Are Italians white?

[Basil II]

The only people who genuinely believe Italians aren't White are ninety-something WASP semi-corpses, Varg Vikernes, or some really autistic black supremacists trying to pull a "We Wuz Kangz" on Rome instead of the usual picks of Egypt or Ancient Israel.

I mean, the "whole country dedicated to lounging around drinking" can also be applied to Ireland, Scotland, and the bulk of Eastern Europe as well.

Europeans drink like fish compared to Americans while Celtic and Slavic peoples drink like deep sea bacteria compared to Europeans.

Spoiler: Side Sperging

If any White group can be deemed "the niggers of Europe", it'd probably be the Celtic countries since the first street gangs in America were Irish Catholics while the Scots-Irish/Ulster Scots Protestants became hillbilly rednecks when they settled in the New World.

Both redneck and jogger culture is directly derived from Scots-Irish border reiver culture that was a big thing among the peasantry in Ireland and Scotland during the 1500's and 1600's. Based black man Thomas Sowell even wrote a whole book and several thesis papers on the phenomenon.

if any whites are the niggers of europe it's gonna be albania.

 

[Syaoran Li]

How and when did the discussion of Italians not being White coming from?

Is the right wing going back to those days when the KKK would considered White mainly Catholic and not Protestant or Irish or what have you?

Pretty much this.

The "Italians are not White" meme originated with the anti-Catholic sentiments of the 1800's and early 1900's and it also applied to Irish, Hungarians, and Slavic peoples as well.

Because Italians are more likely to tan better than Nordics, they occasionally get hit with it. Nevermind that the Celtic peoples are just as bad about it, despite the stereotype of Scots and Irish being translucent gingers the most common phenotypes in Ireland, Scotland, and Wales are more in line with a rural Southern Frenchman (AKA not a Norman or a Germanic), or a Northern or Central Italian except with a higher concentration of green eyes as opposed to brown or hazel eyes.

The Welsh, Manx, and Scots-Irish in particular tend to be more likely to have this look. The pale freckled redhead is mostly a thing in the Highlands and certain coastal regions of Ireland.

Rowan Atkinson and the late Terry Jones were pure-blooded Celtic (both were Welsh) and look more like a stereotypical Southern European than Frank Sinatra did. By Sargon's logic, neither of them would be White despite both of them having roots in the UK same as him.


In Europe, it's usually applied to Eastern Europe and Southern Europe partly because of Hitler's race theories on the Slavs (in the case of the former) and anti-EU sentiment (in the case of the latter)

 

[Darksy DePhil]

They're a lot less cucked than anglos or whatever the fuck stormfags consider "TRUE & HONEST Whites" currently.

 

[Basil II]

Eventually you start finding new fronts for this topic, like exact skin color, tanning ability, language origin, and haplogroup and finally determine no one is white with the exception of a single village in Iceland.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

The white ones are.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Eventually you start finding new fronts for this topic, like exact skin color, tanning ability, language origin, and haplogroup and finally determine no one is white with the exception of a single village in Iceland.

What I consider to be white is the aggregated average genetic percentage of everyone in the world who considers themselves to be white. I haven't done the calculation myself, but I'd imagine it's somewhere in the range of 70-60% European. Of course you will get 99% African people muddying up the numbers, but generally you will get a solid idea of who is white and who's not.

 

[Jewthulhu]

>White are called Caucasian
>Caucasian refers to the Caucasus Mountains
>The Caucasus Mountains are in Georgia
Therefore, only Georgians can be white

 

[Syaoran Li]

>White are called Caucasian
>Caucasian refers to the Caucasus Mountains
>The Caucasus Mountains are in Georgia
Therefore, only Georgians can be white

TIL that Tim Wilson, Jeff Foxworthy, Mark Rein-Hagen, Doc Holliday, and Ted Turner are definitely White, but so are Hank Aaron, MLK, and Killer Mike.

By that same token, Sargon and The Golden One are not White.

Maybe if Sargon was from Macon or Atlanta and not some shithole town in England, he'd have room to criticize Southern Europeans...

 

[L50LasPak]

A lot of leftists are hell bent on destroying any semblance of white identity. Even Joe Rogan, to an extent, doesn't think Italians are white. Sargon "dumb fuck" of Akkad also believes that southern Europeans aren't white. There's a lot to be gained for the left if they deconstruct European identity, so that's what they're doing.

Eugenics outlines pretty clearly what few races can actually be considered whites. Anglo, Welsh, Scots, Scandinavians (btfo Finland) and Germans. Only half the Dutch are allowed in (Frisians). Everyone else is either contaminated with African blood, Asiatic, or Irish.

As for dismantling "European" identity, uh, what identity? You people all hate each other and are constantly jockeying for more clout amongst yourselves. The idea that there's anything resembling a singular European identity is laughable. You could be one of those people who considers "The West" one unified entity, but that's such a vague blanket term its might as well be useless. It also forces the USA to be in the same category as Europe, which I find insulting.

 

[cypocryphy]

@wagglyplacebo remember my hair? think about that....

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Eugenics outlines pretty clearly what few races can actually be considered whites. Anglo, Welsh, Scots, Scandinavians (btfo Finland) and Germans. Only half the Dutch are allowed in (Frisians). Everyone else is either contaminated with African blood, Asiatic, or Irish.

As for dismantling "European" identity, uh, what identity? You people all hate each other and are constantly jockeying for more clout amongst yourselves. The idea that there's anything resembling a singular European identity is laughable. You could be one of those people who considers "The West" one unified entity, but that's such a vague blanket term its might as well be useless. It also forces the USA to be in the same category as Europe, which I find insulting.

I meant European identity in the American context. In Europe there's no big unity among themselves. When I say the left is trying to dismantle white identity it's only in the American where that statement makes sense. They don't want white Americans (the predominant base of Trump) to be able to organize effectively. White Americans have a common culture, language and constitution. White Americans, despite their genetic differences, are effectively one ethnic group like the Germans. There is a difference between Swabians and Saxons and there's a difference between Ohioans and Floridians but ultimately they are part of one group

I'm not a supporter of eugenics.

I don't think European unity (in Europe) is valuable or good. I'm a jingoist who supports war wherever it happens. We need more war in Europe not less. Countries should fragment themselves into smaller states so they can fight each other without as many causalities.

 

[L50LasPak]

I meant European identity in the American context. In Europe there's no big unity among themselves. When I say the left is trying to dismantle white identity it's only in the American where that statement makes sense. They don't want white Americans (the predominant base of Trump) to be able to organize effectively. White Americans have a common culture, language and constitution. White Americans, despite their genetic differences, are effectively one ethnic group like the Germans. There is a difference between Swabians and Saxons and there's a difference between Ohioans and Floridians but ultimately they are part of one group

That common identity is called "being American". And I'm fine letting non-whites in so long as they act American as well. I've met enough to believe it can work, we're just going about it the wrong way.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

That common identity is called "being American". And I'm fine letting non-whites in so long as they act American as well. I've met enough to believe it can work, we're just going about it the wrong way.

I don't disagree, but we can see that forcing people of different dispositions into one identity doesn't work out too well. Iran is still trying to create one common identity with Persians and the other 13 different ethnic groups in that country after 100 years. The Soviet Union failed in creating the Soviet identity in spite of the fact that everyone knew Russian. America still has a couple hiccups with the assimilation of Europeans too. Portuguese-Americans are the poorest white Americans, much like they are in Europe; the English population still has large genetically unassimilated strongholds and Scotch-Irish still maintain their native culture in Appalachia despite them being one of the oldest ethnic groups in America.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Eugenics outlines pretty clearly what few races can actually be considered whites. Anglo, Welsh, Scots, Scandinavians (btfo Finland) and Germans. Only half the Dutch are allowed in (Frisians). Everyone else is either contaminated with African blood, Asiatic, or Irish.

As for dismantling "European" identity, uh, what identity? You people all hate each other and are constantly jockeying for more clout amongst yourselves. The idea that there's anything resembling a singular European identity is laughable. You could be one of those people who considers "The West" one unified entity, but that's such a vague blanket term its might as well be useless. It also forces the USA to be in the same category as Europe, which I find insulting.

The problem with the old theory of Eugenics is that depending on which side of the Atlantic you were on, it was pretty much cooked up for political reasons by either WASP geezers pissed off at all those Catholics immigrating to America or by Vrill Society/Theosophy occultist loons whose entire view of race and eugenics was derived from a mix of an early science fiction novel written by the same guy who coined "It was a dark and stormy night" and a Marvel-tier understanding of Norse Mythology but who also were lucky enough to have adherents closely tied to the Nazi party in the 1930's.

The Vrill Society, Society of Thule, and the Theosophists were like the Victorian and Edwardian Era/Belle Epoque equivalent of Scientology, but with mystical Aryan blood in the place of thetan levels

 

[Gentleman Gamer]

Anyone who is an Indigenous European is white in my opinion.

 

[Forgetful Kiwi]

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Regardless of historical content, isn't anyone who doesn't have actual black skin, white, including blacks themselves?

 

[Dom Cruise]

This whole debate is retarded, if you are European then you are our modern understanding of "white"

 

[Chongqing]

Don't get me wrong, Italians are no whiter than Turks. However, because of Rome (and all of the cultural history that goes with it), they are white.

Their religion helps them seem more white than they look, I guess. That's my opinion.

This whole debate is retarded, if you are European then you are our modern understanding of "white"

But slavs aren't white, and slavs border Greece. I think it's more complicated.

Are Spaniards white? A lot of people in America may say no, incorrectly. But there is some grey area here.

 

[L50LasPak]

The problem with the old theory of Eugenics is that depending on which side of the Atlantic you were on, it was pretty much cooked up for political reasons by either WASP geezers pissed off at all those Catholics immigrating to America or by Vrill Society/Theosophy occultist loons whose entire view of race and eugenics was derived from a mix of an early science fiction novel written by the same guy who coined "It was a dark and stormy night" and a Marvel-tier understanding of Norse Mythology but who also were lucky enough to have adherents closely tied to the Nazi party in the 1930's.

The Vrill Society, Society of Thule, and the Theosophists were like the Victorian and Edwardian Era/Belle Epoque equivalent of Scientology, but with mystical Aryan blood in the place of thetan levels

I like to continuously remind people of how Eugenics functions because at the end of the day you never know if the guy talking about "The West" or white identity in general is going to dig out one of those old manuals and use it to justify turning against you for some arbitrary bloodline you happen to be descended from. And yes while a lot of it was cooked up due to anti-Catholic sentiment, it does also have some roots in English-German aristocracy, which in my opinion makes it even more dangerous since it gives people the mistaken impression that they're descended from nobility just because of their race.