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Avengers: Endgame - This is the end, beautiful friend
Whoever was in charge of making Chris Evans look old needs a fucking raise. This was the first time I've ever seen someone aged up with makeup or CGI where it was actually completely convincing. I legitimately thought they grabbed an old guy that just kinda looked like Chris Evans to do the scene where he passes on the shield but apparently it really is him.
I really don't think it's that cringey of a moment.
In a way, I think it's quite hilarious, because both times I have seen the movie, nobody reacted to Captain Marvel. At all. But when a bunch of the OTHER women of the MCU joined in? The audiences loved it and applauded. It's as if people care more about GOOD characters than they do WAMEN characters.
On another topic, since I've seen it twice now ...
I know that killing off the "2018 Thanos" right at the very beginning of the movie is a point of controversy ... Especially since the Thanos we see in the grand finale is the 2014 Thanos (meaning that this Thanos did not go through things like the sacrifice of Gamora, or the victory in Infinity War). I get it; I get why it turns off some audiences.
HOWEVER, for me, I really like how this 2014 Thanos acted in the movie ... Because I believe that this is what the 2018 Thanos would have done if put into the same predicament. There were plenty of people who had worn "Thanos Was Right" t-shirts and posted #ThanosWasRight hashtags all over social media over the past year, showcasing their dumbassery. To me, 2014 Thanos' goal proves that he was NEVER a good guy, nor was he ever "right."
Thanos is the Mad Titan, not some tragic martyr. He is a death obsessed psychopath with a god complex ... And yes, that includes the Thanos we saw in Infinity War. He views himself as a god, who wants to be both feared and respected (Iron Man 1 callback-- very intentional callback, I might add). Before Loki dies in Infinity War, he specifically says "You will never be a god."
2014 Thanos wanting to wipe out ALL life in the universe and starting over just proves that he has always cared more about the "god" status. He sees what the Avengers are doing in response to what 2018 Thanos "gave them" and is spiteful about it because he expected everyone to be THANKFUL for what he did ... Because he views himself as a god.
Basically, the events of Endgame pretty much reaffirmed my "character analysis" of Thanos after I saw Infinity War, and I'm very pleased. They certainly gave the man more depth than the comics did ... But at the same time, this adaptation feels very respectful and true to the comics, too. I love it.
Thanos only wanted to wipe out the entire universe after he realized people will always try to fight against his goal. He specifically said that as long as people remember what he did, he will always have to fight them. And I don't think he wanted to be a god or remembered for what he did, he retired to a garden to be left alone. But his plan is stupid anyway, he thought it would be a good idea to destroy the stones, not thinking that planets with more tech are able to reproduce faster because less of them die. Earth's population got to seven billion pretty fast once medical technology advanced enough, it would happen again in a hundred years, which about when Thanos would have to wipe out half of all life yet again. So he didn't think things through.
Earth's population got to seven billion pretty fast once medical technology advanced enough, it would happen again in a hundred years, which about when Thanos would have to wipe out half of all life yet again. So he didn't think things through.
Thanos talked pretty heavily about the universe being grateful and accepting “what could be”. He probably intended civilization to learn from his actions and continue his idea (either by limiting birthrates or culling populations) once they saw how much better things got. I could see him thinking “I’ve shown them the way, so I did my part.” He’s still wrong, of course, but that’s why he’s the villain.
HOWEVER, for me, I really like how this 2014 Thanos acted in the movie ... Because I believe that this is what the 2018 Thanos would have done if put into the same predicament. There were plenty of people who had worn "Thanos Was Right" t-shirts and posted #ThanosWasRight hashtags all over social media over the past year, showcasing their dumbassery. To me, 2014 Thanos' goal proves that he was NEVER a good guy, nor was he ever "right."
I looked at it as Thanos’ shot at redemption, and he simply couldn’t control his hubris and failed it. He saw his own death, his daughter’s betrayal, and the grief and anger his work would cause, and instead of admitting he was wrong because the universe can’t accept what he did, he just doubles down. He seemed like he might have realized it too in his final moments before dusting off.
It's really stupid that they change everything about all the other villains but Thanos HAS to do the snap exactly like the comics. He could've lowered birth rates too, and this would've played into the "Tony has a kid" plot point by making it more of a miracle. It's so easy to do, the throwaway line about earthquakes could've been about birth rates instead.
It's not plot-breaking or anything but they've got 5.5 hours to tell a story, you might as well make sure the epic villain of 20+ movies has a plan that holds up to internet sperg logic.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, except for this. I even agree that she came out of nowhere, and it's not clear how she knew the battle was even happening when last we heard she was going to be in space for a while. But I'm not sure why anyone on the field would care how or why she got there when they're in the middle of all out war and focused on keeping the gauntlet away from Thanos. She shows up, blowing up the Thanos' main ship, so she's clearly on their side. Beyond that, questions can be asked later. The real problem is that they aren't, or at the very least, it isn't shown.
If there is one character who was poorly used it was Doctor Strange. Having him dealing with the flooding issue and just holding it for a while seemed designed to keep him out of the fight and away from Thanos. Maybe because without the power and reality stones DS might have actually been able to restrain him, but it felt like a cop out to sideline him like that. Hell, couldn't he have just used the slingring to teleport to the van?
What's funny is that another oddity about CM's inclusion is that I can't help but notice that she kinda breaks a rule in film that she is the only character whose name is never once spoken. Even though this is the 4th avengers film, any character that had any dialogue had their name said or shown at least once, but then the most CM gets is "new girl." Almost like she was a last minute addition or her role was intended for one of the other characters.
The sad thing is, with a little tweaking that could easily been made a Marvel-tier joke: In the final when she shows up to blow up Thanos' ship, have Rocket or someone recently un-snapped go "Yeah! Way to go... shit what's her name again?" But like I said before, CM feels weirdly limited in what kind of comedy she's permitted to do, which seems to be either because Larson's just plain not funny (if you've ever seen her try and joke off-set, it's painful), Feige won't let his waifu be the butt of any jokes, or some combination of the two.
I think Cheese Larsen's appearance in the teaser basically summarized CM's involvement in the entire film: There for the sake of being there, with only two modes: lifeless and cunty.
I think she's unironically widely liked, and not because muh woman avenger for the most part. She's remained popular as more chicks were added to the roster, and her characterization has improved with time.
Ofc I might be biased because I'm a comicsfag and know and love the shit out of her backstory and all that. I still hope we get a prequel movie just because her whole backstory is the dankest shit.
tbf IDK how many people here have read the CM comics, but her portrayal in the MCU is extremely faithful to comic canon. Much more so than I expected, actually. Possibly more so than it should have been. She's pretty no-nonsense in the comics, so I suspect the whole stoic affect is intentional. I also think that Brie of the Larson family did not execute it as well as she could have. You can make stoic badass charismatic, but the way she played it was just sort of... flat. Which is weird, because she's actually been good in other things so she's not just generally talentless.
So here’s a dumb question that just popped into my head: How would someone like Venom be affected by the snap. Would the Gauntlet consider them one person or two
So here’s a dumb question that just popped into my head: How would someone like Venom be affected by the snap. Would the Gauntlet consider them one person or two
Thanos only wanted to wipe out the entire universe after he realized people will always try to fight against his goal. He specifically said that as long as people remember what he did, he will always have to fight them. And I don't think he wanted to be a god or remembered for what he did, he retired to a garden to be left alone. But his plan is stupid anyway, he thought it would be a good idea to destroy the stones, not thinking that planets with more tech are able to reproduce faster because less of them die. Earth's population got to seven billion pretty fast once medical technology advanced enough, it would happen again in a hundred years, which about when Thanos would have to wipe out half of all life yet again. So he didn't think things through.
Based on some of the things he said in both Infinity War and Endgame, he expected and demanded respect. He talked about his retirement plan, resting after helping out a "grateful universe." The Bible talks about how even God rested on the seventh day. And then, when the Avengers are fighting 2014 Thanos, he once again used the word "grateful" when describing his next plan. To me, that came across as "You don't appreciate what I did? Fine. I will punish you even more this time."
2014 Thanos even watched footage of 2018 Thanos, understanding that his future self had won, and he literally said "That is destiny fulfilled." And in Infinity War, before killing Gamora, he talks about how he "ignored his destiny once."
Thanos believes that he is some kind of chosen one who has this grand destiny of controlling the universe. If that doesn't come across as someone trying to play god, I don't know what does.
Based on some of the things he said in both Infinity War and Endgame, he expected and demanded respect. He talked about his retirement plan, resting after helping out a "grateful universe." The Bible talks about how even God rested on the seventh day. And then, when the Avengers are fighting 2014 Thanos, he once again used the word "grateful" when describing his next plan. To me, that came across as "You don't appreciate what I did? Fine. I will punish you even more this time."
2014 Thanos even watched footage of 2018 Thanos, understanding that his future self had won, and he literally said "That is destiny fulfilled." And in Infinity War, before killing Gamora, he talks about how he "ignored his destiny once."
Thanos believes that he is some kind of chosen one who has this grand destiny of controlling the universe. If that doesn't come across as someone trying to play god, I don't know what does.
Captain Marvel's scenes were completely unearned. I'm also a bit salty that Cap Marvel got the big Stan Lee tribute, but w/e.
Do the films ever approach Valkyrie being a piece of shit selling people into slavery, only turning on her paymaster when a better offer comes along? No she's a bit sad because her girlfriend died, all is well.
I enjoyed the film though. See a lot of steam and momentum being lost after this however. None of the new guys have the sort of charisma that'll keep people invested, IMO.
Captain Marvel's scenes were completely unearned. I'm also a bit salty that Cap Marvel got the big Stan Lee tribute, but w/e.
Do the films ever approach Valkyrie being a piece of shit selling people into slavery, only turning on her paymaster when a better offer comes along? No she's a bit sad because her girlfriend died, all is well.
I enjoyed the film though. See a lot of steam and momentum being lost after this however. None of the new guys have the sort of charisma that'll keep people invested, IMO.
I'm thinking along the lines of not everyone or everything in the universe would know who or why half their populations just suddenly disappeared. It doesn't look like Thanos went around to every single planet and said he did it, he went straight to the garden.
Instead of Captain Menopause destroying Thanos's ship in one go, I thought Doctor Strange would've used the giant element tornado to fuck it up. Using the very force of nature itself to destroy the Mad Titan's ship. I think it would've been a lot cooler for him to get that claim.
Instead of Captain Menopause destroying Thanos's ship in one go, I thought Doctor Strange would've used the giant element tornado to fuck it up. Using the very force of nature itself to destroy the Mad Titan's ship. I think it would've been a lot cooler for him to get that claim.
Instead of Captain Menopause destroying Thanos's ship in one go, I thought Doctor Strange would've used the giant element tornado to fuck it up. Using the very force of nature itself to destroy the Mad Titan's ship. I think it would've been a lot cooler for him to get that claim.
I also think it would have been awesome if Tony had figured out a way to get back to Earth at the beginning of the movie. It would have been an amazing callback to Iron Man 1, when he was in captivity then. I bet that was the intention before the Russos were forced to place Captain Marvel in the film.
Captain Shoehorn doesn't ruin the movie at all for me, but there are moments sprinkled out here and there that would have been vastly improved without her there, no question. Now, I love Endgame, but I know that I love Infinity War more partly because we got to see the characters we know and love in some shining moments, uninterrupted.
I thought that the Doctor Strange movie was good, but not amazing. However, it was Infinity War that made me go, "GIVE ME ANOTHER DOCTOR STRANGE MOVIE NOW!" Dude turned a black hole into butterflies! Freakin' amazing!
Yeah, amazing, except he could of just jinxed a pinecone up Thanos's pooper and popped the glove off like the head fag at a fistfuck! Guy controls vast cosmic forces and he CAN'T penetrate a mortal being's butthole? Not buying it for a second.
The girl power scene in a vacuum is completely inoffensive and actually kinda cool but when I was watching it I could only think about the inevitable tumblr idiots jerking each other off about how great a stride it is for female representation or w/e.
I'm not really looking forward to more from any of the current MCU characters except spider-man, but whatever they do to roll in the fox acquisitions will be interesting to see.
I really hope they can make captain marvel a more interesting character in her sequels, they managed to do it for thor so really who knows.
Maybe they could introduce the fantastic 4 with galactus smacking CM around some, that'd be a chuckle.
Unpopular opinion, but I think Brie Larson made a fine Captain Marvel even if I didn’t like that movie all that much. She was just working with a completely dogshit script. I don’t care about what the actress herself does, that has no effect on my opinion of the movie whatsoever.
That aside I saw Endgame today and loved every minute of it.
