Berkeley moves toward removing police from traffic stops - There's no way this could turn out badly

The city of Berkeley, California, moved forward Wednesday with a proposal to eliminate police from conducting traffic stops and instead use unarmed civilian city workers as part of a broad overhaul of law enforcement. The City Council also set a goal of cutting the police budget by 50%.

The council approved the plan during a nine-hour virtual meeting that ended at 3 a.m., the East Bay Times reported.

The vote calls on the city manager to convene a “community engagement process” to pursue the creation of a separate department to handle transportation projects as well as enforcement of parking and traffic.

“For far too long public safety has been equated with more police,” said Mayor Jesse Arreguin.

It's believed the plan to separate traffic from law enforcement is the first of its kind in the U.S. and it comes as many cities attempt broad public safety reforms following the death of George Floyd while in Minneapolis police custody in May.

The reform plan also seeks to remove armed officers from homeless services and mental health and crisis management, the East Bay Times said. It also establishes a community safety coalition and steering committee, and initiates an analysis of police calls and responses. Details are to be determined by the city manager and auditor.

Numerous studies have shown Black motorists are much more likely to be stopped by police than whites for minor traffic infractions and the results sometimes can be deadly.

Philando Castile, for example, was fatally shot after the 32-year-old was stopped for a broken tail light during a traffic stop in 2016 in Minnesota. Sandra Bland, 28, died in a jail cell three days after being stopped for failing to signal when changing lanes in Texas in 2015.


The Berkeley Police Department said Monday it does not comment on council legislation.

In a joint statement, the police unions for Los Angeles, San Jose and San Francisco said that reckless driving, speeding, driving while under the influence are all dangerous “traffic” enforcement violations.

“We do not believe that the public wants lax enforcement of those incidents by non-sworn individuals," the unions said. "Traffic stops are some of the most dangerous actions police officers take. What happens when the felon with an illegal gun gets pulled over by the parking police? Nothing good, we’re sure of that.”


The largely affluent and progressive San Francisco suburb of 120,000 has led the country on environmental, cultural and equity issues. Last year the council voted to replace gender-specific words in the city code with gender-neutral terms, such as “maintenance hole” for “manhole” and “workforce” for “manpower.”

Whites make up 54% of the city’s population, followed by Asians at 20%, Latinos at 11% and Blacks at 8%. Yet African-Americans accounted for half of 608 traffic stops conducted by police between mid-March and mid-June this year, according to a City Council memo. White drivers accounted for nearly a quarter of all stops.

A 2018 report by the Center for Policing Equity, a research and advocacy group based in Los Angeles, found that Black and Latino drivers were stopped at higher rates than whites by Berkeley police.

“It’s hugely significant,” said Cheryl Phillips, co-founder of the Stanford Open Policing Project at Stanford University. “It has the potential to transform what is, I think, the most common interaction with police that people have.”

Data analyses by the open policing project also found that Black and Latino motorists were searched far more often than whites, Phillips said, but the searches turned up fewer drugs, guns and other contraband. She also said it’s notable that the racial disparity in stops decline after sunset, presumably because it is harder to see the race of a driver.

In California, Black drivers were stopped by law enforcement at 2.5 times the per-capita rate of whites and searched three times as often, according to a state report issued in January by the Racial and Identity Profiling Advisory Board. Officers were nearly three times as likely to search African Americans than whites, although white suspects were more likely to yield contraband or other evidence.

 
How long does the police education in the US last? In my country it is three years. Also thanks for responding, it clarified a lot!
For the highway patrol of several states, it's a few weeks at one of their facilities.

For the cities...It depends, but they usually ship people out to an academy, but I need to check on how long.
 
Best way to stop this shit - force every legislator/government official in every city/town that defunds their police to forfeit their personal protective details immediately, and no city money authorized for private security. Start carrying.

In addition, compile a list of anyone who has supported Defund the Police/BLM or tweeted ACAB, and deny them any and all emergency services. ESPECIALLY if they have also simultaneously supported gun control.

Give them all exactly what they want.
 
How long does the police education in the US last? In my country it is three years. Also thanks for responding, it clarified a lot!
It depends entirely on the jurisdiction and agency. 3-6 months is typical. Probably exactly zero anywhere close to one year let alone three, even for the FBI. Some agencies require college, most do not.
 
For the highway patrol of several states, it's a few weeks at one of their facilities.

For the cities...It depends, but they usually ship people out to an academy, but I need to check on how long.

It depends entirely on the jurisdiction and agency. 3-6 months is typical. Probably exactly zero anywhere close to one year let alone three, even for the FBI. Some agencies require college, most do not.


Very interesting, thank you! I find it peculiar that the education for a profession as important as police officers is this short relatively speaking, but I guess there are reasons for that as well.
 
How very true. Bet these "social workers" won't even call in license plate numbers. Just tells people committing/planning to commit major crimes that even if they are pulled over by a "social worker", there is little to fear.

Added: Matter of fact, know a friend who tells people he knows, "If you are going to do something really bad, make damned sure you obey all traffic laws when getting away. Reduces the chance of being caught."
Yes, yes, yes, and dear God, yes.
 
I don't understand how defunding the police is a good idea? Could someone please explain to me why the fuck politicians want to do this? My Euro brain does not comprehend.

Defunding is also a well-known way of addressing a complaints by making it look like you did something to punish the wrongdoer: Say you have this thing that's funded by taxpayer money. It also kind of sucks, to the point where citizens start complaining about how much they're paying for this sub-par thing. Do you take a good look at why the thing so bad, and try to come up with a plan to fix it? No, of course not -- You just promise to give it less taxpayer money until it stops being so crappy. Problem solved!

The same thing happens to failing school districts, as well.
 
At first I was laughing at the fact that liberal cities and areas are going to get a massive wakeup call when it comes to criminals and what actually deters them from committing crimes.

Then I realized this will probably just speed up the blue exodus to red areas and I quickly stopped laughing...
 
Very interesting, thank you! I find it peculiar that the education for a profession as important as police officers is this short relatively speaking, but I guess there are reasons for that as well.
Well, they do an morality check, drug screening, and polygraph beforehand to shorten the process. Everything else appears to be related to physical training, marksmanship with an handgun, driving and memorizing the state and local laws.

The feds have psychology and more shit to deal with because they're detectives by trade.
 
Well, they do an morality check, drug screening, and polygraph beforehand to shorten the process. Everything else appears to be related to physical training, marksmanship with an handgun, driving and memorizing the state and local laws.

The feds have psychology and more shit to deal with because they're detectives by trade.
Worked with a guy who applied to the CHP academy.
He was rejected because he failed the personality/moral test, and he seemed rather proud of that fact.
 
I'm for this 100% any place that wants to get rid of the police should go ahead and do it pussies. Berkeley is going to be a wonderful, safe place within 2-3 years of this coming into effect.

For all the people who love Darwin, they sure seem to love getting in his way.

I for one think Cartel, California would make a fine new name for Berkley.
 
How can you fail that test, anyways?
I took one for a job, and it was mostly questions about would you commit a crime if you knew you would get away with it. And the questions were asked several times, but worded differently to trip you up.
He must have answered yes to those, not a good idea if you want a job with the CHP.
 
I don't understand how defunding the police is a good idea? Could someone please explain to me why the fuck politicians want to do this? My Euro brain does not comprehend.

After a violent felonious thug (who threatened to shoot a pregnant woman right in the womb during a home invasion) died in police custody due to a massive fentanyl overdose, everybody that hates law and order used his death as an excuse to riot.

Now they want to disband police so that joggers can commit crimes with impunity, and rape, rob and murder secure in the knowledge that no cops exist to stop them.
 
How long does the police education in the US last? In my country it is three years. Also thanks for responding, it clarified a lot!
Understand that a huge reason we have such a shit police problem in this country is because starting in the early 2000s the progressive crowd started suing to lower the bar because the only people passing these law enforcement tests were white people.
 
These people realiza that traffic stops are really really dangerous? Like deadly dangerous situations. Not only are you working out around fast moving cars but also recularly dealing with those that stypid or evil enough to drive under influence. They can and are aggressive and unpredictable. Just look at that jerk that activists burned the Wendy's over. They are bad enough but also coming across criminals that have active warrents, kids joy riding, medical emergencies, sovereign citizens and many many other issues. Many cops get alot of extra training if they do traffic enforcement regularly because it's complicated and not easy. You need know alot about cars, laws, human behavior and dangers of the road.
 
Fuck that, I want to see them dealing with Sovcits

Not knowing the law they would probably agree with those idiots and in doing so encourage them, leading them to doing something stupid like pulling a gun on somebody the next time they get pulled over because 'the last guy understood my rights and agreed with me but you're clearly oppressing me! DIE!' or something to that effect

Oh boy would I love to see the resulting prosecution for that incident and the inevitable multimillion dollar lawsuit the city gets hit with for getting the idiot killed by putting a bunch of incompetents into said situations in the first place

Sperghetti dijo:
Now I'm curious: If traffic violations aren't going to be handled by law enforcement, what happens if you are driving around with a broken tail light, a pound of meth, and a hooker in the trunk?

'Asking for a friend' right?
 
How long does the police education in the US last? In my country it is three years. Also thanks for responding, it clarified a lot!

You have asked a VERY good question.

The answer is complicated. The length of training depends on the individual organization. We have no national police as you know them. Each state has their own state police. Every county in every state has a sheriff's department or county police. Just about every city or town of any size will have a police force. Very small towns may rely on the sheriff's department for coverage. Some other very small places may have a constable. The US military has military police in each branch of the military (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines). You can have police at colleges and universities. Some cities have police under their Housing Authority. These police operate within city housing projects. Some cities have Transit Police, who patrol subways/buses/light rail and the associated stations. Airports can have their own police. Amtrak, the national railroad system, has their police. There could well be other police forces out there.

@NerdShamer - undoubtedly some police forces have bloat. Don't know if I would call a chaplain or horse-mounted patrols bloat, though. Some powerlevel - I just wish to hell the NYPD chaplain, or an NYPD chaplain, could have talked to a pal on the NYPD who ate his gun, years ago. Maybe the chaplain could have helped. Horse-mounted patrols seem to have a place in crowd control. Some coastal/river cities will have police in boats.

Added: The military often faces manpower funding cuts. But they have a very good way to get around them. Congress will provide only enough money for X number of military manpower positions in each service. Congress will provide only enough money for X number of civilian employee positions in each service. But the military has more operational needs than the combined number of military and civilians in each service can perform. The solution - contractors! Congress doesn't seem to be too constipated about providing the military money to hire contractors to perform certain functions. Military uses contractors all over the place, all over the world, including war zones. Here, depending on the situation, the city can say they reduced funding for the police force by X number of sworn (badge and gun-carrying) positions. But their operational requirements call for Y number of sworn officers. So the city can contract out patrol of certain areas to the county sheriff's department, or if the city is small enough turn over all policing to the sheriff's department. Sheriff's department is likely to hire a number of former city police officers. You could also hire individual police officers as contractors. More than one way to get around calls for defunding. Anyone who deals with Congress' budgeting shenanigans knows how to get around just about anything. Going to be the same in the big cities. You just bury the additional manpower costs in different places within the city budget.

Agree changes may need to be made in some police departments. But the vast majority of police departments do their job well. You're only hearing cries to defund police in a few shithole or near-shithole cities run by Democrats. Just watch - the first time a city councilperson. mayor, etc. who has had to give up their protective detail due to defunding the police gets robbed/mugged/raped/killed/etc., that city will find ways to put all that money, and maybe more, right back.


Added some more: If you are in a governmental organization (Federal/state/county/city) that relies on budgets passed by a legislature, one of the MOST important people you have in the organization is the guy or gal that knows how to massage budgets. You have REALLY got to know your shit backwards, forwards, upside down, and right side up to successfully massage the budget to get what you need without pissing off the legislature as a whole enough to give you a bunch of shit. You'll know how to handle the occasional angry individual legislator, since you have all sorts of contacts there, or with their staffs. etc. A good budget guy or gal is worth more than their weight in gold. These people don't seek the limelight. In fact, they do their very best work behind the scenes, quietly, in various places. I know. Have seen such people in action.


Heck, not so long ago you had to be a lawyer or an accountant to join the FBI.
 
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These idiots who think traffic stops should be handled by unarmed social workers are absolutely fucking bonkers. There are so many LivePD clips you can watch—unedited!—on youtube showing how quickly traffic stops can escalate. You stop someone for a taillight out, but it turns out they're driving illegally, they don't have insurance, they have a bunch of used needles in their console and on the floor, they don't want to be caught in a crime, they have a gun, they want to do something to get out of it immediately, etc. etc. If you're lucky, they just accept defeat in an opioid induced haze. If you're unlucky, they blast you in the head when you look away for a second. You see and hear it happen literally all the time.

The left thinks all crime is sociologically explainable when the truth they don't want to admit is that a lot of it is pathological. They don't want to work as a subcontracted technician consultant for 25 and hour. They want to sling drugs, prostitute women, rise up in gangs, shoot other people for wearing the wrong colors in the wrong place, commit property destruction, or steal. For a lot of people, that's just the preferable lifestyle. Sure, you can help a lot of people committing drug-motivated crime by putting them in rehab and serious programs instead of cycling them through a prison system, but that's because they have an actual problem—not because they're too oppressed to seek help under a white supremacist, Christian, nationalist systemically racist state.

These programs might set off with much gusto and cheering, but you'll start to see tens if not hundreds of stories of traffic stops resulting in the entirely preventable deaths of state workers. I guarantee these slavish programs leftists are cheering about will fall apart at the seams within a year of their introduction. And it's because they entirely misunderstand the dynamics of crime and criminals. Fucking idiots.
 
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