US AP: Panel: Military needs gun safety measures to limit suicides - The panel said the department should raise the minimum age for service members to buy guns and ammunition to 25, and should also require anyone living in military housing to register all privately owned firearms.

Panel: Military needs gun safety measures to limit suicides
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Lolita C. Baldor
2023-02-24 23:23:12GMT

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Defense Department should implement a series of gun safety measures to reduce suicides in the force, an independent committee recommended Friday, calling for waiting periods for the purchase of firearms and ammunition by service members on military property.

The panel said the department should also raise the minimum age for service members to buy guns and ammunition to 25, and should also require anyone living in military housing to register all privately owned firearms. In addition, the panel said the department should restrict the possession and storage of privately owned firearms in military barracks and dorms.

The report reflects increasing concerns about suicides in the military, despite more than a decade of programs and other efforts to prevent them and spur greater intervention by commanders, friends and family members. But gun safety and control measures are likely to face resistance, particularly in Congress, where such legislation has struggled in recent years.

The committee released its findings in a report Friday, saying the Pentagon needs to improve and modernize its suicide prevention training, and take steps to address risk factors such as alcohol use, in order to address recurring spikes in suicides.

“Despite considerable investment in suicide prevention strategies, DOD (the Defense Department) has shown an increasing trend over a 15-year period in suicide rates,” said Jerry Reed, a consultant for the panel.

The report said the military infrastructure and other systems have not kept up with the changes in technology. All of that, it said, increases stress and the risks of suicide.

Confirming findings in annual suicide reports, the panel noted that about 66% of all active-duty military suicides —- and more than 70% of those by National Guard and Reserve members — are done with firearms. It said reducing access to guns could prevent some deaths.

Craig Bryan, a clinical psychologist and member of the Suicide Prevention and Response Independent Review Committee, said the department should slow down troops’ access to guns — specifically those bought in stores on bases — so people under stress can survive periods of high risk.

He likened the expanded gun safety measures to requirements that the department puts on motorcycle usage — such as mandated helmets — that are often more strict than some state laws. Asked how likely such changes would be, Bryan said he believes troops are more receptive to such limits than civilians may be.

“My sense is that so many of us who have served have lost friends to suicide. And so many of those suicides involve firearms, that we recognize that there is a connection between the two,” said Bryan. “Many of us are tired of our friends and loved ones dying and we recognize that we have to absolutely take on this issue.”

He said the choice of age 25 was driven by historical patterns and data, which showed that half of all military suicides happened between the ages of 21 and 25, and that the use of guns for suicides by service members — particularly men — increased after the age of 21.

The panel also concluded that alcohol use and financial problems are often connected to suicides. As a result, it recommended the department fix pay systems to avoid delays, and address excessive alcohol use.

The commission also said the department’s “complex and rigid hierarchical structure” impedes its ability to do effective suicide prevention.

Suicides across the active-duty U.S. military decreased a bit during the 18 months from 2021 through June 2022, driven by sharp drops in the Air Force and Marine Corps last year and a similar decline among Army soldiers during the first six months of this year, according to a Pentagon report.

But those numbers show a dramatic reversal of what has been a fairly steady increase in recent years.
 
You are already required to register weapons with the base if you live in base housing and are not permitted to keep them in your barracks room if you are housed in the barracks. Once again lawmakers and journalists don't know the facts of what they are talking about. Once again I find that it is all so tiresome.
 
It doesn't help you have less freedom than you can possibly think of. They'll make you responsible for multi-million dollars of gear and equipment that can destroy entire city blocks... but you're not responsible enough to have a microwave or God forbid a fucking hot plate in your room. Micro-managing shit like that is what causes depression, because while that example may seem small, it extends into other shit.
Troof dat. Believe it or not, in the mid-80's to early 90's, there was a time, least in the AF, where everyone was treated as adults and professionals. I perceived a minimum of bullshit, let me put more into getting my mission done. Then "Total Quality Management" came in, heralding a time of increasing bullshit and pettiness. By the time retirement came around in 98 it wasn't only not the same AF I first joined, or the AF I was commissioned into, wasn't even the same AF of five years prior. The "political" generals and the micromanagers had won out over the warfighters.
 
Maybe the disproportionately patriotic and White troops don't like being used and abused by an uncaring Judeo-Communist Banana Republic which is currently replacing them with the Turd World... Maybe that's why suicides are so high?

I knew shit was bad, but when I saw this vid I just felt tired.
 
I also blame zero tolerance.

We got up to some stupid shit, even the females, but it was largely looked at as blowing off steam or just being dipshits. We did our jobs, which was dangerous as fuck, and command let us act like retards.

Hell, my unit had more 'death by misadventure' and 'training accidents' as well as 'line of duty' than we had suicides, and we were in a shitty place, in shitty barracks, during a shitty time.

But our personally owned weapons were either up at the Rod & Gun in the locker, or in the arms room. On-post people were allowed weapons in their homes, same with off-post.

What we didn't have was mental health or alcohol/substance abuse treatment worth a damn.

Well, that and medical care worth a damn.
 
This is changing. Many years ago while on active duty was sent to local VA clinic for treatment not available at the base clinic.
It's still generally true. VA barely has enough capacity for its own population in most locations, and outside Lovell FHCC they never bothered to vet everyone for access to DOD medical records. I have no idea how that'll work when/if they ever finish the EHR project and link their systems; maybe VA access is nerfed so DOD security people are happy.
 
Guess draft registration, enlistment eligibility, and voting ages need upping to 25*, then, too. If 18+ otherwise legal adults are too young to buy their own personal firearms, they're clearly too young to play with guns, tanks, APCs, attack helicopters, etc. on loan from Uncle Sam.

* = Applicable only to non-trooned biological males, OFC. Troons and wahmen exempted from this provision, on account of their status as protected groups.
 
Buddy of mine said during his basic, one of the recruits tried to suicide by tying the extension cord to a floor buffer around his neck and tossing it out the barracks window..... Fortunately, in his haze of despondency, he'd not noticed he was on the 2nd floor and the thing had a LONG cord..... so all it did was destroy the buffer and leave him standing sheepishly by the window with a slackened noose around him until someone in authority found him.....

Shall we track all floor buffer and extension cord purchases too? And ban them for sale to anyone under 25?

Pretty sure your buddy was lying. That or every training company for every branch has a recruit doing the same thing going back till at least the 90s.
 
It doesn't help you have less freedom than you can possibly think of. They'll make you responsible for multi-million dollars of gear and equipment that can destroy entire city blocks... but you're not responsible enough to have a microwave or God forbid a fucking hot plate in your room. Micro-managing shit like that is what causes depression, because while that example may seem small, it extends into other shit.
What's that line from Apocalypse Now?
"We train these kids to kill but we don't let them write "Fuck" on a bomb."
The sheer number of autistic kids that are waived through in the navy's nuclear program is insane. There's minimum 3 walking around on base at any given time with foxtails clipped on when they're not in uniform.
I can think of worse places for autists than being shoved in engineering areas. Sure the place may smell worse than a Russian latrine trench after a bout of food poisoning, but your reactor will run magnificently. Better there than oh... armory duty, as @Jet Fuel Johnny will attest to given how "cleaned" they want weapons to be before they're handed in.
 
It doesn't help you have less freedom than you can possibly think of. They'll make you responsible for multi-million dollars of gear and equipment that can destroy entire city blocks... but you're not responsible enough to have a microwave or God forbid a fucking hot plate in your room. Micro-managing shit like that is what causes depression, because while that example may seem small, it extends into other shit.
I had that happen after I graduated jump master course. I had a room inspection. I had learned from my 11Bs that you could tilt the shitty particle board TV stand on its side for more desk room.

E8 walks into my room. "Hey SGT. x who told you that you could do this" *at parade rest in my own room* "Uh 1SG no one but it gives me more study room for night classes". *Visible look of disgust* "You know your signed for this furniture. Wouldn't want to pay for it right? *Turns to my shitheel boss* Hey SFC Retard make sure this gets squared away".

Mind you I was signed for a half million in property book AND had just returned from a course where paratrooper lives are in fact in my hands, nah nigger you gotta worry about damaging your shitty furniture.

My head hurts just thinking of how pissed I was. In my own room I'm being micromanaged by two retards. There is no escape.

Fuck me I hated the barracks. No wonder why retards marry strippers just to get out.
 
This really pisses me off beyond the gun rights issue. I've lost two of my Marines to suicide and this just goes to show that they don't give a fuck about solving the underlying issues that lead servicemen to suicide, they just don't you to actually do it. they're fine with you living in existential suffering as long as you don't contribute to the bad PR statistic
 
Shitty leadership is the NUMBER ONE problem in the military.

Your stripper wife running off with the kids and your bank account? Move back in the barracks, drink and fight with your boys, heal up. But no, shitty leadership has you go to classes, tells you to do an allotment to her of half your pay, don't give you time to go and cancel utilities and break the lease.

Had a woman whose entire immediate family was wiped out by a drunk driver, including her husband and kid. Chain of command decided she was 'mission essential' and wouldn't let her take emergency leave since there were other family members to handle the issue. She didn't hang herself, but holy shit did she get shitfaced and try to kick in the CO's door with a fucking machete in her hand. (You fucking legend, you)

And it doesn't help that when you get right down to it, most upper level officers and SNCO's are fucking RETARDED.

Remind me to get drunk and tell all of you about the Tale of the Racist Wall Hanging some day.

It'll make you fucking weep.
 
Shitty leadership is the NUMBER ONE problem in the military.

Your stripper wife running off with the kids and your bank account? Move back in the barracks, drink and fight with your boys, heal up. But no, shitty leadership has you go to classes, tells you to do an allotment to her of half your pay, don't give you time to go and cancel utilities and break the lease.

Had a woman whose entire immediate family was wiped out by a drunk driver, including her husband and kid. Chain of command decided she was 'mission essential' and wouldn't let her take emergency leave since there were other family members to handle the issue. She didn't hang herself, but holy shit did she get shitfaced and try to kick in the CO's door with a fucking machete in her hand. (You fucking legend, you)

And it doesn't help that when you get right down to it, most upper level officers and SNCO's are fucking RETARDED.

Remind me to get drunk and tell all of you about the Tale of the Racist Wall Hanging some day.

It'll make you fucking weep.
if there is one thing being in the military gave me, its a number of messed up stories happening thanks to leadership. a number of people had their leave canceled because our commander wanted us to "support" one of the guys who got drunk and crashed into a house. The guy didnt get hurt, only got paperwork. no demotion or anything. everyone else was forced to wear blues for two weeks and we had weekend duty to show our support for the guy. sucked cuz i was planning to visit my dad and it got canceled.
 
Or you could just, I don't know, help the people.
They are helping, as they understand it- all they care about is NUMBER GOES DOWN, and as long as that happens, all the negative externalities- lower morale, reduced readiness, reduced retention, civil rights violations- are someone else's problem. That this is the local equivalent of Foxconn hanging nets so their sweatshop slaves have more trouble killing themselves doesn't bother them at all, for the same insectile reasons.
 
My experience with the Army was that Command viewed the privates as fucking children in an adult day care. State side anyway. I got the privilege of seeing how USAREUR worked, vs. CONUS, and it was night and day. The European deployed army had that "deployment mindset" that said if you were smart enough to navigate international travel, follow your orders, wind up here, you can be trusted to actually be an adult until such time as you disprove that trust.

You would have Privates on their 4 day federal holidays fucking off to Greece or the UK, international travel with no leave, and the 1st Sergeant would just say "be at formation on Tuesday or I will have your fucking ass". The 18 year old's could all buy Liquor from the post store (18 is the legal drinking age in Germany) and so on.

I get to CONUS after 2 years of that and it was a culture shock. I felt I was back in High School. Everything I did had to be micromanaged. I couldn't take a shit without asking daddy for permission first. And mind you, this was 10 years ago now. I imagine its gotten even worse since then.
 
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