US AP: Panel: Military needs gun safety measures to limit suicides - The panel said the department should raise the minimum age for service members to buy guns and ammunition to 25, and should also require anyone living in military housing to register all privately owned firearms.

Panel: Military needs gun safety measures to limit suicides
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Lolita C. Baldor
2023-02-24 23:23:12GMT

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Defense Department should implement a series of gun safety measures to reduce suicides in the force, an independent committee recommended Friday, calling for waiting periods for the purchase of firearms and ammunition by service members on military property.

The panel said the department should also raise the minimum age for service members to buy guns and ammunition to 25, and should also require anyone living in military housing to register all privately owned firearms. In addition, the panel said the department should restrict the possession and storage of privately owned firearms in military barracks and dorms.

The report reflects increasing concerns about suicides in the military, despite more than a decade of programs and other efforts to prevent them and spur greater intervention by commanders, friends and family members. But gun safety and control measures are likely to face resistance, particularly in Congress, where such legislation has struggled in recent years.

The committee released its findings in a report Friday, saying the Pentagon needs to improve and modernize its suicide prevention training, and take steps to address risk factors such as alcohol use, in order to address recurring spikes in suicides.

“Despite considerable investment in suicide prevention strategies, DOD (the Defense Department) has shown an increasing trend over a 15-year period in suicide rates,” said Jerry Reed, a consultant for the panel.

The report said the military infrastructure and other systems have not kept up with the changes in technology. All of that, it said, increases stress and the risks of suicide.

Confirming findings in annual suicide reports, the panel noted that about 66% of all active-duty military suicides —- and more than 70% of those by National Guard and Reserve members — are done with firearms. It said reducing access to guns could prevent some deaths.

Craig Bryan, a clinical psychologist and member of the Suicide Prevention and Response Independent Review Committee, said the department should slow down troops’ access to guns — specifically those bought in stores on bases — so people under stress can survive periods of high risk.

He likened the expanded gun safety measures to requirements that the department puts on motorcycle usage — such as mandated helmets — that are often more strict than some state laws. Asked how likely such changes would be, Bryan said he believes troops are more receptive to such limits than civilians may be.

“My sense is that so many of us who have served have lost friends to suicide. And so many of those suicides involve firearms, that we recognize that there is a connection between the two,” said Bryan. “Many of us are tired of our friends and loved ones dying and we recognize that we have to absolutely take on this issue.”

He said the choice of age 25 was driven by historical patterns and data, which showed that half of all military suicides happened between the ages of 21 and 25, and that the use of guns for suicides by service members — particularly men — increased after the age of 21.

The panel also concluded that alcohol use and financial problems are often connected to suicides. As a result, it recommended the department fix pay systems to avoid delays, and address excessive alcohol use.

The commission also said the department’s “complex and rigid hierarchical structure” impedes its ability to do effective suicide prevention.

Suicides across the active-duty U.S. military decreased a bit during the 18 months from 2021 through June 2022, driven by sharp drops in the Air Force and Marine Corps last year and a similar decline among Army soldiers during the first six months of this year, according to a Pentagon report.

But those numbers show a dramatic reversal of what has been a fairly steady increase in recent years.
 
My experience with the Army was that Command viewed the privates as fucking children in an adult day care. State side anyway. I got the privilege of seeing how USAREUR worked, vs. CONUS, and it was night and day. The European deployed army had that "deployment mindset" that said if you were smart enough to navigate international travel, follow your orders, wind up here, you can be trusted to actually be an adult until such time as you disprove that trust.

You would have Privates on their 4 day federal holidays fucking off to Greece or the UK, international travel with no leave, and the 1st Sergeant would just say "be at formation on Tuesday or I will have your fucking ass". The 18 year old's could all buy Liquor from the post store (18 is the legal drinking age in Germany) and so on.

I get to CONUS after 2 years of that and it was a culture shock. I felt I was back in High School. Everything I did had to be micromanaged. I couldn't take a shit without asking daddy for permission first. And mind you, this was 10 years ago now. I imagine its gotten even worse since then.
USAREUR felt the "The Real Army" and fucking CONUS felt like a bunch of fucking retards yelling at everyone about shit they didn't understand.

In the 80's USAREUR was the fucking bomb. Then you get back to CONUS in the 1990's and wonder "WTF is this bullshit?"

We'd go to the bar, have a few drinks, go home, act like fucking adults because we were treated like adults.

Nowadays, the zero tolerance bullshit has officers and SNCO's crawling up everyone's ass.

They wonder why the suicides are so fucking high?

And what is it with this "25 is now when you are an adult! Not 18! Not 16! 25!"

That's half a fucking male's lifespan unless you wanna count wishing they were dead.

Why are they trying to make 25 adulthood? I'd been deployed and fought in multiple theaters by that time, been all over the world.
 
Why are they trying to make 25 adulthood? I'd been deployed and fought in multiple theaters by that time, been all over the world.
There is some psychological literature that says the male brain does not stabilize into its "permanent" state until 25. Of course they also ignore that by 25 most men historically have had children in the picture.

More broadly though the Army is run by the beaurocratic class, and the beaurocratic class are micro managing little weasels who just want everyone to behave efficiently and all in accordance to the plan and mathematical projections.
 
Remind me to get drunk and tell all of you about the Tale of the Racist Wall Hanging some day.
You already did. Battalion commander was a genius who went to WEST POINT and yet was so much of a fucking retard he couldn't tell the Union Jack from the Stars and Bars.

And this was on an Iron Maiden poster, too.
 
I had that happen after I graduated jump master course. I had a room inspection. I had learned from my 11Bs that you could tilt the shitty particle board TV stand on its side for more desk room.

E8 walks into my room. "Hey SGT. x who told you that you could do this" *at parade rest in my own room* "Uh 1SG no one but it gives me more study room for night classes". *Visible look of disgust* "You know your signed for this furniture. Wouldn't want to pay for it right? *Turns to my shitheel boss* Hey SFC Retard make sure this gets squared away".

Mind you I was signed for a half million in property book AND had just returned from a course where paratrooper lives are in fact in my hands, nah nigger you gotta worry about damaging your shitty furniture.

My head hurts just thinking of how pissed I was. In my own room I'm being micromanaged by two retards. There is no escape.

Fuck me I hated the barracks. No wonder why retards marry strippers just to get out.
Worst room inspection I had was getting my ass reamed for daring to sleep in my room during daylight hours. We do field day the night before, everything's squared away morning of, get done early and everyone gets cut loose because none of the retarded staff are around. Go back to my room, fuck it, I'll take a nice little nap. Next thing I know; "WAAAAAAAAAKE UUUUUUUP!!!!!!!!" Fucking fall out of bed, no idea what's going on, get on my feet, "Huh?" "The fuck do you think you're doing Marine?!" "I uh, I was sleeping Gunnery Sergeant." Fucking silly me for sleeping on the Marine Corps's time, because I'm not a night-shift/day-sleeper, so I need to either be awake or outside of my room. Also failed inspection, because using your room for something other than where to stuff your uniforms is fucking wrong.
 
Military moves to cut suicides, but defers action on guns
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Tara Copp and Lolita C. Baldor
2023-03-16 18:21:19GMT

WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin ordered a number of improvements in mental health care on Thursday to reduce suicides in the military, but held off on endorsing more controversial recommendations to restrict gun and ammunition purchases by young troops, sending them to another panel for study.

An independent committee in late February recommended that the Defense Department implement a series of gun safety measures, including waiting periods for the purchase of firearms and ammunition by service members on military property and raising the minimum age for service members to buy guns and ammunition to 25.

In a memo released Thursday, Austin called for the establishment of a suicide prevention working group to “assess the advisability and feasibility” of recommendations made by the initial study committee — which would include the gun measures. And he asked for cost estimates and a description of any “barriers” to implementing other changes. At no point did he specifically refer to the gun proposals or mention gun safety.

His orders reflect increasing concerns about suicides in the military, despite more than a decade of programs and other efforts to prevent them and spur greater intervention by commanders, friends and family members. But his omission of any gun safety and control measures underscore the likelihood that they would face staunch resistance, particularly in Congress, where such legislation has struggled in recent years.

The more immediate changes address broader access to care.

To more quickly provide help for troops who may be struggling, Austin directed the Pentagon to hire more behavioral health specialists and implement a scheduling system for appointments where patients receive multiple health care visits weekly when they first seek care.

He also ordered military primary care health clinics to screen for unhealthy levels of alcohol use, make unhealthy alcohol use treatment easier to receive and make sure that mental health care is available through service members’ primary care as well.

The initial study committee recommended that the department require anyone living in military housing to register all privately owned firearms. In addition, the panel said the department should restrict the possession and storage of privately owned firearms in military barracks and dorms.

Confirming findings in annual suicide reports, the panel noted that about 66% of all active-duty military suicides —- and more than 70% of those by National Guard and Reserve members — are done with firearms. It said reducing access to guns could prevent some deaths.

Craig Bryan, a clinical psychologist and member of the Suicide Prevention and Response Independent Review Committee, said the department should slow down troops’ access to guns — specifically those bought in stores on bases — so people under stress can survive periods of high risk.

He likened the expanded gun safety measures to requirements that the department puts on motorcycle usage — such as mandated helmets — that are often more strict than some state laws. Asked how likely such changes would be, Bryan said he believes troops are more receptive to such limits than civilians may be.
 
My brother found a guy in the middle of hanging himself in boot camp when on fire watch. Grabbed his legs and yelled for help while the guy was panic kicking him.

The issue is that for a while they’ve create an environment where you can’t go to anyone. They destroyed almost a century of tradition to welcome women into the military and from there troons and fags.

It takes a rare type of woman to not emasculate men, and the type they have are sluts, obese blackwomen, and heartless cunts. The worst bosses I’ve had were women and fags and that’s most of the military now.
 
Craig Bryan, a clinical psychologist and member of the Suicide Prevention and Response Independent Review Committee, said the department should slow down troops’ access to guns — specifically those bought in stores on bases — so people under stress can survive periods of high risk.

He likened the expanded gun safety measures to requirements that the department puts on motorcycle usage — such as mandated helmets — that are often more strict than some state laws. Asked how likely such changes would be, Bryan said he believes troops are more receptive to such limits than civilians may be.

Well this guy is looking to cuck the average American GI even further lol.

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If there's any group of people in the US that I believe will gladly give up their right to own guns as payment for them serving their country, it's military men.

An plan to disarm the US veterans is absolutely not gonna go terribly terribly wrong and result in some sort of Ruby Ridge 2.0 situation
 
An plan to disarm the US veterans is absolutely not gonna go terribly terribly wrong and result in some sort of Ruby Ridge 2.0 situation
Won't be ruby ridge. Ruby ridge was a poor man and his family trying not to get fucked over by the government. While everyone else just stood around hoping the government goons would come to their senses.

No, this will be the Irish troubles or post invasion iraq. Gonna be a lot of very trained, very angry guys with experience gonna make some federal agents buy the farm.

All in minecraft of course.
 
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