Avengers: Endgame - This is the end, beautiful friend

[TenMilesWide]

Believe it or not I actually have no idea what this scene everyone's talking about is. I straight-up didn't notice any scenes where all the female heroes fight together, or at least not where that was emphasized/it was only women. I might be completely exceptional but I think I was focusing on the action during all the fight scenes and straight-up missed any feminist posturing. Where was it? In the big end fight scene somewhere?

Yeah when marvel comes to take the gauntlet from spider-man all of the women on the battlefield form up around her and charge for ant man's van.

FWIW I definitely don't think any of her scenes were cut last minute or anything, least of all because the higher ups "realized people don't like her" or any shit like that. I think the writers realized
a: it's not her movie, and
b: she's an all-powerful god that kinda ruins the tension if she's there
and decided to keep her role minor.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Believe it or not I actually have no idea what this scene everyone's talking about is. I straight-up didn't notice any scenes where all the female heroes fight together, or at least not where that was emphasized/it was only women. I might be completely exceptional but I think I was focusing on the action during all the fight scenes and straight-up missed any feminist posturing. Where was it? In the big end fight scene somewhere?

Click it quickly, it'll go down any minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp75nxscuCM

 

[LU 010]

Yeah when marvel comes to take the gauntlet from spider-man all of the women on the battlefield form up around her and charge for ant man's van.

FWIW I definitely don't think any of her scenes were cut last minute or anything, least of all because the higher ups "realized people don't like her" or any shit like that. I think the writers realized
a: it's not her movie, and
b: she's an all-powerful god that kinda ruins the tension if she's there
and decided to keep her role minor.

Click it quickly, it'll go down any minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp75nxscuCM

Legit, thank you guys. I've been going nuts trying to remember any scene that fit this description. I full-on did not notice this was an all-woman shot.

Fuck that fight scene was awesome. I gotta see this movie again the action was baller as FUCK.

 

[TenMilesWide]

Legit, thank you guys. I've been going nuts trying to remember any scene that fit this description. I full-on did not notice this was an all-woman shot.

Fuck that fight scene was awesome. I gotta see this movie again the action was baller as FUCK.

The absolute level of fanservice in this movie is really just amazing. Especially the Cap Mjolnir payoff.

ETA: It's not exactly all women, peter is still there.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

The absolute level of fanservice in this movie is really just amazing. Especially the Cap Mjolnir payoff.

That underhanded swing that has lightning dogging through the ground as it blasts toward thanos was great. That whole film series was building up to that and it was awesome.

 

[LU 010]

The absolute level of fanservice in this movie is really just amazing. Especially the Cap Mjolnir payoff.

ETA: It's not exactly all women, peter is still there.

I lost my god-damn mind at that. I was wishing I could pause and rewind and watch it again. There were so many spectacular, satisfying moments for fans in this film. What a great movie, honestly.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Granted, I don't really care about the MCU compared to 616 but it does amuse me that people are already demanding Riri. I think that would be a horrible road to go down unless they scrap basically everything about her. Why even bother with a hypothetical "Iron Man 4" instead of using any of the other countless characters they haven't got around to?

 

[TenMilesWide]

Granted, I don't really care about the MCU compared to 616 but it does amuse me that people are already demanding Riri. I think that would be a horrible road to go down unless they scrap basically everything about her. Why even bother with a hypothetical "Iron Man 4" instead of using any of the other countless characters they haven't got around to?

Because the people demanding it don't know those characters they haven't gotten around to, and those characters probably aren't woke anyway.

 

[howyadoin]

I didn’t mind that all female heroes fight together scene at all. It was nice to see Marvel acknowledge they had strong female characters before Captain Marvel showed up.

My reply got deleted but I'm going to say it again: my gripe with the scene was that it's all the female Marvel superheroes accompanying Captain Marvel, pushing the notion that it's Captain Marvel who shall represent all the female superheroes. Then again, this feeling could be the result of following Comicsgate. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be so bothered if they protected Peter instead.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I'm still really upset about

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Widow. She is my favorite character. They ruined it.

I know the prequel film is coming but it feels like a slap in the face.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I'm still really upset about

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Widow. She is my favorite character. They ruined it.

I know the prequel film is coming but it feels like a slap in the face.

Seriously. When they

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emphasized "She's gone! She's not coming back!" that she would, obviously, waltz on back at the end with the rest of them. Her staying dead came as a big surprise to me.

 

[Slimy Time]

Looks like my thoughts about the film disappeared when the site went down. Watched it yesterday, found it enjoyable with tonnes of fanservice and callbacks to the previous films. There were a few "woke" moments that stood out to me, noticeably the therapy session involving a gay man go on a date, the all women team up behind Captain Marvel (was fun to watch) and generally any time Captain Marvel showed up for the brief moments she did (I didn't see her film, didn't find her endearing or charming or anything of the sort for the 15 mins she was there, did not convince me to go watch her film).

The film was a great send off for the original Avengers cast, especially Iron Man, Cap and Widow. Those characters are gone. Hawkeye is pretty much retired, Thor will be in space, and Hulk remains, as far as I am concerned, the Avengers are done. Passing of the shield to Sam was nice, he's a good character and iirc, had good chemistry with Bucky, a film with the two of them should be ok.

Only concern is the future of the MCU. Seems like they might be entering into the "woke" phase, like the comics decided to do years ago. Apparently they are looking to put some gay superheroes in Phase 4, so that will be full of wokeness. Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3 is probablly the only one I am looking forward to, but otherwise the MCU is finished with this film and it's massive 10+ year payoff.

 

[Superman93]

I know a lot of Anti-SJWfags are complaining about the "woke" moments and there were but idgaf this movie was good. Everything in this was fantastic.

 

[Next Task]

I loved it. It gave me pretty much the sendoff I wanted, while also a number of things I didn't realise I wanted until they turned up. And yes, it's a deep-dive love letter to the fans who have been along since the first Iron Man.

Spoiler: More speculative/spoiler stuff

I do wonder what effects it will have on the broader MCU. Agents of SHIELD is still going, and if they revive the Netflix shows on Disney+, how will they deal with the five year gap and half the universe disappearing? Anything set in the MCU not only has to deal with things like the Attack on New York, but the potential of five years of despair on Earth. The therapy scene near the beginning also just made me wonder about everyone who might have killed themselves in the ensuing five years because of their loss, and how none of them were coming back either.

I also wasn't sure of the effects on the snapped-out people. From what I could gather from Peter in his brief catch-up with Tony, they remember being clicked out of existence and then they're suddenly back again, presumably exactly where they were when it happened. Does this just mean all the characters who stuck around are five years older than the ones who vanished? Ant-Man is a special case, but that seemed to be the suggestion. Which is surely going to, say, fuck up the dynamics of Peter's high school if some of the kids are now older than the rest.

I know they won't get into it and will probably hand-wave it, but I did wonder. Also I wondered about how Cap having a life with Peggy affected the main timeline, let alone her TV show (we saw both her and Jarvis! Not many people watched it, but I really liked the Agent Carter show) or the future with his knowledge of it. I did love the idea that Cap got his happy ending, but it raised all sorts of questions that the film in no way was going to answer.
The Loki crazies should also be happy, because it appears in the film that he manages to escape with the Tesseract at one point and so there's another Loki running around, but again, that seems to fuck with the timeline a great deal, even if it is an excuse to bring him back into the MCU alive.

Other than that, though, I got things I didn't know I wanted to see, like more Tilda Swinton and Rene Russo, more of Thor's rock-guy friend, Cap saying 'Hail Hydra', Nat and Hawkeye's fight, the growth of Nebula - who wasn't even meant to survive the first GotG, and so on. And Tony's funeral, where we saw all these family units that the individual franchises have spawned and we'll still get a chance to follow, even as we said farewell to the character who started the entire thing and made this conclusion possible. They made the deaths feel meaningful and the heroes feel heroic.

Basically, I've been a fan since the start, think they've made a few missteps and had flaws but not had a truly bad MCU film, and to me this was a really solid, satisfying film. To me, they didn't whiff it.

But an obligatory Fuck Off to the people like Basic Becky Gerber and others who are already REEEEEEing about fat-shaming and PTSD-shaming and all that stuff. Yes, the anti-SJW people are annoying, but the ones who are immediately attacking the film for woke points are worse. Though given she already attacked the film for being so long that she would likely have to go to the bathroom at some point, making the film ableist ... just, yeah, it's best to ignore the assholes who are being cunts about it and enjoy it.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Looks like my thoughts about the film disappeared when the site went down. Watched it yesterday, found it enjoyable with tonnes of fanservice and callbacks to the previous films. There were a few "woke" moments that stood out to me, noticeably the therapy session involving a gay man go on a date, the all women team up behind Captain Marvel (was fun to watch) and generally any time Captain Marvel showed up for the brief moments she did (I didn't see her film, didn't find her endearing or charming or anything of the sort for the 15 mins she was there, did not convince me to go watch her film).

The film was a great send off for the original Avengers cast, especially Iron Man, Cap and Widow. Those characters are gone. Hawkeye is pretty much retired, Thor will be in space, and Hulk remains, as far as I am concerned, the Avengers are done. Passing of the shield to Sam was nice, he's a good character and iirc, had good chemistry with Bucky, a film with the two of them should be ok.

Only concern is the future of the MCU. Seems like they might be entering into the "woke" phase, like the comics decided to do years ago. Apparently they are looking to put some gay superheroes in Phase 4, so that will be full of wokeness. Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3 is probablly the only one I am looking forward to, but otherwise the MCU is finished with this film and it's massive 10+ year payoff.

Entering it? They've been woke for quiet some time.

 

[Slimy Time]

Entering it? They've been woke for quiet some time.

They are going to crank that dial up to 11 after this.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Seriously. When they

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emphasized "She's gone! She's not coming back!" that she would, obviously, waltz on back at the end with the rest of them. Her staying dead came as a big surprise to me.

It would kinda heavily diminish the whole point of getting the Soul Stone if you could just snap them back into existence after the fact. Like we got a Gamora back, but not the one that died. It’s not even one who knows the Guardians at all.

 

[One Man Bland]

FWIW I definitely don't think any of her scenes were cut last minute or anything, least of all because the higher ups "realized people don't like her" or any shit like that. I think the writers realized
a: it's not her movie, and
b: she's an all-powerful god that kinda ruins the tension if she's there
and decided to keep her role minor.

If anything Captain Marvel's presence feels more like the result of being a rather late addition to either the 3rd or 4th draft of the script when the plot's been pretty much cemented. Pretty much every scene she had seemed like it was only included to give her something to say/does only happens just for the sake of having her say/do something, because otherwise her dialogue adds nothing to any of the scenes and her actions could've been done by any of the other power-houses on the roster.

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The scene very early on in the film with Captain Marvel feel like the clearest signs of this. In one scene sher says she'd going to go find the location of Thanos because she has insider sources who might know where he is (lol wut) only to be interrupted by Nebula in the midst of this plan just straight up telling them Thanos' location. Take out that segment or replace her with Thor and the whole scene works just the same, if not better. Another part of that portion of the film was when Tony and Captain are arguing about the events of Cival War and they kept cutting to CM more than other character - like 2 or 3 times. I kept thinking "Why the fuck are you cutting to her? She wasn't around for Civil War, she has no horse to back in this race, probably doesn't even know what they're even talking about." and then I realized it was because otherwise she would've been standing the background the whole time doing nothing but fill space.

Then of course there's the alien skype call scene where CM's reason for not being there is straight up "I have better things to do," and in my theater Rocket calling her out on that was the only laugh involving CM that she received - which evaporated the second she tried to snark back. Which in hindsight that whole scene makes it funnier when Cap says they need everybody for their last ditch effort to stop Thanos and CM is mysteriously absent and goes completely un-mentioned. It makes it seem like even in-universe the other characters sense that she'd be a total cunt the whole way through and decided to just not invite her.

Although I will say another part of it seems like the Russos just don't like most of the super-powered aspects of the superhero genre when you look at the other power-houses like Thor and Hulk. Not only are they somewhat nerfed, but their missions to get the stones from the previous movies are pretty much the only ones that don't involve any sort of action. Thor's make sense because it's more about him seeing his mother one last time, but Hulk's doesn't even require him to be Hulk so it's confusing as to why they decided that he "combined the brawn and the brain" when he's only going to use the brain portion. I think that's the reason why the Russos have distinctly stuck with Cap and the more "grounded" foes up until Infinity War.

Although all of this also made me realize why CM as a character just doesn't work: she's by the far the most limited of the entire cast. She doesn't have the charm to be an effective & charming snarker like Tony or Rocket, she's not good enough of a person to be a noble paragon everyone looks up to like Cap, she can't be troubled about her past like Gamora or Black Widow or Scarlet Witch's because amnesia absolved her of all responsibility, and no one's ever going to have the balls to do with her what they do to Thor in Endgame. There's literally no point to her.

 

[MI 814]

So what's the idea, then? They backtrack and quietly drop plans for CM sequels and her position in future team up movies, or push forward "knowing everyone hates her!" and just seeing how much they can lose before cutting the cord?

Look we all saw the same movie; they don't put that scene in (we know the one) going "Look at all the strong women!" knowing "all the fans hate this shit!". They don't slap Larson in the middle of it agreeing that her involvement was a failure. Only a complete exceptional individual sits there and looks at how she was portrayed in the movie (i.e. really, really fucking strong) and still actually think they secretly agreed with them. For only being in it for 15 minutes, Nat gets 33 and the entire thing was supposed to be celebrating her and sending her off with a bang.

For all of your flippant remarks about this I genuinely can't understand how anyone can possibly be so fucking stupid as to think a bunch of fucking YouTubers not only held considerably sway with studio executives, but actually won out. What kind of mongoloid do you have to be to really believe that?

You are getting really sad now and I was the one who "yelled at my father" that I didn't want to watch it. Get over it man.

 

[AnAspieWithAVengeance]

I loved it. It gave me pretty much the sendoff I wanted, while also a number of things I didn't realise I wanted until they turned up. And yes, it's a deep-dive love letter to the fans who have been along since the first Iron Man.

Spoiler: More speculative/spoiler stuff

I do wonder what effects it will have on the broader MCU. Agents of SHIELD is still going, and if they revive the Netflix shows on Disney+, how will they deal with the five year gap and half the universe disappearing? Anything set in the MCU not only has to deal with things like the Attack on New York, but the potential of five years of despair on Earth. The therapy scene near the beginning also just made me wonder about everyone who might have killed themselves in the ensuing five years because of their loss, and how none of them were coming back either.

I also wasn't sure of the effects on the snapped-out people. From what I could gather from Peter in his brief catch-up with Tony, they remember being clicked out of existence and then they're suddenly back again, presumably exactly where they were when it happened. Does this just mean all the characters who stuck around are five years older than the ones who vanished? Ant-Man is a special case, but that seemed to be the suggestion. Which is surely going to, say, fuck up the dynamics of Peter's high school if some of the kids are now older than the rest.

I know they won't get into it and will probably hand-wave it, but I did wonder. Also I wondered about how Cap having a life with Peggy affected the main timeline, let alone her TV show (we saw both her and Jarvis! Not many people watched it, but I really liked the Agent Carter show) or the future with his knowledge of it. I did love the idea that Cap got his happy ending, but it raised all sorts of questions that the film in no way was going to answer.
The Loki crazies should also be happy, because it appears in the film that he manages to escape with the Tesseract at one point and so there's another Loki running around, but again, that seems to fuck with the timeline a great deal, even if it is an excuse to bring him back into the MCU alive.

Other than that, though, I got things I didn't know I wanted to see, like more Tilda Swinton and Rene Russo, more of Thor's rock-guy friend, Cap saying 'Hail Hydra', Nat and Hawkeye's fight, the growth of Nebula - who wasn't even meant to survive the first GotG, and so on. And Tony's funeral, where we saw all these family units that the individual franchises have spawned and we'll still get a chance to follow, even as we said farewell to the character who started the entire thing and made this conclusion possible. They made the deaths feel meaningful and the heroes feel heroic.

Basically, I've been a fan since the start, think they've made a few missteps and had flaws but not had a truly bad MCU film, and to me this was a really solid, satisfying film. To me, they didn't whiff it.

But an obligatory Fuck Off to the people like Basic Becky Gerber and others who are already REEEEEEing about fat-shaming and PTSD-shaming and all that stuff. Yes, the anti-SJW people are annoying, but the ones who are immediately attacking the film for woke points are worse. Though given she already attacked the film for being so long that she would likely have to go to the bathroom at some point, making the film ableist ... just, yeah, it's best to ignore the assholes who are being cunts about it and enjoy it.

Fiege doesn't give a fuck about the TV shows anymore.