US AP: Panel: Military needs gun safety measures to limit suicides - The panel said the department should raise the minimum age for service members to buy guns and ammunition to 25, and should also require anyone living in military housing to register all privately owned firearms.

Panel: Military needs gun safety measures to limit suicides
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Lolita C. Baldor
2023-02-24 23:23:12GMT

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Defense Department should implement a series of gun safety measures to reduce suicides in the force, an independent committee recommended Friday, calling for waiting periods for the purchase of firearms and ammunition by service members on military property.

The panel said the department should also raise the minimum age for service members to buy guns and ammunition to 25, and should also require anyone living in military housing to register all privately owned firearms. In addition, the panel said the department should restrict the possession and storage of privately owned firearms in military barracks and dorms.

The report reflects increasing concerns about suicides in the military, despite more than a decade of programs and other efforts to prevent them and spur greater intervention by commanders, friends and family members. But gun safety and control measures are likely to face resistance, particularly in Congress, where such legislation has struggled in recent years.

The committee released its findings in a report Friday, saying the Pentagon needs to improve and modernize its suicide prevention training, and take steps to address risk factors such as alcohol use, in order to address recurring spikes in suicides.

“Despite considerable investment in suicide prevention strategies, DOD (the Defense Department) has shown an increasing trend over a 15-year period in suicide rates,” said Jerry Reed, a consultant for the panel.

The report said the military infrastructure and other systems have not kept up with the changes in technology. All of that, it said, increases stress and the risks of suicide.

Confirming findings in annual suicide reports, the panel noted that about 66% of all active-duty military suicides —- and more than 70% of those by National Guard and Reserve members — are done with firearms. It said reducing access to guns could prevent some deaths.

Craig Bryan, a clinical psychologist and member of the Suicide Prevention and Response Independent Review Committee, said the department should slow down troops’ access to guns — specifically those bought in stores on bases — so people under stress can survive periods of high risk.

He likened the expanded gun safety measures to requirements that the department puts on motorcycle usage — such as mandated helmets — that are often more strict than some state laws. Asked how likely such changes would be, Bryan said he believes troops are more receptive to such limits than civilians may be.

“My sense is that so many of us who have served have lost friends to suicide. And so many of those suicides involve firearms, that we recognize that there is a connection between the two,” said Bryan. “Many of us are tired of our friends and loved ones dying and we recognize that we have to absolutely take on this issue.”

He said the choice of age 25 was driven by historical patterns and data, which showed that half of all military suicides happened between the ages of 21 and 25, and that the use of guns for suicides by service members — particularly men — increased after the age of 21.

The panel also concluded that alcohol use and financial problems are often connected to suicides. As a result, it recommended the department fix pay systems to avoid delays, and address excessive alcohol use.

The commission also said the department’s “complex and rigid hierarchical structure” impedes its ability to do effective suicide prevention.

Suicides across the active-duty U.S. military decreased a bit during the 18 months from 2021 through June 2022, driven by sharp drops in the Air Force and Marine Corps last year and a similar decline among Army soldiers during the first six months of this year, according to a Pentagon report.

But those numbers show a dramatic reversal of what has been a fairly steady increase in recent years.
 
The panel also concluded that alcohol use and financial problems are often connected to suicides. As a result, it recommended the department fix pay systems to avoid delays, and address excessive alcohol use.
Maybe give army men a livable wage and an easy access to a psychiatrist so they wouldn't want to kill themselves in the first place?
 
My point is, if someone wants to kill themselves, they will. All the gun laws in the world won't stop them. This weaselly attempt to act like they care about the military is retarded and disingenuous.

Buddy of mine said during his basic, one of the recruits tried to suicide by tying the extension cord to a floor buffer around his neck and tossing it out the barracks window..... Fortunately, in his haze of despondency, he'd not noticed he was on the 2nd floor and the thing had a LONG cord..... so all it did was destroy the buffer and leave him standing sheepishly by the window with a slackened noose around him until someone in authority found him.....

Shall we track all floor buffer and extension cord purchases too? And ban them for sale to anyone under 25?


So they want to put an arbitrary age limit on those that sign up to serve our country to get buy guns and they want to track them too? I guess it's cheaper to put arbitrary limits on one's freedoms instead of figuring out why people are killing themselves and improving the lives of those that are strugging.

It's almost like we never learn.
It's worse than that - these "experts" don't WANT to learn, only use others' tragedy to fuel their grifts and slowly ensure supremacy of their political opinions.

The only thing they're "experts" on is suppressing critical thought under a tidal wave of "but the poor X! Don't you care?!"

You don't care either, guys. If these suicides were all hangings or overdoses for the same effect, you wouldn't be proposing anything. You wouldn't even care.


And the courts have already ruled that age-based restrictions on firearms are Unconstitutional - nothing constructive comes from proposals that would be struck down in hours of passing.
 
address excessive alcohol use.
We used to drink ourselves absolutely blind on weekends and get drunk almost every night.

We didn't have a suicide problem because we got everything out of our system by getting drunk and wrestling on the floor, headbutting each other, and acting like jackasses.

Nowadays, they want everyone to be as least aggressive as possible and act like women.
 
We used to drink ourselves absolutely blind on weekends and get drunk almost every night.

We didn't have a suicide problem because we got everything out of our system by getting drunk and wrestling on the floor, headbutting each other, and acting like jackasses.

Nowadays, they want everyone to be as least aggressive as possible and act like women.
Grabass builds camaraderie. If they were serious about the recruitment and retention crisis, they'd encourage it. Alas, they've become allergic to good ideas and common sense.
 
Grabass builds camaraderie. If they were serious about the recruitment and retention crisis, they'd encourage it. Alas, they've become allergic to good ideas and common sense.
Imagine having a problem getting people to volunteer to play with the best machineguns and tanks in the world.... only our sad, sad, modern society could create such a situation by putting padlocks on them and saying "only after you recite all 49 pronouns correctly".
 
Senior NCOS and officers will do literally anything other than try to curb their toxic leadership and help their soldiers. Nah its the plebes fault they kill themselves and to fix it we will further emasculate these "warfighters".

Fuck this panel and their findings.
 
In addition, the panel said the department should restrict the possession and storage of privately owned firearms in military barracks and dorms.

Wat? You where banned from storing any firearm in your barracks room when I was in. Any personal weapon had to be stored in the armory if you lived in the barracks.
Senior NCOS and officers will do literally anything other than try to curb their toxic leadership and help their soldiers. Nah its the plebes fault they kill themselves and to fix it we will further emasculate these "warfighters".
This. When I got back from Afghanistan after a very high tempo deployment we where immediately fucked in the ass by leadership for a solid year.

Month long large scale field exercise(that was easily the most fucked up one ive ever participated in) right after coming off post deployment leave, multiple changes of command and a Sergeant Major who had a stick up his ass the size of a telephone pole who treated us exactly like his boot Marines from his previous unit. Im genuinely surprised no one committed suicide during that time, it was honestly that horrible of a unit.

Leadership only cares about pinning their next rank or retirement, and it shows.
 
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What is this committee? What was its mandate?

It sounds as if the committee was formed with the purpose of mandating these conclusions.
 
In addition, the panel said the department should restrict the possession and storage of privately owned firearms in military barracks and dorms

As far as I know the military doesn't operate any "dorms" so this committee seems suspiciously uninformed.

Also, when did the military reverse it's decades long policies banning firearms in the barracks?

My conclusion is that this committee never actually studied the military and are making these statements because it is what they think "needs to happen"
 
Knew of two active duty suicides during my active-duty career. One second lieutenant in my basic officer class hanged himself in his Visiting Officer's Quarters room's closet, only way they found him was due to the smell. During the second tour at the Defense Language Institute someone shot themselves in their dormitory room. Handled very quietly, only senior staff knew.
 
Meh high suicide rates are endemic to most military's across the world.

I was in the CAF in the 80-90's and even then we had a suicide presentation at least once a quarter. Some dumbass off's himself cuz his wife left him or what ever reason and we all had to sit thru another "don't kill yourselves dumbasss" civvie lecture.

Military life can be very tough and isolating to those who "fail to adapt" as we used to call it. Your peers and your superiors can make your life a living hell without even noticing really. Add in the usual issues that young men struggle with as they move from young adults and into adulthood and it's not a good mix for some types of personalities.

I think I'm one of the unusual types as I loved my time in the military (for the most part, the first 9 months were hellish but it got better then it got awesome) and being medically discharged after my accident was a serious blow. But leaving the CAF did allow me to meet my wife and explore many options then would never have been possible in the service. I ended up having a pretty sweet life outside of what I had originally planned and wouldn't have changed a thing.

That just goes to show that you just have to power thru the dark times because things can get better. When your dead, thats it. No more chances, no more change just dead.
 
In addition, the panel said the department should restrict the possession and storage of privately owned firearms in military barracks and dorms.
This is already prohibited so no sane person keeps their own guns on base. You're not even allowed to keep private firearms in on-base housing, though plenty do.
Obviously an ill informed committee with an agenda.

Knew of two active duty suicides during my active-duty career. One second lieutenant in my basic officer class hanged himself in his Visiting Officer's Quarters room's closet, only way they found him was due to the smell. During the second tour at the Defense Language Institute someone shot themselves in their dormitory room. Handled very quietly, only senior staff knew.
20+ years and only know of two active duty suicides??? Most guys do 1 enlistment and deal with more than that these days.
>only senior staff knew.
Everyone knew.
 
"increasing trend over a 15-year period in suicide rates"

Yeah that tends to happen when you start accepting mentaly ill people
The sheer number of autistic kids that are waived through in the navy's nuclear program is insane. There's minimum 3 walking around on base at any given time with foxtails clipped on when they're not in uniform.
 
VA not sucking ass won't appreciably affect military suicides, as VA generally does not provide health care to the military but to veterans.
This is changing. Many years ago while on active duty was sent to local VA clinic for treatment not available at the base clinic.

Three or four years ago a large, two building combination VA/military clinic was built. Go there maybe twice a year to see audiologist. Never see many people there, and don't remember seeing any active duty people in uniform. Frankly, it's a creepy place and don't like it. Seems like most active-duty people go to the Army clinic on the Presidio of Monterey, which has a pharmacy, unlike the combination VA/military clinic.

Side note re toxic leadership and toxic leaders...these "leaders" spend much more time at work than good leaders, as a rule. The toxic leaders spend so much time screwing with their people they need to stay late to get their own work done. Have seen that myself. Personally, as a commander/leader, stayed late only when operational needs required it, not that often. It is much less work and much more fun to treat your people well. Use the brain to think of ways to make things better for your people. Take care of the people and the people will take care of the mission. True nearly fifty years ago, true now, true forever. Not rocket science.
 
It doesn't help you have less freedom than you can possibly think of. They'll make you responsible for multi-million dollars of gear and equipment that can destroy entire city blocks... but you're not responsible enough to have a microwave or God forbid a fucking hot plate in your room. Micro-managing shit like that is what causes depression, because while that example may seem small, it extends into other shit.
 
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