Can ADULTS consent to trooning out? - Children can't, but can even adults?

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I also include the right to suicide in my OP. I don't know what your ideal world would look like but I assume it's one where people that want to Troon out are institutionalized at the expense of the taxpayer.

No thanks.

Paying to have troons institutionalized and put away from society is a small price to pay, compared to the cost of letting them walk free and letting them ruin themselves and everyone else they come into contact with.

On the other hand, those who are that mentally damaged as adults voluntarily sterilizing themselves and staying out of the gene pool isn't so bad.

Maybe, but the problem is, they try to drag as many people (children especially) down with them as possible.

 

[Kenya Jones]

Also, find me a smoker who will tell you that smoking is good and they love not being able to breathe and also children should be allowed to smoke as early as possible.

Hey, you called?

 

[Astro Loafo]

The answer is you should be able to consent as an adult.

If not, on the aspect of body dysmorphia, you would also have to ban steroid bodybuilding, enhancements, and plastic surgery.

The idea of mental illness also doesn't hold because your values are not exactly the same with everyone else and the general idea on morality is vague and is not and has not ever been viable for law and order. IE the law can be based on morality but it's to keep order not moral. As such, doing so would create a strict society that rivals North Korea.

On the aspect that a mentally ill person can't consent. This would mean the second you seek out any form of mental health aid you have forfeited you rights.

Using troons as test subjects. This is also a bad idea because an environment that strips the basic human rights of a community the majority do not agree with will eventually turn on their own.

Now on the idea that troons drag children into trooning. Firstly, women not troons are the ones who are typically found dragging their kids for attention. Secondly, troons that do do that are typically pedophiles with crossdressing fetishes. And they typically are more into adbp than anything else. Lastly, the troons that are just troons that supposedly help children troon example diy forums/discord. These children are usually kids who already want to transition and actively seek out troons and troon accessories.

Also as a side note I'm not advocating trooncraft. Having these issues isn't something I would wish on someone but they are still people.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

This is sort of like the old issue of declaring someone mentally unfit for criminal prosecution, and the idea that if someone commits a crime it, by default, means they must be mentally ill.

It's easier to cut the chase and acknowledge every human being is simultaneously both completely responsible for and completely out of control of their own behavior. There is no valid logical way to assess the issue of free will. That applies to just about anything, in fact. Logic is a tool to help you solve isolated problems, not a way of providing you direction and purpose in life.

Isn't that logic how we got into this mess in the first place? We kept giving inch by inch under the pretense it was to just help poor downtrodden trannys, and now suddenly they're in the position of power and demanding to give experimental hormones to children. I like the idea of live and let live, but experience indicates it never works out.

No, what you're referring to is the selective application of live and let live. If you let people do what they want, you also have to be willing to let them face the consequences. People have not been willing to do that.
This isn't some generous altruistic concept. Agreement to suffer quietly and with humility is part of the social contract; live and let live also mean die and let die.

Plus I don't like the royal "we" to begin with in these situations. "We" haven't done a fucking thing, I'm not taking responsibility for this shit.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Right, so one crazy bitch vs. every fucking tranny ever. And I'll assume nobody with a functioning brain validated her bullshit.

One of those people who everyone around her is taking pains to "not get into it with her" yeah.

I think rather than "consent" on the patient end, the better question is "is it ethical for a doctor to fuck up a functioning body system for fun and thrills?" Because people can technically "consent" to all kinds of shit being done to them, but that doesn't make you a good or decent person for doing it. Imagine some guy "consents" to being killed and eaten- is the cook a decent human being? No. You don't have to go along with every fool or horrific thing a pervert thinks up, just because he "consented" to it. First do no harm got pushed out of the oath because of abortion- hmm maybe that was a big fucking mistake.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

If you think trannies should be allowed to proliferate throughout society at the absolutely insane rate that they are now, you're at least three times as retarded. Everyone is aware that trannies, cross-dressers, and people who consider themselves in-between have always been around. In fact, I don't remember anyone giving a single fuck about the odd tranny other than wondering if it's really a woman.

What is happening now should alarm the fuck out of you. Either we have an incredibly serious mental health disorder causing teens and young adults to lose grip of their personal identity, or we have been ignorant of how impressionable young developing minds tend to be.

To think that you can be diagnosed and treated for gender dysphoria so early in life is detestable on the highest level. Many, many mental health disorders require years if not decades of continued, repeated behavior before certain diagnoses are given.

Puberty blockers should be banned outright and if they're needed for specific treatments, you should have to do loads of paperwork to get it. HRT as a procedure should be banned outright. Gender dysphoria needs to return to its previous DSM classification and definition. If a 30 year old man seriously wants to shave off all of his body hair and wear a skirt, fine. We can't regulate what people wear.

However, it's my opinion that all of these procedures violate the first rule of the Hippocratic Oath. First, do no harm. We can say all day that one should be allowed to do what one wants, but how is it their own will when it begins involving others and social systems? It goes beyond asking for acceptance.

 

[Cheese Sandwich]

Legally, one cannot consent to grievous bodily harm.

Anyone who wants to mutilate himself needs psychological help.

 

[Scolopendra Dramatica]

Can't consent if you're mentally ill and you're mentally ill to ask for it in the first place.

End of.

 

[Spud]

Yes. Transgender-ism as it stands now is a well automated Eugenics program sponsored by the government and multinational billion dollar companies, if an adult wants to sterilize themselves by being a TIM I fail to see the problem. When they push that onto kids is when the rope starts to come out

 

[The Man With No Name]

Body modification is absolutely something people are free to do.

You can fuck yourself up with plastic surgeries, tattoos, and piercings. You can ingest any chemical cocktail you want to modify your body in any way you see fit, whether that's hard drugs or hormones or just an extra large soda.

You CANNOT change your identity based on these modifications. The guy who got all those body mods to be a snake is still a human male.

You CANNOT make the case that insurance or, God forbid if you live in a public healthcare country, taxpayers should cover your body modification. If you make the case its for a mental health reason, your mental illness should be treated. If you want to throw your own money at the project, go for it, who gives a shit?

 

[Catler]

Sure, adults can consent to almost anything, but just like with body integrity identity disorder the medical system should rightfully direct transsexuals to psychiatric help instead of partaking in the insanity.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I think another thing that everyone is missing is that due to the nature of gender dysphoria, it is inevitable that they will attempt to force other people to validate their delusions. They cannot function in the short term unless people play along with them, and they can't function in the long term, period.

Not only do they lack the cognative ability to consent to HRT or SRS, not only do they pose a threat to themselves, they also pose a threat to other people, merely by being troons. It's inevitable that they will bully others who don't play pretend with them, it's inevitable that they will drag society down with them, unless we put our collective foot down and refuse to validate them at all. That goes for medical professionals as well.

 

[Question Mark]

Trannies trooning out and sterilizing themselves is good for the gene pool. If people have a genetic predicposition to becoming a tranny, they shouldn't reproduce.

 

[Hitman One]

As long as it doesn't harm anyone else and I don't have to listen, accept, pay for or care about it, then I don't give a shit if adults want to cut their bits off

 

[trailcamwhore]

If they admit it's a monstrous perversion and they're participating in it fully knowingly (as monstrous perverts), sure.

That's maybe three dudes. They're cool.

 

[Retired Junta Member]

Eh it’s not really black or white for me. Ideally I’d say yes, if they aren’t technically insane and can be tried in court, they can also consent.
It’s a bad idea? Yes. But people ruin their lives in many many different ways and we can’t stop them.

 

[thyme]

I'm surprised how many people have said no. I've known plenty of poorly adjusted adults in my life who clearly make self destructive decisions through mental issues, I've always imagined it's relatively common. Thing is, you can still call an alcoholic an alcoholic or a junkie a junkie or a bum a bum without getting a hate crime charge.

I think if you start removing peoples' ability to 'consent' to self destructive behaviours on the basis of their mental state beyond being a hazard to others, then you're also arguing away personal responsibility to a certain extent. It's clear not all trannies are literal tards, even if most of them happen to be. There are 100% trannies out there who have nobody to blame but themselves.

 

[Toolbox]

Another question is, why do we have to consent to foot the bill of their insanity.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I think it's irrelevant, doctors should stick to "do no harm".