Brianna Wu / John Flynt - DEAGLE NATION STILL LIVES

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How long will Revolution 60 come to Steam?

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I'm not as optimistic about these revelations as some people seem to be here. Wu's sympathizers have ignored a lot in the past (and accepted the farce about her not confirming whether or not she's transgender) so what does it matter to those followers if her past is proven? They were already willing to accept a lie.

Unless they're actively unsubscribing from her Patreon and people aren't inviting her to conferences any more, she's free to continue to pretend to be a game developer on someone else's dime.

Based on her past I'm not sure what it would actually take for her actions and lies to catch up with her. When was the last time her Patreon actually dipped noticeably?
 
It's not John's supporters, but John himself. John is the one who is salty about his past. And as long as he is butthurt about it, any proof that connects him to it causes him to freak out.
I care as much about people who give John money as those who give Chris money. I think they're stupid, but it's the cow themselves that provide the milk.
 
Kosher Dill dijo:
This isn't true, Kickstarter has no money-back guarantee. If you contribute to a project that mismanages itself and wastes the money, you're just out your investment.
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Not entirely
https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use#section4
https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use#section17
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/federal-regulators-go-crowdfunding-scams-kickstarter-gofundme/
http://gamerant.com/kickstarter-class-action-lawsuit/
http://valleywag.gawker.com/it-just-got-easier-to-sue-failed-kickstarter-campaigns-1637720027

People who fund projects enter a contract with the creator. The end result is they must fulfill that contract or refund the money. They can do many things to delay delivery if it is needed but they must be transparent. Wu has hardly been transparent, but she hasnt said its cancelled. If she does say its cancelled shes obligated to refund everyones money.

In fact heres something that has many similarities to Wu's kickstarter.
http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/when-kickstarter-investors-want-their-money-back.html
http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/22/w...arter-backer-decided-to-sue-why-he-was-right/
 
IMPORTANT UPDATE: @Null has asked us to hold off on the release until Lolcow Wiki is back up, because he wants the resulting salt recorded. I don't like holding off, especially because deadlines are something of a sticking point for me, but it'd really be for the best if we had the ability to record the response for posterity in the best home for them.
 
Jaimas dijo:
IMPORTANT UPDATE: @Null has asked us to hold off on the release until Lolcow Wiki is back up, because he wants the resulting salt recorded. I don't like holding off, especially because deadlines are something of a sticking point for me, but it'd really be for the best if we had the ability to record the response for posterity in the best home for them.
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Did @Null tell you when the Lolcow Wiki would be back up?
 
Jaimas dijo:
IMPORTANT UPDATE: @Null has asked us to hold off on the release until Lolcow Wiki is back up, because he wants the resulting salt recorded. I don't like holding off, especially because deadlines are something of a sticking point for me, but it'd really be for the best if we had the ability to record the response for posterity in the best home for them.
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Waiting for Brianna to suggest her and Null have a cup of coffee sometime.
 
DragoonSierra dijo:
http://valleywag.gawker.com/it-just-got-easier-to-sue-failed-kickstarter-campaigns-1637720027

People who fund projects enter a contract with the creator. The end result is they must fulfill that contract or refund the money. They can do many things to delay delivery if it is needed but they must be transparent. Wu has hardly been transparent, but she hasnt said its cancelled. If she does say its cancelled shes obligated to refund everyones money.
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I more or less predicted this would eventually come to pass. These campaigns are sort of in their infancy and enjoying kind of a honeymoon period, but that's going to come crashing down, especially if one of these operations actually loses enough money that it becomes worthwhile to sue Kickstarter itself. The fact they simultaneously get a cut out of these campaigns while willfully turning a blind eye to improprieties makes for a good case that they're unjustly enriching themselves at the expense of backers.

I'd say that actually pulling the already completed product off the market is itself some sort of breach, too. It's at best highly irregular to do such a thing with basically absolutely no reason. To the extent the property is dying on the vine because of this and becoming less valuable by the day, that's another ripoff by Wu.
 
uberzilla dijo:
I'm not as optimistic about these revelations as some people seem to be here. Wu's sympathizers have ignored a lot in the past (and accepted the farce about her not confirming whether or not she's transgender) so what does it matter to those followers if her past is proven? They were already willing to accept a lie.

Unless they're actively unsubscribing from her Patreon and people aren't inviting her to conferences any more, she's free to continue to pretend to be a game developer on someone else's dime.

Based on her past I'm not sure what it would actually take for her actions and lies to catch up with her. When was the last time her Patreon actually dipped noticeably?
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This. While we'll get lulz out of Wu chimping out and she may lose some supporters, and MAYBE lose face with her connections in the twitter staff, it's not going to kill her base support of SJWs. She'll cry oppression my-soggy-knee and maybe even transphobia, and so will her little group of followers. When dealing with SJWs remember that facts and reason don't matter, only their feels and a desire to impose censorship on people they don't like. These are people that will even support pedophiles as long as they side with them, after all.

Wu is probably always going to be around and will always be getting some money from Patreon and have a few ass patters at her beck and call while living off the tug-boat that is her husband. However the good news out of this is that Wu will probably never achieve the fame and notoriety that people like Zoe Quinn and Anita/McIntosh have, simply due to the massive paper trail of documented and disproven lies that are tied to her and her inability to shut up when things get heated for her.
 
I still have my doubts on Brianna having strong links to anyone at Twitter. I think the people who enforce the rules are just in the same school of "progressive" thinking where facts are only useful when they support feelings. Those types of people also seem to be inclined to go after moderator positions or anything that has control over a community. I bet you that even when the public records of Wu being Flynt are revealed people will still get banned on twitter just because of the deadnaming. I don't think there are any conspiracies but birds of a feather tend to get triggered together.
 
Wu leverages whatever connections he can though. If John knows someone that knows someone that knows someone working there, John will bridge that gap if he can. He's proven repeatedly he doesn't want to bother with report forms and such, and prefers harassing someone personally to get shit done NOW.
 
Batman VS Tony Danza dijo:
I still have my doubts on Brianna having strong links to anyone at Twitter. I think the people who enforce the rules are just in the same school of "progressive" thinking where facts are only useful when they support feelings. Those types of people also seem to be inclined to go after moderator positions or anything that has control over a community. I bet you that even when the public records of Wu being Flynt are revealed people will still get banned on twitter just because of the deadnaming. I don't think there are any conspiracies but birds of a feather tend to get triggered together.
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Del Harvey, of Perverted Justice fame, is the main member of Twitter Support.
She's also a personal friend of Randwhale on Twitter, among other prominent Antis. Whilst there's no love lost between Wu and the other Antis, Wu is smart enough to aggressively use her connections.
Don't underestimate this.

UPDATE ON DA UPDATE: Based on advice from @Null, the big reveal will be presaged by a massive analysis piece covering it on Lolcow Wiki. It's Null's belief that we should maximize the damage, and thus, chimp-out potential, from this reveal, and the fact that our Pickled Patriarch is directly involved with this tactic should give you an idea of how much salt he feels could potentially be squeezed from this little incident.

So whilst I hate forestalling shit, I implore you, good Kiwis, to give us a little time to get things up and then savor the impending disaster.
 
Batman VS Tony Danza dijo:
Wu didn't tweet for an entire day. God damn. One way or another something is up.
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My guess is that Brianna is scared of what we may have found now and is:

A. Preparing to spin this incoming shitstorm.
B. Marshaling what remains of her supporters to get them ready to cover it up.
C. Frantically going through her history to try and delete whatever we may have found.

One thing for sure that she's not doing - working on Revolution60.
 
Francis York Morgan dijo:
My guess is that Brianna is scared of what we may have found now and is:

A. Preparing to spin this incoming shitstorm.
B. Marshaling what remains of her supporters to get them ready to cover it up.
C. Frantically going through her history to try and delete whatever we may have found.

One thing for sure that she's not doing - working on Revolution60.
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Wu is in ultimate hugbox mode:

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=FeministX&src=typd

He's fucking terrified now.
 
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