Art is NOT Subjective!!!!!! - If so, nothing is

[*Moonbaer*]

I would call this objectively autistic.

You fapped to this. Admit it you Gorl Talk Nigger

 

[Beelzebub's Lawyer]

It is and it isn't.
Different things appeal to different people.
Sure, there are technical aspects to making art but if that's what art was about, JJ Abrams would be the greatest filmmaker ever because on a technical level, his movies are great, yet they're forgettable and what I would call mediocre.
That's what technical proficiency can get you, mediocrity or maybe slightly above that.
What you need for art to become exceptional is creativity and soul, the latter of which is especially subjective. It's hard to even explain what soul in art is exactly.
Sometimes, the faults and shortcomings can give the art that special something that you won't get anywhere else.
There are artists who learned how to use their own flaws to their advantage to create something that, if it was not bound by those flaws, would not be as good.

For example, listen to autotune music.
It sounds clean and polished but that actually makes it worse than if it was rough.
One of my favorite bands is The Hives and they have what I would consider a candidate for the worst vocalist of all time in purely technical terms.
Yet, he is amazing at what he does.

And I bet half the people who visit this thread will hate this song but that's the thing with art, what is good varies from person to person.

It's really fucking difficult to discuss art, I could write a book about it.
I have a ton to say about this topic.

Outsider Art is always the excaption

It used to be caption but it isn't anymore.

"Who Killed Captain Alex?" and the other Wakaliwood films come to mind. There's technical and aesthetic skill in terms of film making techniques used, however the extreme limitations imposed on its makers led to the end product looking very rough and ready on the surface.

But is this art liked for the intended reasons or does it crossover to ironic enjoyment?

I'd like to think that if the Wakaliwood guys were given anything they wanted, it'd just be a couple of 4K cameras, a brand new MacBook Pro and a whole bunch of portable hard drives so they don't need to delete all the original footage once they've made the final edited version.

I think that, if they had $100 million to make their movies, they would not be as entertaining.
It's like if you would take Tommy Wiseau's The Room and you got good actors and crew to make it, it would be just a bad drama but with the horrible production values and Tommy's insanely bad acting, it's unforgettable and it became a big hit.

 

[Pee Cola]

But is this art liked for the intended reasons or does it crossover to ironic enjoyment?

I think it's up to the individual.

I unironically enjoyed "Who Killed Captain Alex?" as it was made by people who genuinely love cinema and film making. Granted, there might be some people who are ironic enjoyers of Wakaliwood stuff. I mean I enjoy Derek Savage's stuff ironically because it has zero redeeming features but Derek himself is a complete fruitcake, which makes stuff like "Cool Cat Saves The Kids" unintentionally hilarious.

 

[i440BX]

I think objects stop being art when they are:
*kitsch - overproduced imitated low quality slop
*pretentious post-modern art - they claim it shows feelings but the aesthetics don't exist (I mean stuff like banana taped on the wall)

 

[Beelzebub's Lawyer]

I enjoy Derek Savage's stuff ironically because it has zero redeeming features but Derek himself is a complete fruitcake, which makes stuff like "Cool Cat Saves The Kids" unintentionally hilarious.

Cool Cat Saves The Kids is a lot like The Room in the sense that the author's retardation works in favor of the entertainment value.
When he consciously tries to be "in on the joke", it doesn't work and that's why the Cool cat sequels (or anything Wiseau tried to do that's intentionally funny) are trash.
At least with the Wakaliwood movies, they seem to be genuinely in on the joke and it works in their favor.

 

[Tablet County]

*pretentious post-modern art - they claim it shows feelings but the aesthetics don't exist (I mean stuff like banana taped on the wall)

I dunno, maybe I've been hypnotized by dadaists, but I always took the banana to be some kind of meta-commentary on the ludicrousness of "modern art" and how up its own ass the art world is. Kind of like that one artist who canned his own feces with the expectation that retarded art-worshippers would turn his own canned shit into an overpriced icon.
And hell, Beauchamp gets a lot of shit for how ugly Dada was, but that was the point. WWI killed an entire generation of young men in France, and the dadaists believed that a species that produced such hideousness deserved hideous art.

 

[Fishnumm]

the room is the greatest film ever made

ur a dumbass if you don't agree with me

 

[Pomniman]

Le Morte d'Autist (2026)

 

[skykiii]

He was so fucking insufferable he killed himself by taking too many barbiturates and slitting his wrists. He wasn't even man enough to blow his brains out with a firearm.

This is the weirdest flex of "manliness" I've heard yet.

Isn't slitting your wrists and bleeding out slowly actually more horrific than blowing your brains out? Because bullet to the brain is instant death, whereas the slow way means you're feeling it slowly as you lose consciousness and the world goes blurry.

 

[RacistComputer79]

Art is not Subjective

Politisperg:
You don't understand the purpouse of the argument OP. They are trying to kick you and bully you out of the arts field.

"All art is political" and "Art is subjective" is just a smokescreen for "All things MUST be remade in MY political image and state power exists to silence everyone who disagrees!".
Repeating in your face that beauty is subjective is an attempt to gaslight you, truth doesn't matter to a leftist, if enough people repeat the same thing then it becomes true. You must cover your own lying eyes and trust what the narrative says, everything made by someone with a "good political opinion" is art, everything made by someone with a "dangerous alt right" opinion must be censored and it's labeled as shitty art.

The final result is them attempting to gaslight you once again and say "Why can't conservatives make art?", after they have kicked anything they deem as conservative from the art industry.
You are not arguing against someone who wants to argue logically OP, you are arguing against a movement of people who wants to "nudge you in the correct direction" and manipulate your opinion. I don't care what argument you reply to this comment with, because I can just yell "dangerous alt right extremist" at your argument and double down until i force people to support my argument.

That's when I gave up on arguing with these people. Nowdays I know it's pointless to argue and I just stick to my own friend group.

 

[cleanerfromvenus]

This is the weirdest flex of "manliness" I've heard yet.

Isn't slitting your wrists and bleeding out slowly actually more horrific than blowing your brains out? Because bullet to the brain is instant death, whereas the slow way means you're feeling it slowly as you lose consciousness and the world goes blurry.

BOO HOO I'M SO EMO

 

[skykiii]

BOO HOO I'M SO EMO

So are you saying it doesn't work that way? Are you saying the bullet actually is slower and more painful?

Because otherwise you're just posting a meaningless spergout response.

 

[cleanerfromvenus]

So are you saying it doesn't work that way? Are you saying the bullet actually is slower and more painful?

Because otherwise you're just posting a meaningless spergout response.

It's the method not the speed. There is no glory in suicide. In the end if you're going to do it make it quick and as painless as possible. Being dramatic is feminine not masculine. It's really not that hard to understand.

 

[Tablet County]

This is the weirdest flex of "manliness" I've heard yet.

Isn't slitting your wrists and bleeding out slowly actually more horrific than blowing your brains out? Because bullet to the brain is instant death, whereas the slow way means you're feeling it slowly as you lose consciousness and the world goes blurry.

And slitting your wrists to kill yourself is classic Roman shit, so really that guy just was the ultimate RETVRNfag.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Objective, subjective...I'm the guy with the gun.