Brianna Wu / John Flynt - DEAGLE NATION STILL LIVES

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How long will Revolution 60 come to Steam?


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@Dork Of Ages You are a true Kiwi hero. Fucking hell, I can't get over the CWC mailbag tier response from John - take a polite question from a fan (:ween:) and then turn it around and immediately victimise yourself. A+++++ content.
 
Using the right game engine is like picking the right tool for the job. You dont use a complicated buzz saw to slice bread

In fact, I struggle to think of a really successful, properly indie game built on the big 3D engines like Unreal or Unity. There have been plenty of successful Unity games, things like Hearthstone and Wasteland 2 for example, but they all tend to be larger productions with significant budgets. It's my belief that those sorts of engines foster a development aesthetic that just isn't really within reach of small teams with modest budgets, while now that Gamemaker has GL ES shader support I've seen devs doing very impressive looking things with it. Wu's game is a prime example of being overambitious for what her team actually could achieve. It's neither interesting to play nor visually pleasing, it's only a rung or two above the horrid Unity asset store powered disasters that flood Steam now.

15000 PEOPLE in ONE WEEK?

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She means that Milo tweeted about her.

WuWu dijo:
I’m a businesswoman that secures capital and pays people money to produce creative content. That may not be your dream, but it’s mine - and we deeply need women like me building companies and working to improve these institutions.

Oh, Wu. Still lying. By "secures capital" you mean you talked your husband in to paying for your vanity project. Can't you ever lay off the self-aggrandising talk?
 
I did a thing, and HOLY SHIT PEOPLE

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Hi, I sent this e-mail to you a few weeks back but I don't think you ever got it. I must have used the wrong address to do so. I hope resending you this again won't bother you.

Here is my message, unedited:


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Hi Brianna.

Please excuse me if this is the wrong channel to contact you. I know you have Twitter but I don't use it, and frankly I don't think it's the best medium for what I would like to ask of you.

First, let me contextualize what I need you to hear:

https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/684494983936786437

How can these game engines be considered "toys"? They can and are to many people their first door into game developing and the video game industry. Plenty of great games have arised from such "toy" engines: Hotline Miami, Undertale, LISA, OFF, Spelunky, Yume Nikki, etc. And three of them were released recently, so it's not like they are a fad from the 90s or 2000s.

In fact, a friend of mine is making her own game on her own, and I root for her to achieve that one day. Can you imagine how upset she would feel that her game could be considered a "toy" game just because of its engine?

I understand that you are an important figure in the tech industry, especially in relation to women and other minorities and their necessary inclusion in it.

So I ask you to please apologize for this. It can be disempowering to women out there such as my friend to hear such things. I know it was just a comment on the side, but it is like you said, "death by 1000 cuts", correct? I am sure you of all people don't want to keep participating in this cycle of unintentional bigotry.

In fact, if you are willing to do so, it would be very interesting to see you try working with such engines during your free time, after you ship Revolution 60. (By the way, while I may not particularly like you all the time, I think your game is awesome! Stoked for the PC release!) You are a software engineer and you once said you were "the leading expert on Unreal Engine" so I don't believe learning how to use these other engines would particularly be difficult for you.

I am sorry for my strong wording on this. I don't mean to offend you or place doubts on your professionalism and experience in such matters. I am just upset, really. And sorry again for possibly using the wrong channels to send you this message. Are there any other private ways I can reach you? I just don't really like Twitter, to be honest.

Thanks for listening and have a good day,

Joana Voadora


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Joana,

While I can appreciate the spirit in which this was sent, I want you to consider a different perspective than your friend. I want you to consider what it’s like to be Brianna Wu.

The constant harassment of Gamergate has become a part of my life that no one seems to really care about anymore. Last week, I was doxed to more than 15,000 people. There’s no press, it’s a just a normal part of being a woman in a field I used to love. It’s affected my happiness and my health deeply.

I need to tell you, what’s currently damage me just as much is people that supposedly have my same values insisting I agree with them on everything, and harassing me if I don’t. While your letter isn’t harassment, it’s part of this demand for ideological purity that is tremendously draining to me. Two weeks ago, I said something vaguely positive about capitalism while simultaneously critiquing it, and was bullied for two days left by a rabid leftist mob..

This kind of mob punishment of anyone deemed ideologically impure isn’t a good trait for the right, and it’s not good for the left.

The left owns academia. The left owns youth culture. But the left has an uphill battle in corporate institutions in tech where the power and policy is currently set. I’m not a rebel indie dev living off crowdfunded support, or an academic producing feminist media. I’m a businesswoman that secures capital and pays people money to produce creative content. That may not be your dream, but it’s mine - and we deeply need women like me building companies and working to improve these institutions.

I have fought tooth and nail inside these institutions, in battles that really only cost me career, sanity and access. I can point to many direct policy changes I helped shape. These are things I am positioned to do that other feminists can’t - because they don’t work here.

But today, I worked a 12 hour day, and I’m getting a second email from you demanding a response to a sin you perceive.

I am tired, Joana. I’m burnt. And this letter just makes me want to quit because what is the fucking point?

I’ve never met Jason, the man in that Tweet you’re angry about. But he’s someone I deeply treasure in my life. He’s a positive presence, and someone with a kind word. From my perspective, I was having a private conversation with a friend, and you and demanding I atone for that opinion.

I want to share what I mean by calling it a toy.

I was homeless after my parents disowned me. I’ve never finished college actually, because with three classes left, they left me without any ability to eat, bathe or clothe myself. I was living out of my car for over a month.

The one reason I was able to get a foothold and not die were the tech skills I had developed. I’m 38 now. I think I toured 20 colleges last year, and students often ask me what they should study. From that experience, I think it’s important to develop tech skills with wide commercial applications.

Those engines are great to learn on - but they are not time investments that you will be able to pay your rent with. That is the comment I was making to my friend and not to the public. Do you really require a pound of flesh for this today?

I do not belong to you.
Brianna Wu
I don't know why but I'm absolutely stunned at that response.

The initial e-mail wasn't rude but anything short of kissing her ass is a slight against her, so it's fun to see the mental gymnastics here. How a simple question of "hey, could you clarify what you meant by this statement?" turns into a crocodile-tear filled rant about nothing you even said or implied.

Good lord.
 
While I can appreciate the spirit in which this was sent, I want you to consider a different perspective than your friend. I want you to consider what it’s like to be Brianna Wu.

The constant harassment of Gamergate has become a part of my life that no one seems to really care about anymore. Last week, I was doxed to more than 15,000 people. There’s no press, it’s a just a normal part of being a woman in a field I used to love. It’s affected my happiness and my health deeply.
It took her three sentences to bring up that GamerGate is supposedly harassing her, which has nothing to do with the question it was asked.

I would say that "I am harassed by GamerGate!" has become her "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam." although I believe that unlike Wu, Cato the Elder had something interesting to say apart from that sentence.
 
You know how in recent seasons of Sunny, Dennis will go on these long, colorful tirades if he feels he's being disrespected or underestimated?

Just sayin.
 
There are people in worse positions (and attitudes) than Wu that are still able to hold a job, and she's sneaky enough to talk herself up to management and gain favour, and she's done so before.

Not everything is in the public eye, but I'd love to see her as a greeter at Cost Co. Or Wal-Mart. She's old and cantankerous enough that it just might work. :sighduck:

At this point it's not so much Wu's lack of actual work credentials as it is their own karma come back around to bite them in the ass - for better or worse, Wu did succeed in making a significant portion of the younger population know who they are.

And given the spread of recent discovered information (can't say it's "leaked" since this shit is openly accessible to the public) all those people pretty much have nothing but pure contempt for this failure-at-life attention whore.

Even if public media infamy wasn't enough to get Wu fired from a greeter's position, assuming Twitter is not vanishing anytime soon all Wu would do is obsessively stare at their smartphone tweeting shit instead of actually doing their job.

She really has no idea just how successful games like Hotline: Miami or Undertale have been compared to how much they cost to develop. What an ignorant stance to take for someone who spent $400,000+ to make a game that hasn't sold anywhere near the amount either of those have. Then again, I get the sense that Brianna is bitter that these games are so much more successful and relevant than her flop.

Damn, Wu, get off your fucking cross. You said something dumb and people responded accordingly.

Undertale also has the thing where if you're going down the genocide route, it will beg you the entire way to stop killing everybody. It's believed this is commentary from the creator, Toby Fox (or so I've heard about this), that just because the kill everybody option exists, you don't need to take it just because.

Naturally, Wu would murder the fuck out of everybody (or try to at least) and if successful would then complain about the game forever more treating them like a monster.

Okay, first Apple and now Unreal Engine. What's with Wu and his autism-grade brand loyalty? To the point of insulting other alternatives and flying into a tard rage like in this email
To suggest the Unreal Engine is not superior would invalidate all that money spent on training people who don't work for Wu anymore, I guess.
 
Short version: "I had millionaire parents but one time I had to sleep in a car for a whole month"
Exactly. She moans and bitches at how difficult her life has been, ignoring that John Flynt was born with opportunities and comforts most can only dream of. She's had every opportunity to succeed, to improve, and to advance, and didn't because she'd rather tweet.
Being forced to live in a car for a month because you've had zero access to opportunity and grew up poor is a tragic thing. Being forced to live in a car after you've been handed hundreds of thousands and fucked it away on pet projects is you making your own bed.
 
Exactly. She moans and bitches at how difficult her life has been, ignoring that John Flynt was born with opportunities and comforts most can only dream of. She's had every opportunity to succeed, to improve, and to advance, and didn't because she'd rather tweet.
Being forced to live in a car for a month because you've had zero access to opportunity and grew up poor is a tragic thing. Being forced to live in a car after you've been handed hundreds of thousands and fucked it away on pet projects is you making your own bed.

And that's assuming you believe her account. I'm not so sure I do. OK, if her parents cut her off flat, she'd be in a bit of bind, but she says she needed to finish 3 courses, that's one semester worth of work, right? I'm sure that had someone been in that sort of financial situation, they could just have gone to the student welfare office and gotten emergency housing and help to finish up their degree. If nothing else, she's had all her bills paid by her parents up to that point, a modest student loan would have allowed her to finish school, and allowed her to find somewhere to live while she looked for part time work.

This "I was homeless!" claim has been a fairly recent addition to her biography so, considering her entire career is based on being oppressed, I'm pretty sure it's either entirely fabricated or grossly exaggerated.

Edit: Also, if you're a fucking student, how realistic is it that you have absolutely zero friends with house shares who wouldn't mind you sleeping on their couch for a week or so? OK, sure, creepy tranny mid-20s student would count against you, but still....
 
It's the "I’m a businesswoman that secures capital and pays people money to produce creative content" bit that gets me. Wu might be many things, but a businesswoman is not one of them (and not just because she's not a woman, either). She has never earned a single dollar herself. The money from her failed animation studio came from her parents. Her game development place was financed by her husband. Revolution 60 was funded by random people on the Internet, as is her current income. For her to seriously believe that she partakes in capitalism, when in reality people just throw money at her to keep her quiet, is insane cognitive dissonance.
 
And that's assuming you believe her account. I'm not so sure I do. OK, if her parents cut her off flat, she'd be in a bit of bind, but she says she needed to finish 3 courses, that's one semester worth of work, right? I'm sure that had someone been in that sort of financial situation, they could just have gone to the student welfare office and gotten emergency housing and help to finish up their degree. If nothing else, she's had all her bills paid by her parents up to that point, a modest student loan would have allowed her to finish school, and allowed her to find somewhere to live while she looked for part time work.
She's either full of shit in this story or she is incredibly lazy. As you said, three courses isn't a lot at all. Realistically, it means if she were to do it in one semester (just to qualify for full-time student status for loans), that's maybe 3-4 hours of the day she is in class and the rest could be used to work a part-time job for additional income. And this is not even considering other possibilities like taking one course a semester while working full-time or living with others to help offset the cost of living.

So yeah, Brianna. If your story is true (which I doubt) you aren't a martyr. You are just a spoiled brat who couldn't put in anything beyond the minimum amount of effort.
 
It's really, really telling that Wu claims her only reason she failed out of her "last semester" of college after 10 years is her parents stopped financially supporting her. Never mind the millions of student each year who work full time and attend school and still manage to graduate. The second she is not given every comfort she could want she instantly packs up her shit and runs away flipping middle fingers at her people who love her.

Wu...
Wu never changes...

So the show is so boring that over half the theme song is random nonsense about a panda dance and turkey hands?

I did a teeny bit of digging and Wu and Co seem to be trying to emulate more famous people without understanding it. What is it PewDiePie calls his fans? Bros? That's cool, do whatever you want.

But that's what they're trying to do. They're "Fandas" - Fan Pandas, because everyone loves Pandas! And we can make cute references to it! And OMG! You can even become an official Fanda by BUYING THEIR MERCHANDISE!!!
 
It's the "I’m a businesswoman that secures capital and pays people money to produce creative content" bit that gets me. Wu might be many things, but a businesswoman is not one of them (and not just because she's not a woman, either). She has never earned a single dollar herself. The money from her failed animation studio came from her parents. Her game development place was financed by her husband. Revolution 60 was funded by random people on the Internet, as is her current income. For her to seriously believe that she partakes in capitalism, when in reality people just throw money at her to keep her quiet, is insane cognitive dissonance.

Heh, and she's trying to do it again with her $23 million in venture capital search. You can't say she isn't failing upwards, 200K, 400K, 23 mil.... Good thing nobody is ever going to be crazy enough to finance her new ambitions.
 
It's incredulous they'd stop supporting her that close to graduating anyways after dropping $200,000 on an obviously bad business venture.
If you can throw away money like that, you can feed and clothe your child for 5 months.
Another reason I think she's lying in her account. However, there might be a kernel of truth in there. From what we know, I think the timing of her getting cut off adds up so there could be a chance that something about Brianna's college experience led to it.
 
Another reason I think she's lying in her account. However, there might be a kernel of truth in there. From what we know, I think the timing of her getting cut off adds up so there could be a chance that something about Brianna's college experience led to it.

What year would this cutoff be?
The first thing that comes to mind is certain disability educational scholarships cutoff past a certain age.
Maybe didn't want to pay sticker price tuition.
She was definitely in school long enough, but this might be stretching it.
 
Another reason I think she's lying in her account. However, there might be a kernel of truth in there. From what we know, I think the timing of her getting cut off adds up so there could be a chance that something about Brianna's college experience led to it.

Remember, there was a drug addiction involved here so it's just as likely that she wasn't even close to graduating to after a decade and they were just like "Nah, we're done with this shit."

Also, of course, even if they cut her off from going to college, it doesn't mean they cut her out of their life completely. It's really not that cruel for parents to decide they aren't paying for your education anymore, that's not something that Brianna (or anyone else) is entitled to.
 
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What year would this cutoff be?
The first thing that comes to mind is certain disability educational scholarships cutoff past a certain age.
Maybe didn't want to pay sticker price tuition.
She was definitely in school long enough, but this might be stretching it.

Nah, her family was good for the money. I suspect there was a conversation that went something like this:

Flynt the Younger: Father, I failed all my classes and therefore shall require another year at university.
Flynt the Elder: Really, son? I am disappoint.
Flynt the Younger: Also father, I am a woman. I shall require $9000 dollars for silicon tits.
Flynt the Elder: Now Jesus is disappoint. Get out of my house.
 
Another reason I think she's lying in her account. However, there might be a kernel of truth in there. From what we know, I think the timing of her getting cut off adds up so there could be a chance that something about Brianna's college experience led to it.

I thought the assumption was that it was when Wu came out as trans to her parents. College seems like the ideal time for her to "discover" herself. Also Wu let her parents down so consistently that coming out is the only thing I could imagine that would actually make them cut her off.
 
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