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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Elysian]

So this "County Lines are Phone Lines" thing she said. I don't get it. They're not, right? To me "country lines" means the jurisdictional boundaries between different police forces and they're exploited by criminals because committing your crimes in a different jurisdiction makes it more of a headache for them to deal with you. That's what I always understood. I've never heard any one claim it means phone numbers.

I think some of the news articles about the county lines gangs might have used it as a play on words because the gang members were using phones to do business? It sort of works on multiple levels because you have lines = geographical borders, lines = phone lines and lines = lines of drugs for snorting. That might be where she’s getting it from.

 

[Otterly]

At least then they were fighting miners, not minors.

Well darn I missed that one. But ‘minors strike’ would be a great headline.

 

[teriyakiburns]

So this "County Lines are Phone Lines" thing she said. I don't get it. They're not, right? To me "country lines" means the jurisdictional boundaries between different police forces and they're exploited by criminals because committing your crimes in a different jurisdiction makes it more of a headache for them to deal with you. That's what I always understood. I've never heard any one claim it means phone numbers.

It's a relatively obscure way of referring to shared numbers used by gangs for delivering instructions and coordinating activity. Came into public use a few years ago, around some cases if migrant children being used as drug mules across county lines (whence the name), and now people are trying the 1984 gambit of making that meaning the only meaning.

 

[Sprocket]

We should all be focusing on driving Burnham out of office next, make the door spin with PM's so much that nobody is holding office long enough to achieve any of their sinister goals. Fuck all of these people.

It's fair to assume the next PM is set up for a speed run of Starmer's outcome.

Spoiler: Sperg

Look, these idiots are finished. They have two years left in the driver's seat, then they're done. Farage is going to be Prime Minister. If enough bongs are pissed enough, maybe Lowe.

The only way Labour can save themselves in the next general elections is to write a speech for Starmer's replacement that starts with "We have realized that our actions have eroded free speech, we recognize that there are cultures incompatible with our own and we recognize that our policing has not been evenly".

They're going to have to hold themselves accountable to the native population, put immigration into reverse gear and compensate everyone that got arrested/jailed for pointing out the problem. You know, address the concerns of their native citizens. They still have time to change course, that's two years to actually produce results and stabilize support.

But we all know they're not going to do that. Expect them to double down on all the policies and actions that made everyone hate them. In 2029 they will be gone. Let's just hope they don't take the ship down with them.

 

[Slimy Time]

It's fair to assume the next PM is set up for a speed run of Starmer's outcome.

Spoiler: Sperg

Look, these idiots are finished. They have two years left in the driver's seat, then they're done. Farage is going to be Prime Minister. If enough bongs are pissed enough, maybe Lowe.

The only way Labour can save themselves in the next general elections is to write a speech for Starmer's replacement that starts with "We have realized that our actions have eroded free speech, we recognize that there are cultures incompatible with our own and we recognize that our policing has not been evenly".

They're going to have to hold themselves accountable to the native population, put immigration into reverse gear and compensate everyone that got arrested/jailed for pointing out the problem. You know, address the concerns of their native citizens. They still have time to change course, that's two years to actually produce results and stabilize support.

But we all know they're not going to do that. Expect them to double down on all the policies and actions that made everyone hate them. In 2029 they will be gone. Let's just hope they don't cause take the ship down with them.

There is so much obvious spin and "hype" the MSM is trying to generate around Burnham to the point the BBC and Sky had a helicopter follow his train and cab down into London, which very quickly got pointed out is a tremendous waste and anti-green. Got an image of him with all the Labour MPs smiling. They really seem to think this fucker is going to save them in some way shape or form. All smiles as they forced Kier out for this man's coronation.

One look at this shower and we know how fucked the country is under this group.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

The tyranny of the metrosexual middle manager is like a modern day Eunuch conspiracy.

 

[KeeKeeCooch]

There is so much obvious spin and "hype" the MSM is trying to generate around Burnham to the point the BBC and Sky had a helicopter follow his train and cab down into London, which very quickly got pointed out is a tremendous waste and anti-green. Got an image of him with all the Labour MPs smiling. They really seem to think this fucker is going to save them in some way shape or form. All smiles as they forced Kier out for this man's coronation.
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One look at this shower and we know how fucked the country is under this group.

Every Labour MP looks like a retarded HR manager.

 

[Slimy Time]

Every Labour MP looks like a retarded HR manager.

Why yes I did forget to record 80,000 crimes in my area.

 

[Tito Melema]

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but can anyone explain to a non-Brit why it is necessary to bring Burnham into Parliament and make him PM? Has Labour already run through all the plausible candidates for PM who were already in Parliament?

 

[A-Logato]

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but can anyone explain to a non-Brit why it is necessary to bring Burnham into Parliament and make him PM? Has Labour already run through all the plausible candidates for PM who were already in Parliament?

Burnham has by far the least baggage of anyone in Labour at the moment is less known about outside of people from the North of England. He's a full on lefty whilst Starmer was more centre left if you want to get an idea what the UK is in for.

 

[AssignedEva]

So this "County Lines are Phone Lines" thing she said. I don't get it. They're not, right? To me "country lines" means the jurisdictional boundaries between different police forces and they're exploited by criminals because committing your crimes in a different jurisdiction makes it more of a headache for them to deal with you. That's what I always understood. I've never heard any one claim it means phone numbers.

Yes. "County Lines" refers to gang activity deliberately occurring across multiple jurisdictions in the colloquial usage. The Met defines it as this:

County lines is the name given to drug dealing where organised criminal groups (OCGs) use phone lines to move and supply drugs, usually from cities into smaller towns and rural areas. They exploit vulnerable people, including children and those with mental health or addiction issues, by recruiting them to distribute the drugs. This is often referred to as ‘drug running’. Criminals may also use a vulnerable person’s home as their base of operations. This is known as ‘cuckooing’.

The NCA defines it similarly:

County Lines is where illegal drugs are transported from one area to another, often across police and local authority boundaries (although not exclusively), usually by children or vulnerable people who are coerced into it by gangs. The ‘County Line’ is the mobile phone line used to take the orders of drugs. Importing areas (areas where the drugs are taken to) are reporting increased levels of violence and weapons-related crimes as a result of this trend.

But the NSPCC refers to it like this:

What is county lines?​

County lines is a type of criminal exploitation. Urban gangs persuade, coerce or force children and young people to store drugs and money and/or transport them to suburban areas, market towns and coastal towns. It can happen in any part of the UK. County lines is against the law and a form of child abuse.
Children and young people may be criminally exploited in multiple ways. Other forms of criminal exploitation include child sexual exploitation, trafficking, gang and knife crime. County lines gangs are highly organised criminal networks that use sophisticated, frequently evolving techniques to groom young people and evade capture by the police.

How county lines works​

Perpetrators use children and young people to maximise profits and distance themselves from the criminal act of physically dealing drugs. Dedicated mobile phone lines or “deal lines” are used to help facilitate county lines drug deals. Phones are usually cheap, disposable and old fashioned (known as ‘burner’ phones). They are changed frequently to avoid detection by the police.
Gangs use the phones to receive orders and contact young people to instruct them where to deliver drugs. This may be to a dealer or drug user locally or in another county. Phrases that young people may use to refer to county lines include:

• ‘running a line’,
• ‘going OT/out there’
• ‘going country’
• ‘going cunch’.

These all refer to going out of town to deliver drugs or money

The quote "County Lines are phone lines" comes from Donna Rachel, a Councillor in Shropshire who defected from Reform.

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If you didn't watch the video, she offered to support on gathering experts to help prepare the report, but then declined because they wouldn't pay her. So she's laughing that they didn't write it properly. "On Page 11, for example, we find the following: "In each of these areas, the same tactics were used - girls as young as 11 were trafficked across County Lines. County Lines are phone lines... County Lines are the way urban drug dealers get their drugs out into more rural areas. They have phone lines that people can call to get drugs. Those are County Lines. So you cannot traffic somebody over a County Line unless you're trafficing someone over a phone line, which I guess is technically possible if you're also selling the person over the phone, but that's not what they mean here."

She's trying to create her own "People's Inquiry". Her official stance:

Grooming gangs are an organised crime problem, not an Islam problem.

Yes, there are Mirpuri rape gangs in Britain. There are also Irish, English, Yardies, Albanians, Kurds, Greeks, Turks, Russians and more.Pimping children is a revenue stream for ALL organised crime, worldwide. And they ALL use the loverboy method to ensnare their victims, targeting vulnerable children of every ethnicity. It’s the children’s vulnerability that makes them a target, not their colour.
The Rape Gang Inquiry report is a political polemic with absolutely no academic or journalistic value whatsoever, other than that it will be seen as a historical curio in years to come. Its key staffers are now all senior restore figures - one of them has just been announced as the Restore candidate for Manchester Mayoral race. However, its purpose was never to enlighten. Its purpose was only to enrage Restore’s core base: people who think that the countries problems can all be blamed on Muslims. As a Jewish person myself, I am not blind to the faults of Islamism, which has taken hold in this country in a serious way, and even Islam, which has a historical enmity with Jews.
But let’s be clear, as @Ed_Husain pointed out on @triggerpod just this week, the infiltration of our country by the Muslim Brotherhood and similar groups was aided and abetted heavily by our government. Blaming rape gangs on Muslims has three serious consequences.
1. It silences survivors who are not white / whose rapists were not Muslims. There are MANY of them. Their voices deserve to be heard.
2. It lets our corrupt institutions off the hook. They did not just look the other way, they are PART OF the criminal cartel system that now runs our country.
3. It incites violence against all Asians as a demographic, especially when fortified by policies like ‘deport communities that housed rape gang members’. The inevitable outcome will be civil war, as @DavidBe31099196 has been pointing out for some time now.
Listen to ALL survivors. Start to see the rape gangs for what they really are: a symptom of the corruption that has overtaken our nation, NOT an ‘Islam problem’.

So yes, she literally is attempting to discredit the inquiry because she's playing semantics. Many organisations use the term "County Lines" to specifically refer to the phone lines in use around city-to-country drug smuggling. This ignores that "County Lines Operations" refers to the gangs that use County Lines, and colloquially County Lines refers to the activity of gang activity occurring across urban-to-rural areas... and that the report was deliberately written in a colloquial manner.

 

[A-Logato]

So yes, she literally is attempting to discredit the inquiry because she's playing semantics

Doesn't help that she failed the "early life" check

 

[Clem Fandango]

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but can anyone explain to a non-Brit why it is necessary to bring Burnham into Parliament and make him PM? Has Labour already run through all the plausible candidates for PM who were already in Parliament?

Basically yes. In order to challenge Starmer, an existing Labour MP needed the support of, I think, 80 sitting MPs, and pretty much none of them could do that. Pretty damming, huh?

 

[Smyrna]

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but can anyone explain to a non-Brit why it is necessary to bring Burnham into Parliament and make him PM? Has Labour already run through all the plausible candidates for PM who were already in Parliament?

Every other plausible candidate is tarnished by their association with this government. Burnham is not tarnished, and will likely enjoy something of a honeymoon, which he may gamble on a snap election. Lots of Labour MPs like this because the only alternative is clinging on for three more years and then losing their job.

Very similar trajectory to Johnson - left Parliament to become a mayor whilst their party was in opposition, remained a popular mayor when their party re-entered government and started making difficult choices and mistakes, and then went back into Parliament when they thought it was time to make a move on the party leadership. It wasn't quite so easy for Boris as he was knifed by someone he thought was an ally at his first attempt, but he obviously got there in the end.

 

[AssignedEva]

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but can anyone explain to a non-Brit why it is necessary to bring Burnham into Parliament and make him PM? Has Labour already run through all the plausible candidates for PM who were already in Parliament?

There's no mechanism for Labour to force a Vote of No Confidence in their leader. Instead, you need to go straight to triggering a leadership election (which Keir could have run in).

That requires one leader to have the backing of 20% of the Parliamentary Labour Party (81 MPs)
and then backing of either 5% of Constituency Labour Parties or 3 organisations totalling 5% of Labour Party members (two of which must be affiliated trade unions), but ignore this bit for now.

Because Keir was a sitting incumbent, there was no guarantee he'd lose a leadership election - as recently as May he had 66% favourability among Labour members, yet 61% wanted him to stand down before the next election (as they think he'll lose to Reform). As there's no "we want Keir Starmer to leave" mechanism, MPs instead had to rally around an alternative and argue something like "we want Wes Streeting to be Prime Minister". MPs didn't want to back a challenger who lost to Keir, as that would have consequences for their parliamentary career ("You tried to backstab me, so I'm demoting you to being an irrelevant backbencher and you might get deselected at the next election"). Pretty much any of the names getting thrown around weren't guaranteed to win, so a critical volume of MPs were hedging their bets and refusing to back them even though they wanted Starmer to go.

Andy Burnham is popular because he gets credited with Manchester's economic boom, but most of the reasons for that predate him or have nothing to do with him (although he did make their buses way better). For example, right as he became Mayor, Manchester secured a position in the 100% Business Rates pilot. This meant it got to keep all commercial property taxes, instead of putting 50% into the national pot. But anyway, that means Andy is seen as a positive force, so MPs were confident he'd win in a leadership election. In some ways Keir resigning immediately has fucked Andy Burnham over, as he wanted Keir to stay on as caretaker until September; by immediately resigning, Andy now could be Prime Minister in 3 weeks, which means he won't have time to work out all his backroom deals and set out a policy base.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but can anyone explain to a non-Brit why it is necessary to bring Burnham into Parliament and make him PM? Has Labour already run through all the plausible candidates for PM who were already in Parliament?

Yes. Burnham is the only one that has any name recognition and isn't directly attached to Starmer's cabinet. Everyone currently in government is deeply unpopular.

Burnham has already held a leadership position as mayor of Greater Manchester.

 

[KeeKeeCooch]

So Marlon West is the official mayoral candidate for the Restore Britain party. His daughter was a victim of the grooming gangs and he has quite the disturbing story about it. I doubt he'll win and I don't think Restore are doing this in hopes they'll win, they're a party shy of 5/6 months? They got name/publicity recognition on the makerfield election, even though Newsnight didn't host Rebecca. This is the smartest tactic to follow in the long-term.

I can see either Labour/Green winning due to the amount of Muslims and fags in city. Hopefully in the next year or so, Restore can gain more serious legitimacy than Reform.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

His daughter was a victim of the grooming gangs and he has quite the disturbing story about it.

Oh boy, parliamentary privilege comments about the RICU units would be spectacular.

 

[babadook]

I don't dispute that spite is a powerful motivator. I merely dispute that it's a good idea. Like I said, voting to "own the libs" - or in this particular case, "support the libs but fuck London", which is the closest thing to a policy base Andy has - is retard MAGA logic. Retard MAGA logic can be successful in politics, it's just also not a good thing.

Oh ok, it's a zero sum game then? I guess I'll just start voting to benefit London and fuck over whatever hole you're from.

HECKING drumpferinos m8...

 

[BongoMongo]

Can any full time resident in Scotland Kiwis explain to me why your petrol and diesel is so, so much cheaper than in England.

Even on motorway, it was 20p cheaper per liter of diesel. Even in arse end of Caithness, the price was similar.