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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[i440BX]

I thought that might be the case. I know people that live in Hungary, and they say that a lot less is wasted over there; e.g., one guy had his boiler fixed, and over here it would be an in-and-out replacement. Over there they dismantled the whole thing, cleaned it, fixed it and then reinstalled it. I don't know if that was a common occurrence; it was just the impression I got from expats that I've spoken to there.

I also see a lot of older European cars tend to end up over there. However, I am normally watching guys get old 2000s-era BMWs and VWs working, so my impression might be skewed. Compare that with over here, and I see guys leaving perfectly good Landies from the 80s and 90s rotting in their front garden. There is a Series 3 near me that is halfway in a hedge, which breaks my heart. If I had room, I would have pulled it out of the hedge long ago to fix.

Yes, it's pretty common to try to fix your own appliances, like changing the graphite brushes in your washing machine, removing the deposits inside your boiler. People also try to get most from their cars, getting rid of the cars after becoming worn off.

Myself I even try to repair some electronics if it isnt hard. I fixed a cheap philips 1280*1024 lcd monitor which had oxidized front panel OSD buttons, i soldered new buttons (they are standard 4 pin push buttons, common in beginner arduino kits).

 

[Smyrna]

what the fuck are they going to do with mad Ed Milliband

With God's grace, they will manage to lock him in either of his kitchens with an endless supply of bacon sandwiches to practice with.

Seriously, though, the easiest victory that Burnham (or any other PM) could claim is to kick net zero into the long grass. Put it on the same timeline as China, because there is no point in going any faster than that. Then open up the North Sea. The unions will back you in doing this!

 

[Breadbassket]

As much as I'm glad to see him go, I can't wait to see the room temperature IQ retards on X acting like this is a massive victory and somehow means that all of Starmer's surveillance state policies and globalist faggotry will vanish overnight, as a result of him resigning. Burnham is cut from the same cloth, just wait and you'll see.

As much as it will not be within our best interests economically, the only approach we can take until the next GE is to make life as difficult as possible for these people so they cannot effectively govern the country and further erode our rights and spy on us.

We should all be focusing on driving Burnham out of office next, make the door spin with PM's so much that nobody is holding office long enough to achieve any of their sinister goals. Fuck all of these people.

People can see Starmer resigning as a win but they shouldn't mistake it with some sort of total victory that means the current woes and struggles are over. The Wars of the Roses didn't end at Tewkesbury.

 

[2 Faces 2 Colours]

As much as I'm glad to see him go, I can't wait to see the room temperature IQ retards on X acting like this is a massive victory and somehow means that all of Starmer's surveillance state policies and globalist faggotry will vanish overnight, as a result of him resigning. Burnham is cut from the same cloth, just wait and you'll see.

Are they left-wing people who think that Labour will be totally different this time around?

 

[KeeKeeCooch]

Put it on the same timeline as China

I do find it hilarious and horrifying how the left/communists (of course) praise China for their Eco-friendly, net zero ways and how they are somehow leading the way. Yet open coal factories more than we allow dirty muslims into this country, have concentration camp for the native muslims of China (based), I can't be assed with listing all the horrid shit that China does, but I guess the average libtard will see a fancy lightshow from Shanghai and think that China is somehow in the future.

 

[draggs]

Sort of European but this article in the Economist was interesting, especially with the English and Scottish over there and living it up.
''European football fans visiting America are discovering the mass affluence of the country’s suburbs. The wealth enticing holidaymakers troubles European elites. America, once a peer, seems to be racing ahead''. Just some key highlights, especially in the era of 'nations are not economic zones' and the Restore manifesto rejecting the idea that GDP is the ultimate metric of success.

lol Restore confirmed Retarded and the Economist and Krugman as usual coping. The US is not seeming to race ahead. The US is mogging the EU in every economic metric to a degree that has steadily grown over the last 25 years and passed the embarrassing point 10 years ago. It's even worse comparing the US to the UK

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

I do find it hilarious and horrifying how the left/communists (of course) praise China for their Eco-friendly, net zero ways and how they are somehow leading the way. Yet open coal factories more than we allow dirty muslims into this country, have concentration camp for the native muslims of China (based), I can't be assed with listing all the horrid shit that China does, but I guess the average libtard will see a fancy lightshow from Shanghai and think that China is somehow in the future.

I think so many people (left and right and not political) are just straight up ignorant of the rest of the world. That's why we end up with Telegraph articles about 'I moved to Italy and I couldn't believe the education system was different', or people who have no idea that you need to apply for a visa to enter certain countries. You try to explain to some women that it's illegal to have a 'boyfriend' in some countries and that unmarried women cannot live alone and they cannot understand it (''but I had breakfast this morning!''). The concept of different cultures and ways of thinking actually evades them. Even when they call the US/UK/Israel/North Korea/Russia mega-evil they cannot explain how or why, or even get to 'its because of their culture'. Its fucking baffling.

 

[Broadside]

I think so many people (left and right and not political) are just straight up ignorant of the rest of the world. That's why we end up with Telegraph articles about 'I moved to Italy and I couldn't believe the education system was different', or people who have no idea that you need to apply for a visa to enter certain countries. You try to explain to some women that it's illegal to have a 'boyfriend' in some countries and that unmarried women cannot live alone and they cannot understand it (''but I had breakfast this morning!''). The concept of different cultures and ways of thinking actually evades them. Even when they call the US/UK/Israel/North Korea/Russia mega-evil they cannot explain how or why, or even get to 'its because of their culture'. Its fucking baffling.

What I find irritating/amusing is how most of these retards view countries like NK/China/Saudi Arabia.
They seem to think the government just has a total grip on a poor bewildered populace. They fail to realise most people in NK and China are just as lunatic-minded as their rulers. Most North Koreans aren't forced to worship Kim like he's some sort of divinity; many of them quite honestly believe it.

 

[Liechtenstein]

Restore manifesto rejecting the idea that GDP is the ultimate metric of success.

lol Restore confirmed Retarded and the Economist and Krugman as usual coping.

it's a sentiment of "i'd rather be poor but live in a country where my culture and children are safe from feral niggers"

 

[draggs]

it's a sentiment of "i'd rather be poor but live in a country where my culture and children are safe from feral niggers"

That's a ngmi mindset. Culture and children are not safe from feral niggers if too many people are poor, they start supporting commies and then what do they get? Feral niggers

 

[EddyRooney]

it's a sentiment of "i'd rather be poor but live in a country where my culture and children are safe from feral niggers"

Or possibly one of - we can do all we can about GDP, but there are certain geographical and natural resource constraints that mean we may never be as rich as some other more naturally blessed countries BUT we will have the right to self determination and have national security ( borders, energy and food ) make everyone equal under the law and favour our own people and encourage their progression over immigrants.

 

[Liechtenstein]

That's a ngmi mindset. Culture and children are not safe from feral niggers if too many people are poor, they start voting for commies and then what do they get? Feral niggers

true but no left-leaning party here - now and for the rest of time - respects the working class enough for them vote for commies doe. weird how this is even in the manifesto, i though Lowe was against the british crab bucket thing?

 

[Overly Serious]

lol Restore confirmed Retarded and the Economist and Krugman as usual coping

Unless I miss some weird sarcasm (unless I misremember, you are not a Bong), Restore are absolutely correct to try and topple GDP from its pedestal. It's not a meaningless statistic but for years its been used as a metric for success justifying all sorts of socially destructive measures. It has to be the single most misused statistic there is by this point. Well, except perhaps 41%.

As to Starmer going, I don't really get people celebrating it when you're just replacing one Labour pudding with another. Burnham will be no better but because he's new will face less risk of immediate push-back by the party.

 

[ShitLurker]

The sad reality is that some people will never get it. A portion of them might if they ever experience real negative consequences that comes from their political stances but the truly deranged are basically zealots.

It always comes to this.



Some people are just born broken and are unable to understand that the outgroup just wants them dead and raped.

Also, fuck Starmer, but does this actually imply any actual hope for a change? I expect some other retard getting put in the possition and tripling down.

 

[Overly Serious]

Or possibly one of - we can do all we can about GDP, but there are certain geographical and natural resource constraints that mean we may never be as rich as some other more naturally blessed countries BUT we will have the right to self determination and have national security ( borders, energy and food ) make everyone equal under the law and favour our own people and encourage their progression over immigrants.

It's a question of wealth to population. The UK may not have the natural resources of the USA but then it doesn't have a population of 360m either and doesn't need to. Luxembourg has fuck all natural resource it exploits but is pretty filthy rich. Plus times have changed - we don't need to be exporting coal in a nuclear age. There is so much that could be done to raise the quality of life of the British so I don't accept at all any messaging of "we would rather be poor but free", because I'm very sure we could be rich and free.

We don't have the space of the USA but then if we don't import massive numbers of immigrants, that's not an issue.

It always comes to this.

One of my favourite charts:


Some people don't want to be happy. They just want to see everyone else miserable.

Both your chart and mine share a related mindset deep down. One that I have noticed is common amongst the Left. It's the idea that everything is Zero Sum. That one person's gain must be another person's loss. It's the mentality of a child who is dependent on a parent for everything. Because the parents' resources are finite, everything is a competition with the rest of their family for being given things. They're like stunted people who never grew beyond the child mentality of everything being given to them, everything being getting their "share". They never reached the adult mentality of what you have being what you earn by going out and getting it. Therefore they think everything comes down to how the state (parent substitute) distributes things. They want to distribute what they have out to others rather than expect those others to find their own resource. They want those who do have more to be cut down to their level because somehow they must have taken it from someone else.

Some people think the cake must be evenly sliced, and others think there should be more cakes. And those who see cakes as something given by their parent rather than baked or purchased yourself, lean overwhelmingly towards the former.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

This is a victory because it installs a leader who inherits a completely broken system with no mandate. He has unfortunately inherited a split party that is only happy that Starmer is gone. They're not happy that Burnham is there. He will face rebellions even quicker, and he has already fucked up because he has said he is continuing Reeves policies, but worse. Starmer was ousted by the military apparatus, stepping down and sowing the seeds. Burnham will be ousted like Truss through insane financial policies.

I don't think he will last til Christmas personally.

Either way, I am going to get very drunk tonight.

 

[the printer is outo fink]

Why? Aren't the Londoners draconian about car emissions and polluants? I never heard of black snot where I live.

It's mainly the tube and black snots are very synonymous to moving to London. The thing that's less mentioned is hair, my hair is never shorter than a bob and when I lived in London I pretty much forgot that the water isn't supposed to run dark grey in the first rinse of your hair. I'd wash my hair every day or two and I could see the dirt in the first shampoo lather and then the water would rinse out dark grey. I learned very quickly not to take a bath where I washed my hair unless I wanted to sit in tube grime.

There's a lot about London I really like, but the air in the tube is absolutely filthy.

 

[Corette]

When October comes, will people talk about Starmer-era as "good old times"?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Unless I miss some weird sarcasm (unless I misremember, you are not a Bong), Restore are absolutely correct to try and topple GDP from its pedestal. It's not a meaningless statistic but for years its been used as a metric for success justifying all sorts of socially destructive measures. It has to be the single most misused statistic there is by this point.

Worth pointing out that UK GDP has grown near-constantly for the last 40 years, but people are still poorer. Even GDP per-capita is a poor proxy for personal prosperity. I much prefer Restore's proposed per-capita energy cost per capita metric, which is based on the understanding that personal and economic prosperity are driven by access to cheap energy. It's much harder to game.

 

[draggs]

Unless I miss some weird sarcasm (unless I misremember, you are not a Bong), Restore are absolutely correct to try and topple GDP from its pedestal. It's not a meaningless statistic but for years its been used as a metric for success justifying all sorts of socially destructive measures. It has to be the single most misused statistic there is by this point. Well, except perhaps 41%.

Britain is already poor so you have the worst of both worlds. Your public getting distracted by misused GDP statistics is the fault of the people misleading, and your people for allowing themselves to be successfully misled. Now, looking into it, Restore wants to replace GDP with kilowatt hours per capita divided by the cost per kWh

Let's do some math. Not maths you dirty bong

US kWh per capita (residential, commercial, industrial use): approx. 12,350
US kWh cost (residential, commercial, industrial combined and averaged): approx. 13.78 cents
Result (12,350 / 13.78) = approx. 896.22

UK kWh per capita: approx. 4,150
UK kWh cost, converted from pence to cents: approx. 34.7 cents
Result (4,150 / 34.7) = approx. 119.59

896.22 / 119.59 = approx. 7.49

US GDP 2025: 30.77 trillion USD
UK GDP 2025: 4.26 trillion USD

30.77 / 4.26 = approx. 7.22

The point here is that replacing GDP with (kWh per capita / kWh cost) is not really illuminating to the magnitude Restore seems to think it is. The difference between 7.22 and 7.49 is 3.67%, that is, using Restore's statistic, the UK economy appears approx. 3.7% worse off compared to the US economy than it does using a straight GDP comparison. Of course, the UK's economy is much, much worse off than America's, worse off than is revealed by using either a GDP comparison or a Restore kWh formula comparison

Another point is that Restore's kWh formula is just another way to say "line go up = good." Same as GDP. "GDP line go up = good." The larger the number is when you divide kWh per capita by kWh cost is, the better off your economy is. ie, "kWh per capita / kWh cost line go up = good." I think "line go up" snark is lazy and misleading itself to a large degree, but that's another topic

tldr I don't think this kWh statistic is much more useful than GDP