it being done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW4Q7NNSBME
 
For ZERO computers? You'd have to go back to at least the early eighties for something like that. Basically anything made after that has at least SOME form of computer or ECU for ignition timing and electronic fuel injection and the like. A lot of later carbureted motors had computer management, too. A carburetor isn't a guarantee of a car being 100% analog.

Not always a bad thing, as a lot of those early computers are also pretty goddamn basic and don't have a ton of components that fail with time. There's definitely loads of vehicles that will last. Lots of vehicles up to ~2014 or so use the computer just for basic engine management. Older pickups are a good choice. Like someone else said, panther body Fords. Some truck-based SUVs. Older Japanese cars were pretty analog, assuming it's just a regular commuter vehicle. Probably other shit I'm too lazy to list right now.

My personal cutoff year is 2010. I've yet to own a car newer than that, and I don't intend to change that any time soon. Really it's just good to do your homework on what you're buying and figure out what kind of data your car is equipped to get out of you. The biggest thing for me is external influence. I don't want drive by wire or any of that shit. I don't want a vehicle that can be controlled remotely or receive over-the-air software updates. I don't mind electronic ignition or a computerized automatic transmission, things that are computer controlled but still too old to really be messed with by external forces. I can live with that. So yeah, if you're serious about buying a vehicle you're realistically going to use day to day, you gotta think about where to draw that line.
 
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