Better Call Saul

  • 🔧 Site instability resolved. You can report double-posts and broken attachments. For bigger issues, use the Technical Grievances thread.
    🇵🇦 Nuestro primer dominio localizado está en español en kiwifarms.pa. Our first localized domain is on Spanish on kiwifarms.pa.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
My favourite is Saul asking Walter and Jesse if Lalo sent them because Mike just didn't outright tell him that he was dead and kept it vague all these years for no reason.
Mike despised Walt but he also didn't particularly like or respect Saul. Also why would he admit that to an untrustworthy, reckless weasel? Just disclosing that he knew Lalo was dead would basically be admitting to having been involved in it somehow.
 
Also why would he admit that to an untrustworthy, reckless weasel? Just disclosing that he knew Lalo was dead would basically be admitting to having been involved in it somehow.
Mike told Jimmy that Lalo was going to be assassinated in the S5 finale. Jimmy was determined to get an answer, so it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense as to why Mike would have kept it from Jimmy after Lalo had actually died.
 
"Oh no, all my professional dreams came true but I must self-sabotage and quit because I only feel fulfilled if I'm helping poor brown criminals avoid punishment."
Kim was a street thug in her earlier years, probably why she sympathized with the criminals. Also, it's not like the show portrays all the people Kim was helping as some poor soul who dindu nothing wrong; we had a small plotline with that guy who had to be threatened (in a way) by Saul to accept the plea deal that Kim cooked up. Also, it pretty obvious that money was not the only thing Kim was after, as she declined to work Schweikart initially. She had enough money by the end and just wanted to do what made her happy.
I don't care what anyone here says. In this house, Walter White is a hero! End of story!


Anybody watched Pluribus?
 
Mike told Jimmy that Lalo was going to be assassinated in the S5 finale. Jimmy was determined to get an answer, so it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense as to why Mike would have kept it from Jimmy after Lalo had actually died.
I'm doing a rewatch of Breaking Bad and it's insane how many problems Mike and Gus caused for themselves by refusing to give Walt or Jesse a straight answer. In season 4, when Hank is getting wise to Gus, Walt keeps warning Gus and trying to sabotage Hank's efforts, but is given no indication for whether or not they're taking these warnings seriously. Later on, Jesse takes Walt's side after Brock gets sick because Walt and Jesse still believe Gus ordered the kid who shot Combo to be killed, and at no point does Gus tell Jesse "The dealers acted on their own, I'm sorry about the boy but I had nothing to do with it" even if it was a lie. Hell, Mike would have solved a lot of issues in the bar if he'd just told Walt "Stop being paranoid, just do the job and Gus will have no reason to get rid of you" rather than beating Walt up and letting him stew in fear.

So, it's not exactly out of character for the dude, but yeah it is dumb.
 
I'm doing a rewatch of Breaking Bad and it's insane how many problems Mike and Gus caused for themselves by refusing to give Walt or Jesse a straight answer. In season 4, when Hank is getting wise to Gus, Walt keeps warning Gus and trying to sabotage Hank's efforts, but is given no indication for whether or not they're taking these warnings seriously. Later on, Jesse takes Walt's side after Brock gets sick because Walt and Jesse still believe Gus ordered the kid who shot Combo to be killed, and at no point does Gus tell Jesse "The dealers acted on their own, I'm sorry about the boy but I had nothing to do with it" even if it was a lie. Hell, Mike would have solved a lot of issues in the bar if he'd just told Walt "Stop being paranoid, just do the job and Gus will have no reason to get rid of you" rather than beating Walt up and letting him stew in fear.

So, it's not exactly out of character for the dude, but yeah it is dumb.
You have to remember that Gus fucking hated having to bring in Jesse because he was a drug addict and he already had a much better assistant for Walter (who he was almost certainly going to inevitably replace Walt with at some point later on due to his competence, loyalty and lack of strings). He actively wanted Jesse to fuck off and made very little effort to keep him in his good graces.

The second instance was just Mike hating Walt for a whole gaggle of reasons and finally just venting all the crap he has had to keep buried because Walt is simply that important to this whole operation. Its somewhat irrational and emotionally driven reasoning, but Mike and Gus are still people even if they act more logically than most.
 
Honestly a lot of Breaking Bad makes no sense if you actually dwell on it, what it had going for it was that it was pure intensity from the very start until the very end and it had some really fucking creative cliffhangers. Better than that, they realised in Breaking Bad that you can't just have Walter reset every season and be in the same place he was before as he's on a timer thanks to his cancer, so things have to escalate into bigger and bigger situations. It was a show that straight up didn't rugpull, it kept getting more and more intense and that's why it's such an enjoyable rewatch because Walter is literally cooking meth in the first episode instead of taking 3 seasons to 'break bad' into cooking it.

It's why a lot of BCS fell apart. The entire 'drive' that pushes the story along just wasn't there and without it a lot of the illusion just falls apart. Things just 'happen' but unexpectedly and without much tension. Saul drives off into the sunset at the end of Season 1 and is back to a reset at the start of Season 2 thanks to the Kim situationship that prevented any progression. I know they're different shows with different stakes but I've never seen a show so unsure of itself about where to go next and just seemingly winging it. I know the same happened with Breaking Bad, but they had an outline of what was roughly going to happen, even if it was simply "It gets bigger and better" whereas it's plainly obvious to everyone that they scrapped all of BCS's original plans after the end of Season 1.
 
It's why a lot of BCS fell apart.
Better Call Saul is character driven. When the character writing is great, like the first three seasons, the show thrives. When the characters are acting stupid to advance the plot, like the last three seasons, the show suffers. Breaking Bad is purely plot driven. When you've seen the show once you've seen everything it had to offer and there's no reason to watch it again. It's not like The Sopranos or The Shield where the characters have depth. Or having a complicated world like The Wire where you need to focus on smaller details. It's just a show for mindless escapism without much substance.
 
It's why a lot of BCS fell apart. The entire 'drive' that pushes the story along just wasn't there and without it a lot of the illusion just falls apart. Things just 'happen' but unexpectedly and without much tension. Saul drives off into the sunset at the end of Season 1 and is back to a reset at the start of Season 2 thanks to the Kim situationship that prevented any progression. I know they're different shows with different stakes but I've never seen a show so unsure of itself about where to go next and just seemingly winging it.
They've admitted in DVD commentaries that they do just wing it. Like Gus having children's toys in his house and saying his family is out, then a season later we discover that his entire drive is to destroy the cartel for killing off his boyfriend, while the wife and kids are never mentioned again after that first episode. Hector was meant to be a bigger threat but then they decided to have Gus appear in more than one episode and make him the new antagonist. Hell, Hank found the Walt Whitman book in the bathroom because they realized they'd written themselves into a corner.

With BCS, I think they backtracked because they didn't want Jimmy turning into Saul too quickly. BB originally Walt was supposed to go full Heisenberg by the end of season 1 but that got scrapped after the writer's strike and Tuco's actor asking to leave the show sooner because he didn't like playing such a violent character. And it made for a stronger show because Walt's downfall was gradual and allowed the audience to still root for him even when he became a villain protagonist instead of an anti-hero. With Jimmy, he was shown to have always been a conman but had opportunities to turn his life around, but circumstances and then his own greed and ego got the better of him.
 
Hell, Mike would have solved a lot of issues in the bar if he'd just told Walt "Stop being paranoid, just do the job and Gus will have no reason to get rid of you" rather than beating Walt up and letting him stew in fear.
Remember that a lot of went down in BB was Mike underestimating Walt because of his fundamental contempt for Walt. Remember when he thought zip ties were going to keep Walt on a radiator? Remember when he delivered a speech to Walt about what a fucking idiot he was (right before Walt shot him to death)?

Seriously, so many issues could have been avoided had someone in the show said "hey why don't we just kill this guy?" But then there wouldn't have been a show.
 
Remember when he thought zip ties were going to keep Walt on a radiator?
That was just bad writing. This happens in tons of shows where the villain ties the good guy up with flimsy ropes or cheap tape and the hero escapes easily. This constantly happened in series like Sons of Anarchy or Dexter. Where the main characters would break their chains and kill their captors in the most predictable ways. James Bond or other spy movies use this very often.

It's even worse when the prequel establishes that Mike was not only a ruthless cop. But would kill people like Werner to keep things orderly. Yet Walt an unhinged and unpredictable maniac who is a danger to everyone is tied up with plastic cuffs to a desk drawer and left unsupervised. It shows how the characters in BB and BCS are written backwards. People like Gus and Mike are written like experienced criminal veterans in BCS. And like utter morons in BB. Despite the timelines being flipped.
 
It's even worse when the prequel establishes that Mike was not only a ruthless cop. But would kill people like Werner to keep things orderly. Yet Walt an unhinged and unpredictable maniac who is a danger to everyone is tied up with plastic cuffs to a desk drawer and left unsupervised
Say what you will about plastic cuffs, but the reason why Walt didn't get shoved in a plastic drum was because he manipulated the situation so that he and Jesse couldn't be replaced. Werner had an entire crew behind him, and it's not like he was the only guy who could do that job. Walt's meth was Walt's meth And Jesse's, and a job like his goes on as long as it can.
 
Remember that a lot of went down in BB was Mike underestimating Walt because of his fundamental contempt for Walt. Remember when he thought zip ties were going to keep Walt on a radiator? Remember when he delivered a speech to Walt about what a fucking idiot he was (right before Walt shot him to death)?

Seriously, so many issues could have been avoided had someone in the show said "hey why don't we just kill this guy?" But then there wouldn't have been a show.
Contempt is one thing, but Mike took it to a stupid level. Sure, Walt threatened a man Mike's loyal to, but punching him without context did nothing to help Gus or the operation. And that's his job, keep the operation under wraps the best he can. Antagonizing Walt to do something even dumber just makes his job harder.

Also, I get not killing the guy, the brother-in-law of a DEA agent disappearing is going to get investigated. It would have made more sense to offer a buyout of his contract. Agree to not make any more blue meth, give Walt the rest of his three million, and pledge to never harm a member of Walt's family so long as he never breathes a word of his association with Gus.
 
If anything he overestimated Walt in that case. It didn't even cross his mind that he'd kill him just because he couldn't think of a good comeback.
That's always been my read on it. If he'd actually gone there with the intent of killing Mike, Mike would have picked up on it. That Walt would just suddenly degenerate into a tard rage didn't even occur to him.
 
Atrás
Top Abajo