Avengers: Endgame - This is the end, beautiful friend

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Scratch This Nut dijo:
Unpopular opinion, but I think Brie Larson made a fine Captain Marvel even if I didn’t like that movie all that much. She was just working with a completely dogshit script. I don’t care about what the actress herself does, that has no effect on my opinion of the movie whatsoever.

That aside I saw Endgame today and loved every minute of it.
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I mean yeah my issue with CM so far really has been the writing and maybe some of the directing. The actress saying some dumb outside of the movie doesn't play into it.
 
Notgoodwithusernames dijo:
So here’s a dumb question that just popped into my head: How would someone like Venom be affected by the snap. Would the Gauntlet consider them one person or two
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Well Venom and Eddie (or whoever else had him at the time) are two separate living beings. Venom is a symbiote, the whole deal is that two beings work together as one. If one of them got ghosted, either Venom or Eddie would be out in the cold. Could actually be a really cool arc where they suffer separation anxiety.

I'll go back to being assmad that my favorite comic book character was pimped out to what amounted to an MCU fan film now.
 
MauLer did a 7+ hour stream picking apart Endgame. I only listened up to the 1-hour mark ('cause I don't have time for listening to a 7 hour stream) ... But also because they get so much wrong with their complaints about the movie's use of time travel and the use of the Infinity Stones. Definitely a case of overthinking it to the point where they are completely missing the mark and talking in so many circles that they are confusing each other.


The rules of time travel are pretty damn easy to follow in this movie, IMO. Since Doctor Strange, they have set up the concept of multiverses (The Strange movie literally says "multiverse" MULTIPLE TIMES over the course of it). You enter a time from the past, and it is impossible to change the future in your own timeline/multiverse. Once you try to change the events in the past in attempt to change the future, you're essentially creating a new multiverse (separate from the timeline you came from). It is seriously not hard to understand it in the movie, as the movie takes its time explaining it twice. lol.

And no, Marvel wasn't shitting on movies like Back to the Future. I mean, Marvel basically used Back to the Future II as something of an inspiration (maybe even a ripoff to some people, lol) for the second act of the film, after all. They were just mentioning all other famous time travel movies to say "guys, we're doing something a little different and making our own rules, so disregard some of the things you've seen about time travel in other movies when you watch this."

And their complaining about how "none of the heroes used any of the individual Infinity Stones." Um. All of them went into the Quantum Realm at the same time? And all of them came back at the same time? And their one goal was to simply "un-snap" the lives that vanished? Plus, the first Guardians of the Galaxy very well established that not many lifeforms are powerful enough to even hold an Infinity Stone (which is why, you know, Tony dies using the Gauntlet and why Star-Lord needed help with the Power Stone even though he was a god at the time)? Guys, are you even paying attention to the film or the films that came before it, setting all of this up? lol. Even if someone like Thor wanted to use one of the Stones, he literally had no time or chance to, as Thanos attacked the Avengers base seconds after Hulk used the Gauntlet (and the Gauntlet got buried under rubble as a result of the surprise attack).

And if the Avengers just went into the Quantum Realm to get only the Time Stone, do any of them actually have the power, knowledge, or strength to use it? Doctor Strange had to study a LOT in his own movie to understand how the damn thing worked. And I'm sure Thanos did the same as well, since he's known about the Stones for a very long time. Plus, it seems that only one person can use the Time Stone at a time, meaning that if time travel worked with the stone, then only one Avenger would be able to time travel ... Which means that only one Avenger could go up against Thanos ... Which means that the rest of the team would need the Quantum Realm anyway to join that one Avenger using the Stone to help them. lol. It makes no sense to "just use the Time Stone," for several reasons.

This is my first time listening to MauLer unscripted. Even if his videos are overly long all of the time (thus he tends to repeat himself and talk in circles), I do find myself agreeing with him a lot of the time. Him talking unscripted is pretty tough to sit through, though ...

I definitely have my nitpicks here and there about Endgame, but the stuff they were bitching about in the livestream ... Lots of things they got flat-out incorrect about the film in that one hour I listened to.
 
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This movie about fighting a 13 foot tall space monster with a magic glove has some serious problems with logic guys, first and foremost there's not AIR in space and distant planets and yet everyone can always breathe?! I hope some people were FIRED for that blunder!
 
KillThemCrackasBabies dijo:
This movie about fighting a 13 foot tall space monster with a magic glove has some serious problems with logic guys, first and foremost there's not AIR in space and distant planets and yet everyone can always breathe‽ I hope some people were FIRED for that blunder!
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I think it's more that the things they added to answer some questions just posed a bunch more. Voodoo sharks and all that.
 
Scratch This Nut dijo:
Unpopular opinion, but I think Brie Larson made a fine Captain Marvel even if I didn’t like that movie all that much. She was just working with a completely dogshit script. I don’t care about what the actress herself does, that has no effect on my opinion of the movie whatsoever.

That aside I saw Endgame today and loved every minute of it.
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Honestly, the biggest flaw in her acting ability seems to be that she's not funny. Her only experience with comedy seems to be Amy Schumer movies, and outside of that she has no natural talent for humor as her attempts at jokes come off as either tryhard, humblebrags, or weirdly passive aggressive. Which maybe could be avoided if she was written more like Captain America where any humor that does come from him stems more from his unflappable sincerity, but it seems like they want her to be more like Tony Stark.

The MCU's humor, for all it's problems with being added at the worst possible moments or being clearly focus-group approved, tends to work best when letting characters play off each other. And that can only be done when every character feels like they're fair game to be poked fun at. I just can't see anyone doing half of the shit that's happened with the big players - Tony Stark pissing himself in front of a crowd, Thor having a running gag of getting his face smeared across glass or sucker-punched by the Hulk, or even just simple moments where characters say something dumb like Gamora calling dancing "pelvic voodoo" or not getting the phrase "sticks up their asses" - with Captain Marvel.

One thing I will say about Endgame, is that I did appreciate some of the little character moments they managed to sprinkle in throughout the films. There's actually a surprising number of quiet character moments with Nebula interacting with characters I wouldn't expect.

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Finally got around to seeing it.

I'm... slightly disappointed and severely underwhelmed.

It wasn't bad per say, it just didn't feel like the culmination of 10 years and 20 something movies. It felt like a clunky TV time travel episode. There were some really really great moments, but the majority of it feels like too long and not impactful enough.

I'm still kinda shifting through my thoughts about it, but currently I think they really wanted the snap to have impact and they didn't want to do the cliche time travel reset button. However, the plot is far to messy for that. The Time Heist felt like a good idea for a recap of the saga, but really only the Stark Tower felt that way. I did enjoy seeing the Ancient again. The girl power segment was really cringey, and I was worried that they were going to have "It's Ma'am" Marvel overpower Thanos with the Gauntlet, but I wasn't upset by it.
 
So, even though my feelings on this movie are overall very positive, and I do believe that this is a very worthy sequel to Infinity War (which is really all I wanted; I was never expecting Endgame to top the near-perfection that is Infinity War), I do have some nitpicks. I've already said my grievances about Captain Marvel and how NOT including her in the movie at all would have given the characters more time to do cool things and it would have given the movie less "plot holes"/questions, but ...

I mostly really liked Professor Hulk. It worked for me. And, sorry, but that moment where he gives Ant-Man two tacos is just precious.

However, what disappointed me about Professor Hulk is that there seems to be no payoff to the character arc that began in Infinity War? Hulk isn't my favorite Avenger, so this didn't ruin the movie for me in the slightest ... But I can imagine how disappointed Hulk fans are. We needed a rematch between him and Thanos, no question. Would have been nice to have given him one little moment where he managed to deck Thanos in the face or something. The Hulk needed a moment of clear victory. Granted, he was far from useless in the movie since he was the one who snapped everyone back to life, but that's not what his character arc was. It was about Banner and Hulk coming to terms with failure. Seems that Bruce came to terms with the failure ... But not the Hulk. Wasted potential of a character arc (and a really cool moment in the final action sequence).

On the more positive side of things, though ... Here are my thoughts about another controversial character arc in the film:

Thor's arc in this movie completely works for me, and I feel even more strongly about this after seeing the film a second time.

I don't mind seeing our favorite heroes hit rock bottom. And Thor had every reason to hit that rock bottom. The funny moments with "Fat Thor" were funny ... But most importantly, the more emotional and serious moments sprinkled here and there worked even more. Chris Hemsworth sold it, in my opinion. There's something to be said about comedy and tragedy having a huge connection with each other ...

I also don't mind Thor going off with the Guardians of the Galaxy at the end of the movie. If Thor is in Volume 3, then HELL YEAH I'm seeing it. In my opinion, Thor became unsuited for the title of King once he became an Avenger. Not that he's unworthy for the throne, but he himself has actually become more of a Guardian of the Galaxy than a political leader. Thor's best suited at being ... Well ... A superhero.

This character arc also very much reminded me of Peter B. Parker's arc in Into the Spider-Verse. Granted, I would say that Spider-Verse did it better (because Spider-Verse is a rare movie that pretty much does everything better than other movies, lol), but yeah ... Thor worked for me. I really have no complaints about it.
 
KillThemCrackasBabies dijo:
This movie about fighting a 13 foot tall space monster with a magic glove has some serious problems with logic guys, first and foremost there's not AIR in space and distant planets and yet everyone can always breathe‽ I hope some people were FIRED for that blunder!
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I never though you would go "IT'S A MOVIE ABOUT SPACE WIZARDS MADE FOR CHILDREN BIGOTS!" but you did. Jesus your seething, and oh look I think I'm done with ya.
 
StarkRavingMad dijo:
So, even though my feelings on this movie are overall very positive, and I do believe that this is a very worthy sequel to Infinity War (which is really all I wanted; I was never expecting Endgame to top the near-perfection that is Infinity War), I do have some nitpicks. I've already said my grievances about Captain Marvel and how NOT including her in the movie at all would have given the characters more time to do cool things and it would have given the movie less "plot holes"/questions, but ...

I mostly really liked Professor Hulk. It worked for me. And, sorry, but that moment where he gives Ant-Man two tacos is just precious.

However, what disappointed me about Professor Hulk is that there seems to be no payoff to the character arc that began in Infinity War? Hulk isn't my favorite Avenger, so this didn't ruin the movie for me in the slightest ... But I can imagine how disappointed Hulk fans are. We needed a rematch between him and Thanos, no question. Would have been nice to have given him one little moment where he managed to deck Thanos in the face or something. The Hulk needed a moment of clear victory. Granted, he was far from useless in the movie since he was the one who snapped everyone back to life, but that's not what his character arc was. It was about Banner and Hulk coming to terms with failure. Seems that Bruce came to terms with the failure ... But not the Hulk. Wasted potential of a character arc (and a really cool moment in the final action sequence).

On the more positive side of things, though ... Here are my thoughts about another controversial character arc in the film:

Thor's arc in this movie completely works for me, and I feel even more strongly about this after seeing the film a second time.

I don't mind seeing our favorite heroes hit rock bottom. And Thor had every reason to hit that rock bottom. The funny moments with "Fat Thor" were funny ... But most importantly, the more emotional and serious moments sprinkled here and there worked even more. Chris Hemsworth sold it, in my opinion. There's something to be said about comedy and tragedy having a huge connection with each other ...

I also don't mind Thor going off with the Guardians of the Galaxy at the end of the movie. If Thor is in Volume 3, then HELL YEAH I'm seeing it. In my opinion, Thor became unsuited for the title of King once he became an Avenger. Not that he's unworthy for the throne, but he himself has actually become more of a Guardian of the Galaxy than a political leader. Thor's best suited at being ... Well ... A superhero.

This character arc also very much reminded me of Peter B. Parker's arc in Into the Spider-Verse. Granted, I would say that Spider-Verse did it better (because Spider-Verse is a rare movie that pretty much does everything better than other movies, lol), but yeah ... Thor worked for me. I really have no complaints about it.
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I think Professor Hulk was more of a merge of both Banner and Hulk. Stuff like him being embarrassed about how he used to be a rage monster or him saying “I’m wearing shirts now” made me think that. Plus, Banner’s whole deal from the beginning was “get this curse I have under control so I can live peacefully and be accepted by society”. Which is why they had the scene with the kids. They wanted to show not only how Banner is happy and at peace with himself, but that humanity isn’t scared of the Hulk anymore and even fully accepts him. We don’t get any good fights scenes with him, but I think that’s the point. He never WANTED to fight unless he had to.
 
SteelPlatedHeart dijo:
I think Professor Hulk was more of a merge of both Banner and Hulk. Stuff like him being embarrassed about how he used to be a rage monster or him saying “I’m wearing shirts now” made me think that. Plus, Banner’s whole deal from the beginning was “get this curse I have under control so I can live peacefully and be accepted by society”. Which is why they had the scene with the kids. They wanted to show not only how Banner is happy and at peace with himself, but that humanity isn’t scared of the Hulk anymore and even fully accepts him. We don’t get any good fights scenes with him, but I think that’s the point. He never WANTED to fight unless he had to.
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Professor Hulk is basically a nod to one of Hulk’s comic variations, Grey Hulk, where the premise is that he’s Hulk’s brawn and Banner’s brains, so I was okay with that. And even if it was the point, I am disappointed with the lack of any shining fight scenes with him or a rematch with Thanos as I think it still contradicted the statement that Professor Hulk was now “the best of both worlds” when he seemed to rely almost entirely on the brains. It didn’t even need to be an offensive fight to be cool either, more defense or support in the final fight would’ve been really fun too, but he just kinda disappeared.

Like I said before, I think that might have to do with the Russo’s have some sort of aversion towards the more fantastical elements of the superhero genre, hence some of their bizarre/“controversial” choices in this and Infinity War.
 
I agree with many, the Hulk was underserved in the movie. It would have been a lot more satisfying if, say, he actually Hulked out during the battle, leading to a Thanos rematch + more. He even specifically said that "most of the radiation is gamma anyway" when talking about the Iron Gauntlet which, at least to me, hinted that he would absorb the excess energy instead of just getting burned. Maybe he'd be overpowered, losing the control he'd worked for. Maybe even scream "NATASHA!!!" or something, which might have been nice (though I never bought their romance) rather than just the half-hearted acknowledgment that was in the actual movie. Still, great movie and great ass on Cap.

One Man Bland dijo:
Professor Hulk is basically a nod to one of Hulk’s comic variations, Grey Hulk, where the premise is that he’s Hulk’s brawn and Banner’s brains, so I was okay with that. ...
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nerd correction: Gray Hulk, or Mister Fixit, was actually not Banner's brains in the Hulk's body. Gray Hulk was the asshole, jerk Hulk that wasn't as strong as Green "SMASH" Hulk, but was cunning and brutish. He didn't have Banner's scientific knowledge and they changed places with the setting of the sun -- Banner got daytime and Gray Hulk got night. The movie is adapting the comics' own "Professor Hulk," which was when all of Banner's disparate personalities were merged together, resulting in a gestalt being. This Hulk would often make mockish references to his SMASH days and would sometimes wear goofy outfits.
 
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TchPiKinmup dijo:
nerd correction: Gray Hulk, or Mister Fixit, was actually not Banner's brains in the Hulk's body. Gray Hulk was the asshole, jerk Hulk that wasn't as strong as Green "SMASH" Hulk, but was cunning and brutish. He didn't have Banner's scientific knowledge and they changed places with the setting of the sun -- Banner got daytime and Gray Hulk got night. The movie is adapting the comics' own "Professor Hulk," which was when all of Banner's disparate personalities were merged together, resulting in a gestalt being. This Hulk would often make mockish references to his SMASH days and would sometimes wear goofy outfits.
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My mistake then, thank you.
 
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