Anders Breivik Threatens Hunger Strike for Playstation 3

[Duke Nukem]

There's a reason why spree killers in the US kill themselves rather than be taken alive. They know death is waiting for them. It's inevitable. Even if the state doesn't have capitol punishment, they know in the back of their heads that their notoriety in prison will get them beaten to death. I think the only reason Anders is still alive. He knew the prisons over there are a daycamp. He gets treated better after killing 70 children than US prisoners do for selling weed. That's pretty fucked up.

That's one of the biggest reasons I'm losing faith in this country, but I digress.

I know he's not Chris, but he certainly has an entire self-induced fantasy world constructed around himself that's just as laughable in many ways. Obviously I feel for those he attacked and all that but I thought I would comment on his delusions of being a Knights Templar or whatever.

What's next, is he going to beg for online play or something? I mean, damn, this is pretty low even for a man like him.

 

[Some JERK]

I think this is just one of the well-known problems with the law. It's a not-very-well oiled machine, everything is handled mechanically according to some rule books. Which is in a sense good, it means someone's opinions won't influence justice. But the problem is, then cases aren't handled as individual cases, they're handled as "murder case number #7463202" or "drug case number #362034554". So every murderer, regardless of circumstance or intent, gets the same sentence, along with everyone else accused of various crimes.
Justice is a very difficult thing.

"custom tailored justice" is a nightmare realm that is best not ever set foot in.

 

[A-Stump]

If it's hard to think about, to cement the idea in your head of what Anders did, think about it like this;

This forum probably has less than 77 users who come around a LOT. Imagine everyone you know and like here taking a bullet and dying. All of the unique personalities, every different set of opinions, thoughts, desires, and talents just chuffing it. You guys are basically random strangers to me. Yet, if each of you just upped and got killed by a homicidal maniac one day, I would be incredibly sad. And if I was the one shot? I'd want the bastard who did it dead, because I love life.

It's easy just to take the victims as a number. 77. It's just a number, right?

 

[Carlson]

The thing about wanting murderers and such to die for their crimes is that it's very easy to let your emotions take hold. Instead of becoming punishment, or a means of removing a bad egg from the equation, it turns into revenge. That's what leads people to try and hurry along the justice system and execute innocent people: the distraught families and friends of the victim(s) (or people who are just sympathetic) start to want blood.

Also, it doesn't help much that a lot of the modern execution process focuses on making it LOOK clean, rather than actually BEING clean. We prefer things like lethal injection, where you just press some buttons and the guy's life goes away. But it adds complexity, things go wrong, and the person being executed suffers. I know some people want to see them suffer, but that again falls into the trap of letting your emotions rule justice. What would happen if that man you executed, who went through horrific agony from a botched process, turned out to be innocent of the crime?

I think the best way to handle execution would be to make it impersonal and as fast as possible. Decapitation is over quickly, and executions should best be done privately, not even with the family of the murderer's victim watching. The more emotion and a desire for revenge gets involved in sentencing, the more mistakes will be made in the name of justice.

 

[Some JERK]

Also, it doesn't help much that a lot of the modern execution process focuses on making it LOOK clean, rather than actually BEING clean. We prefer things like lethal injection, where you just press some buttons and the guy's life goes away. But it adds complexity, things go wrong, and the person being executed suffers. I know some people want to see them suffer, but that again falls into the trap of letting your emotions rule justice. What would happen if that man you executed, who went through horrific agony from a botched process, turned out to be innocent of the crime?

I think the best way to handle execution would be to make it impersonal and as fast as possible. Decapitation is over quickly, and executions should best be done privately, not even with the family of the murderer's victim watching. The more emotion and a desire for revenge gets involved in sentencing, the more mistakes will be made in the name of justice.

100% of decapitations are fatal. Your head comes off of your body and you die. Period. It's not at all expensive or complicated to construct and maintain a guillotine capable of achieving a 100% decapitation rate.

The same can not be said for lethal injection rooms, gallows, electric chairs, and gas chambers, which are all expensive to construct, maintain, and still won't ensure a 100% kill rate. It's just that decapitations are considered too garish and brutal i guess.

 

[Carlson]

Also, it doesn't help much that a lot of the modern execution process focuses on making it LOOK clean, rather than actually BEING clean. We prefer things like lethal injection, where you just press some buttons and the guy's life goes away. But it adds complexity, things go wrong, and the person being executed suffers. I know some people want to see them suffer, but that again falls into the trap of letting your emotions rule justice. What would happen if that man you executed, who went through horrific agony from a botched process, turned out to be innocent of the crime?

I think the best way to handle execution would be to make it impersonal and as fast as possible. Decapitation is over quickly, and executions should best be done privately, not even with the family of the murderer's victim watching. The more emotion and a desire for revenge gets involved in sentencing, the more mistakes will be made in the name of justice.

100% of decapitations are fatal. Your head comes off of your body and you die. Period. It's not at all expensive or complicated to construct and maintain a guillotine capable of achieving a 100% decapitation rate.

The same can not be said for lethal injection rooms, gallows, electric chairs, and gas chambers, which are all expensive to construct, maintain, and still not ensure a 100% kill rate. It's just that decapitations are considered too garish and brutal i guess.

It's a similar line of thinking to the attempt at banning expanding bullets in warfare. The thinking was that it was "inhumane" to cause such drastic injuries. Bullshit. Bigger wounds mean that the guy hit will die or pass out faster, with less suffering. The ability to quickly stop an assailant is why hollow points are so popular for self-defense and police, and similarly why hunters prefer to use them.

Using a non-expanding round that simply passes through the body mostly undisturbed creates a much cleaner, nicer-looking hole on both ends that doesn't look as bad in pictures and won't creep out soldiers too much to see. But it also means that you're more likely to have a wound that kills relatively slowly from blood loss or infection instead of nervous system damage, and (more importantly) a wound that may be minor enough to leave the guy still shooting back at you.

The same line of thinking is why we use lethal injection: the guy twitches at most, then dies. No blood or body parts, and no face of a guy flailing in agony as he slowly dies. Even though it's notoriously prone to failure and it's fully possible to leave the victim paralyzed and in terrific pain as they die, unable to express it to the crowd, we like it because it's sanitized.

 

[MysticMisty]

I remember this was a while ago, because my mom and I talked about our amazement of how generous this prison is. For comparison, the Maricopa County Jail (up in the Phoenix area) keeps it's convicted prisoners outside year round with no AC (yes, even in the Arizona summer!) and serves them green lunchmeat they have to pay for.

My experiences in dealing with Sheriff Joes lovely summer estates were not this bad. I have had a few family members who spent some time in prison and the food was roughly school quality, and they received access to health care and adult education.

I'm actually kind of surprised. But then I don't know anyone who's been to jail or prison and I don't live in the Phoenix area anyways so I really don't know what it's like there.

 

[A-Stump]

Hunters don't often use hollow points though. It tears apart the tissue and is only used for trophy game and nuisances.

Just a random fact

 

[Some JERK]

So anyway they should just tell this dude to fuck himself, he's not getting a life upgrade, and that if he tries to go on a hunger strike, they'll hit him w a horse tranquilizer and he'll wake up strapped to a hospital bed being fed through a fucking tube. He is not in control, and that's that.

 

[cypocryphy]

I'm against the death penalty, but at the same time I wouldn't lose any sleep if I heard about something horrible happening to this fucker or anyone else of his kind.

 

[Da Pickle Monsta]

Anders Breivik has acutely demonstrated his lack of compassion for his victims.

Hence, a hunger strike and denial of PS3 are very appropriate punishments.

 

[Right Back Man]

Though this is terrible and idiotic, I don't think this makes him a lolcow, just a dumbass.

 

[Pikonic]

I told my boyfriend this story and his response was "send him to a prison in North Korea for a few days, he'll BEG for his old jail back"