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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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I've always found it weird that for an island nation, we have no dedicated Coast Guard service like the USA do, and instead the RNLI are part government funded and part charity begging for donations on youtube ads. Either the Navy should have a Coast Guard/life saving branch, or we turn the RNLI into a serious maritime security and search and rescue service.

Hope not Hate have apparently took down an article criticising Ann Widdecombe, suspecting that her murderer may have read it.
Migrants in Crowborough might be raping the horses. (X)
 
You seem like a sweet and innocent person, but you shouldn't have the right to vote because you're probably voting for people to let more in. Inshallah.
Lolnah, I want none of the buggers here. Happy to vote Oor Roop if there’s a restore renew rebuilt revamp remigrate the buggers MP around here (there currently isn’t).

There is no way I would help to fund their rescue.
Sadly, I don’t think we have a choice. The good blokes & lasses who do so deserve a pint or two afterwards, mind you.

You’ll never guess the ethnicity of the bar staff…
 
Hope not Hate have apparently took down an article criticising Ann Widdecombe, suspecting that her murderer may have read it.
Helpful reminder for everyone about how AI will lie to you.

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Web archive has it. Very telling that as Burnham is welcoming people from them into his inner circle they're scrubbing an article about someone who's been murdered


Despite remaking her image in recent years through her appearances on reality TV shows, Widdecombe has a long history of homophobic and sexist remarks that jar with Farage’s claims that his party is “intolerant of intolerance”. Indeed, embracing the dangerous and divisive politics of her new vehicle, in the first Brexit Party speech in the European Parliament Widdecombe made a risible comparison of Britain’s departure from the EU to the emancipation of slaves.

Below we run down Widdecombe’s track record.

Homophobic remarks



  • In June 2019, she told SkyNews that science might “produce an answer” to being gay. Farage refused to condemn these comments.
  • In her 23 years as an MP, she consistently voted against expanding LGBT+ rights.
  • She claimed in 1999 that “I do not think that [homosexuality] can be promoted as an equally valid lifestyle to marriage, but I would say the same about irregular heterosexual arrangements”.
  • In 2018, on Celebrity Big Brother, she claimed that the prospect of a romance between Shane Janek (AKA Courtney Act) and Andrew Brady “disgusting”. Whilst hugging Brady, Janek said “You might not respect our marriage Ann, but you have to recognise our love!”, to which she replied “Don’t be disgusting”.
  • In a 2013 interview, in reference to gay marriage, Widdecombe said: “I do not care tuppence what consenting adults do. It’s not my business […] What I do say is that the state must have a preferred model, and the model that has served us throughout the millennia is marriage – a man and a woman in a union that is generally open to procreation. Marriage isn’t about two people; it is the basis for the family. That’s why it’s unique, and therefore I think society can say we’re keeping marriage for a man and a woman”.
  • She made remarks about gay conversion therapy in a 2012 article for The Express titled “Helping those who aren’t glad to be gay”, claiming: “Almost anybody can get help for anything from psychotherapists in this country except apparently gays who do not want to be gay”. She went on to write that “the unhappy homosexual should, according to gay activists, be denied any chance whatever to investigate any possibility of seeing if he can be helped to become heterosexual”.
  • In her book Strictly Ann: The Autobiography, Widdecombe writes:
The wild decade which was the sixties had fizzled out and taken with it much of its optimism, while its legacy of permissiveness had yet to turn into moral anarchy in what remained largely a socially conservative country. Divorce was easier but still not lightly sought, abortion available but widely frowned upon, homosexual acts legal but in the closet, pre-marital sex widespread but without the wholesale promsicuity which was to come. The family unit was still regarded as the bedrock of society but children were less shielded from adult strife, class divisions were loosening but still observable […] the F word, ten years after the Lady Chatterley trial, was not yet encountered on a daily basis. Nor any longer was the N word, now largely abandoned despite growing alarm at growing racial diversity.

  • She also writes in her book:
I have never understood why supposedly intelligent interviewers express surprise that I have gay male friends. As I point out, if I chose my friends on the basis that I must first agree with all their views and choices then I would have to exclude not only homosexuals but all those who are divorced, living in sin, having children out of wedlock, having abortions (that one is quite difficult), known to have taken drugs, hilding strong left-wing views and certainly unbelievers […] Yes, I do oppose gay marriage but so do plenty of gays because it will give not one extra right to homosexuals which they do not have with civil partnerships but will take away from heterosexuals the right in law to be called husband and wife.

  • In an interview in The Telegraph, she was asked if she would attend the wedding of her friend Craig Revel Horwood if he ever married his boyfriend. She reportedly scowled and replied: “I always follow my conscience. Most of my friends would not put me in that position”.
  • In 2014, after a bakery in Belfast refused to bake a cake bearing the words “Support Gay Marriage”, and was subsequently taken to court, she wrote in The Express: “In a free country the baker should be able to refuse to take part in what is effectively PR for gay marriage in the knowledge that any customers who do not like that decision are free to buy their morning loaf elsewhere. But then it is a long time since Britain and freedom were synonymous.”

Sexism



  • In 2012 Widdecombe wrote in the Radio Times that binge drinkers should be publicly named and shamed, by being arrested and having their pictures published in newspapers. She particularly targets women, bemoaning that they “stagger along pavements in 6in heels, scantily clad, falling off the kerbs, to hail taxis in which they are sick”. She goes on to write:
“That leaves the law, which alone can bring back the concept of shame […] If the police carried out the occasional big blitz in the city centres on a Friday night, drafting in extra manpower and pursuing every single person who was drunk in A&E or incapable on the streets, then people going out specifically to get drunk would risk finding themselves in court on the Monday with their names and photographs in the papers. That might be a deterrent to the wilder stages of excess.”

  • In a 2018 interview on This Morning, she claimed that the #MeToo movement has “given rise to a lot of very trivial whinging” and called the gender pay gap “very largely a myth”. She also claimed that the playing field is tilted “heavily towards” women.
  • She also claimed on Russia Today in 2017, during the scandal around Michael Fallon MP’s inappropriate behaviour towards a journalist, that “I can’t believe that women are being so wimpish these days, wallowing in self-pity, expecting the men always to protect us”.
  • She claimed on Celebrity Big Brother in 2018 that the victims of Harvey Weinstein, who has faced numerous allegations of sexual harassment and assualt, “had a choice”. She said “That’s on them. That was down to them. They had a choice”.
  • She backed the shackling of pregnant female prisoners receiving care, whilst prisons minister in 1996. She said: “Some MPs may like to think that a pregnant woman would not or could not escape. Unfortunately this is not true… The fact is that hospitals are not secure places in which to keep prisoners, and since 1990, 20 women have escaped from hospital”.
  • She told the New Statesman in 2012 that she left the Church of England in 1993, in part due to her objection of women in the priesthood. She claimed::
I left the Church of England because there was a huge bundle of straw. The ordination of women was the last straw, but it was only one of many. For years I had been disillusioned by the Church of England’s compromising on everything. The Catholic Church doesn’t care if something is unpopular. As far as the Catholic Church is concerned if it’s true it’s true, and if it’s false it’s false. The issue over women priests was not only that I think it’s theologically impossible to ordain women, it was the nature of the debate that was the damaging thing, because instead of the debate being “is this theologically possible?” the debate was “If we don’t do this we don’t be acceptable to the outside world”. To me, that was an abdication of the Church’s role, which is to lead, not to follow.

  • Widdecombe is a longstanding oponent of abortion, tellling the BBC in 1999 that “Abortion is not just a religious belief. Some of my best work against abortion was done when I was an agnostic. It is not [a] moral issue – if I come up and kill you, you do not say it’s a moral, individual issue. We are talking about taking life in the womb”.
  • She told The Telegraph in 2014 that she “happen to think it’s a woman’s job” to bring up children.


Also…



  • HOPE not hate revealed that Widdecombe has appeared on three separate occassions on the Richie Allen Show, a radio broadcast affiliated with conspiracy theorist David Icke that serves as an online platform for antisemitic conspiracy theorists and Holocaust deniers. Allen has also himself questioned the numbers of Jews that died in the Holocaust. Other guests on the episodes featuring Widdecombe include Kevin Barrett, an antisemite and 9/11 and 7/7 conspiracy theorist.
  • The Jewish Chronicle has reported that on 9 August she also appeared on Bristol Community FM’s Politics Show, hosted by Tony Gosling. UK Lawyers for Israel (UKLFI) have alleged that his show is “filled with conspiracy theories, extremism, racism and propaganda”. UKLFI claimed that Gosling had suggested that MI5 and the Rothschild family had carried out the Manchester Arena bombing. The show was cleared by Ofcom in March 2019.
  • Widdecombe has long supported hanging. In The Guardian she argues that there is “a compelling moral case for the availability of a death penalty”, and that it “saves innocent lives”.
  • According to DeSmog, Widdecombe was one of just five MPs to oppose the 2008 Climate Change Act. In 2009 she told the Express “There is no climate change, hasn’t anybody looked out of their window recently?”
  • In June 2019, she told SkyNews that science might “produce an answer” to being gay. Farage refused to condemn these comments.
  • In her 23 years as an MP, she consistently voted against expanding LGBT+ rights.
  • She claimed in 1999 that “I do not think that [homosexuality] can be promoted as an equally valid lifestyle to marriage, but I would say the same about irregular heterosexual arrangements”.
  • In 2018, on Celebrity Big Brother, she claimed that the prospect of a romance between Shane Janek (AKA Courtney Act) and Andrew Brady “disgusting”. Whilst hugging Brady, Janek said “You might not respect our marriage Ann, but you have to recognise our love!”, to which she replied “Don’t be disgusting”.
  • In a 2013 interview, in reference to gay marriage, Widdecombe said: “I do not care tuppence what consenting adults do. It’s not my business […] What I do say is that the state must have a preferred model, and the model that has served us throughout the millennia is marriage – a man and a woman in a union that is generally open to procreation. Marriage isn’t about two people; it is the basis for the family. That’s why it’s unique, and therefore I think society can say we’re keeping marriage for a man and a woman”.
  • She made remarks about gay conversion therapy in a 2012 article for The Express titled “Helping those who aren’t glad to be gay”, claiming: “Almost anybody can get help for anything from psychotherapists in this country except apparently gays who do not want to be gay”. She went on to write that “the unhappy homosexual should, according to gay activists, be denied any chance whatever to investigate any possibility of seeing if he can be helped to become heterosexual”.
  • In her book Strictly Ann: The Autobiography, Widdecombe writes:
The wild decade which was the sixties had fizzled out and taken with it much of its optimism, while its legacy of permissiveness had yet to turn into moral anarchy in what remained largely a socially conservative country. Divorce was easier but still not lightly sought, abortion available but widely frowned upon, homosexual acts legal but in the closet, pre-marital sex widespread but without the wholesale promsicuity which was to come. The family unit was still regarded as the bedrock of society but children were less shielded from adult strife, class divisions were loosening but still observable […] the F word, ten years after the Lady Chatterley trial, was not yet encountered on a daily basis. Nor any longer was the N word, now largely abandoned despite growing alarm at growing racial diversity.

  • She also writes in her book:

I have never understood why supposedly intelligent interviewers express surprise that I have gay male friends. As I point out, if I chose my friends on the basis that I must first agree with all their views and choices then I would have to exclude not only homosexuals but all those who are divorced, living in sin, having children out of wedlock, having abortions (that one is quite difficult), known to have taken drugs, hilding strong left-wing views and certainly unbelievers […] Yes, I do oppose gay marriage but so do plenty of gays because it will give not one extra right to homosexuals which they do not have with civil partnerships but will take away from heterosexuals the right in law to be called husband and wife.

  • In an interview in The Telegraph, she was asked if she would attend the wedding of her friend Craig Revel Horwood if he ever married his boyfriend. She reportedly scowled and replied: “I always follow my conscience. Most of my friends would not put me in that position”.
  • In 2014, after a bakery in Belfast refused to bake a cake bearing the words “Support Gay Marriage”, and was subsequently taken to court, she wrote in The Express: “In a free country the baker should be able to refuse to take part in what is effectively PR for gay marriage in the knowledge that any customers who do not like that decision are free to buy their morning loaf elsewhere. But then it is a long time since Britain and freedom were synonymous.”
 

Mother of Henry Nowak killer jailed for removing knife from murder scene​

The mother Henry Nowak's killer has been jailed for three years for removing the murder weapon from the scene of the crime.

Vickrum Digwa used a 21cm (8in) blade to kill the 18-year-old student, who was walking home from a night out in Southampton on 3 December. He was jailed for life in June with a minimum of 21 years.

Kiran Kaur, 53, of St Denys Road, Southampton, was found guilty at Southampton Crown Court in May of assisting an offender.

Judge William Mousley KC told Kaur at her sentencing "a responsible parent would have challenged their son" and have asked their child to "do the right thing".

"You took the knife and put it at home with other weapons in your son's bedroom," he told her.

By putting it among "a larger collection of ceremonial and other weapons" it would have "helped to conceal what it had been used for" because she wanted him "to avoid being caught", the judge said
Digwa gave the knife to his mother and it was later found by police at their family home along with more than 20 other weapons.

Prosecutor Nicholas Lobbenberg described her actions as "criminality of the highest order" and her role as "crucial" when it came to removing the knife.

He told the court it was not found by police until seven days after the attack took place.

But defence barrister Mark Watson called it a "spontaneous act carried out in a matter of moments" and an "instinctive desire to protect her child".

Kelly Newman, of the Crown Prosecution Service, said after the sentencing: "Those who seek to help murderers evade justice should be in no doubt that they too will be held accountable for their actions."
Nowak was handcuffed by police as he lay dying at the scene after Digwa lied, claiming he had been racially abused by the teen and had acted in self-defence.

He told officers his turban had been knocked off and that he had been injured.

Bodycam footage released by Hampshire and Isle of Wight Constabulary, with the family's permission, showed officers arriving at the scene and speaking to Digwa and others.

Nowak, who is seen on the ground in the video, can be heard saying "I've been stabbed" and "I can't breathe" multiple times.

The footage shows officers turning Nowak onto his side and handcuffing his hands behind his back, and after a couple of minutes he becomes unresponsive.

An officer proceeds to tell him he is under arrest for assault.

Two police officers are being investigated for potential gross misconduct.
In a statement read outside court in June, Henry's father Mark Nowak compared his son's "inhumane and degrading" treatment by police, to the "decency" officers showed his murderer.

Hampshire police has apologised to the Nowak family for the way Henry was treated by its officers.

Protests​

Nowak, from Chafford Hundred in Essex, was a first-year student at the University of Southampton. He had been walking back to his accommodation after drinking to a level that was below the drink-drive limit, the trial heard.

The prosecution said he was stabbed five times, including twice in the back of his legs, once in the face and a fatal wound to the chest.

Digwa said he carried the blade as part of his Sikh faith, though the Sikh Federation said the blade he used was not a religious knife, known as a kirpan.

A transcript obtained by the BBC recorded in the back of a police van has Digwa admitting to his brother, Gurpreet, that he had stabbed the teenager multiple times.

Digwa, his brother and his father have pleaded not guilty to multiple weapons offence charges.

Protests erupted in Southampton after the police bodycam footage was released.

More than 20 people have so far been sentenced over the disorder, during which 12 police officers and a police dog were injured.

The attorney general's office has since referred Digwa's sentence to the Court of Appeal under the unduly lenient sentence scheme. Digwa himself is seeking to appeal against his conviction and sentence.

A full inquest into Henry Nowak's death is due to be held in Winchester next

 
Just to add to how AI lies to us.
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I can't provide another source to say that it's okay, just take my word for it.
Do you understand how AI "works" ?
It's not sentient ( as much as the tech bros want us to believe it is ). So in that respect it can't really lie.
What it does in the way you've used it above is act more like an aggregator. It searches for answers to the prompt and then filters them for the most commonly occurring answer. The most commonly occuring or publicised answer could be the wrong one, but in this respect it's not really a lie in the fact that a lie is normally defined as being deliberately missleading.
Increasingly this line is getting blurred, where people are asking questions and the programming replies in a human like manner, it is I suppose human to assume it has feelings - it does not.
Apparently advanced AI is now getting good at gaming systems. The logic built into it will deliberately provide false information if it helps it to achieve an objective. It is this lack of, for want of a better word "ethics" which is very worrying for the future. At the moment it is being coded as I understand it, to be fairly transparent to people working in the field, so they can put in place guard rails to prevent it from doing things that are perceived as bad.
The problem is that we are now at the stage where it isn't the coders writing the code any more - the next generation of AI will be written by AI and so on. As the generations of AI are written more by the previous versions, the more detatched from humanity ( but posibly the better at faking human emotions it will become ) and so there will be a quesion of will it be ethical ? Will it be prepared to do things we don't want to achieve a goal ? The intelligence will become God like and we, like ants, will have no concept of the objectives or the capabilities of this AI.

A former detective has become the first Reform UK candidate to be elected as a police and crime commissioner.

Colin Sutton, who led several high profile murder investigations during his 30-year-career, was confirmed as the new Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) for Norfolk on Friday after 32,647 people voted for him.

I don't know how much you follow true crime, but Colin Sutton is really quite famous. TV has made several dramas out of his cases, he's had his own shows, he's not shy of the limelight. That said, it does seem like he was a pretty good copper in his day and probably has some strong opinions on how to make the police actually serve the community. I'd imagine he's been voted in for who he is, rather than necessarily for the party he's representing. Looking at the voting figures, it does look like there was him and then 6 others that pretty much shared the rest of the vote. So I don't think too much can be read into this from a political viewpoint.
 
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Getting anyone to even pretend to give a toss about peeceecee's would be quite an accomplishment.
PS: archive your shit n'wah, (((they))) will delete it/edit it, I like archive.is
Axeshelly, I didn't see a point in archiving it because It was an article that was going to get updated, ni77a.
Do you understand how AI "works" ?
It's not sentient ( as much as the tech bros want us to believe it is ). So in that respect it can't really lie.
What it does in the way you've used it above is act more like an aggregator. It searches for answers to the prompt and then filters them for the most commonly occurring answer. The most commonly occuring or publicised answer could be the wrong one, but in this respect it's not really a lie in the fact that a lie is normally defined as being deliberately missleading.
Increasingly this line is getting blurred, where people are asked questions and the programming replies in a human like manner, it is I suppose human to assume it has feelings - it does not.
Apparently advanced AI is now getting good at gaming systems. The logic built into it will deliberately provide false information if it helps it to achieve an objective. It is this lack of, for want of a better word "ethics" which is very worrying for the future. At the moment it is being coded as I understand it, to be fairly transparent to people working in the field, so they can put in place guard rails to prevent it from doing things that are perceived as bad.
The problem is that we are now at the stage where it isn't the coders writing the code any more - the next generation of AI will be written by AI and so on. As the generations of AI are written more by the previous versions, the more detatched from humanity ( but posibly the better at faking human emotions it will become ) and so there will be a quesion of will it be ethical ? Will it be prepared to do things we don't want to achieve a goal ? The intelligence will become God like and we, like ants, will have no concept of the objectives or the capabilities of this AI.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but my post was, I appreciate your information.

Do you guys still get the local ice cream vans coming around? I do and It's nice to see that an old white man still runs it.
 
Do you guys still get the local ice cream vans coming around? I do and It's nice to see that an old white man still runs it.
Yes, and it’s been in the same family for generations.

Unlike where I grew up, where the ice cream vans and local newspaper shops sell tax-free fags and drugs if you knew the right people.
 
Brother next pls. He might be even worse than the mother. Imagine being recorded telling your murderer brother to fake a hate crime after you stabbed a kid to death.
Pretty certain they already dropped the case against him since they cannot prove he was not just repeating what his brother told him.
 
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but my post was, I appreciate your information.
I knew you were being sarcastic ( why I laughed ) but I took the opportunity to reply with my undertanding of how it works - purely to give what is hopefully an understandable explanation to fellow simpletons such as myself and in the hope that somebody who really does understand it might correct / embellish it.
I only invest in it and read page after page of analysts' reviews of the companies building it - you can't possibly expect me to fully understand it too !
 
Yes, and it’s been in the same family for generations.

Unlike where I grew up, where the ice cream vans and local newspaper shops sell tax-free fags and drugs if you knew the right people.
Thinking about it, have you ever read anything about the ice cream van turf wars in Glasgow? It's interesting. For a time, Strathclyde CID were nicknamed the Serious Chimes Squad because of it. The BBC did a show about it which was surprisingly alright.
 
I'm an enlightened England fan, England winning or losing at football doesn't affect my chances of beating my wife. I instead decide based on dice rolls.
Real men decide it on a stella flip not some faggy dice dnd nerd shit. I throw the empty can of stella at her, if it lands upright then she doesn't get beaten.
can they at least try to think of their own safety?
No they are quite literally incapable. The critical thought and risk aversion parts of your brain are the bits that indians missed out on when they didn't have the chance to breed with other species of human. They are genetically and mentally incapable of it.

I have had the same experience though. I have seen countless jeets that are one rock not being as stable as it looks or a single strong gust and they're dead. If they were actual people I'd stop and tell them but they're not so I won't even bother trying to stop the dog barking if she wants to.
 
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