Anders Breivik Threatens Hunger Strike for Playstation 3

[Bob's Fries]

...why is this fucker still alive?

 

[Carlson]

Are we positive that this isn't a satirical piece?

 

[kagayaki]

If Anders wants a PC, then how about an early 1980s model with no graphics support? Just text on a monochrome screen, that is.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

Are we positive that this isn't a satirical piece?

OP lists 2 reliable sources, so yes, Breivik actually thinks his human rights are being violated because he has an older vidya console and only gets a typewriter to correspond with his loved ones and "fans." I'm glad he doesn't like being in jail, it means they're doing their job.

As other posters have said, no one feels bad for him not having the latest vidya and being denied a computer. I'm sure there are poor Norwegians who don't have access to video games or a computer and don't think their human rights are being violated.

I've heard prisons have libraries and gyms for recreation for the prisoners, but needless to say whether or not the prisoners are having a good time isn't the most important thing on the guards' minds.

 

[Watcher]

I've heard prisons have libraries and gyms for recreation for the prisoners, but needless to say whether or not the prisoners are having a good time isn't the most important thing on the guards' minds.

In other countries prisons typically have libraries and gyms for recreation and rehabilitation. I know in other countries as well as the states they have a lot of other things prisoners can do. Like they occasionally have a woodshop so prisoners can make furniture for their cells. They also typically have schools so prisoners can learn vocational tasks and get their GED so when they leave prison they can go to college or get a job.

In Canada I know prisons typically have an economy. Like the prisoners can get their basic needs fulfilled but if they want a single luxury they need to pay for it in a prison store. Usually by working a job in the prison like as a cook.

With regard to the justice system in Norway I should probably mention some statistics

71 out of every 100,000 citizens in Norway are incarcerated. Compared to 743 out of every 100 000 in the US

Prison Recidivism(Getting out of prison and getting arrested again) in Norway is 20%. In the US 67% of offenders are re-arrested, and 52% are re-incarcerated.

Now there's a lot of arguments to be made related to why those numbers are so drastically different but it should illustrate that they have reasons for why their justice system is so liberal. It's also worth noting that while he has the maximum sentence in Norway (21 years). At the very end of his sentence he is going to be evaluated to determine if he has actually been rehabilitated, and events such as this play into that. He could potentially spend the rest of his life in prison if he stays smug. It's treated very similarly to a mental health facility in that regard.

 

[garbageraider]

It's also worth noting that while he has the maximum sentence in Norway (21 years). At the very end of his sentence he is going to be evaluated to determine if he has actually been rehabilitated, and events such as this play into that. He could potentially spend the rest of his life in prison if he stays smug.

He's never geting out of prison. If you go on a shooting/bombing rampage where you kill almost 100 people, you can't be rehabilitated.

 

[Watcher]

It's also worth noting that while he has the maximum sentence in Norway (21 years). At the very end of his sentence he is going to be evaluated to determine if he has actually been rehabilitated, and events such as this play into that. He could potentially spend the rest of his life in prison if he stays smug.

He's never geting out of prison. If you go on a shooting/bombing rampage where you kill almost 100 people, you can't be rehabilitated.

Well yeah ultimately it is a formality. I am still very curious to hear what his reaction is going to be in 21 years when they deny him release.

I'd laugh if they didn't allow him to upgrade his PS2 at all for the remainder of the 21 years and finally give him a PS3 at the very end.

 

[Backwards Harvester]

I never really thought an eye for an eye was mature. That's what cavemen do. Civilized people can feel, they can understand psychology. You can either rehabilitate someone, or even psychologically torture them with solitary confinement and force them to reflect on what they did. But damn, I don't think there's anything more barbaric than killing. And killing a killer only makes you as bad as that killer. "Those who fight monsters becomes monsters themselves"
I don't want to start a debate though, this is purely my opinion.

Well. you're getting rid of someone who doesn't deserve to be eating food, drinking fresh water, breathing clean air, feeding off of the taxes of others, using electricity, taking up space. What use has the world for such refuse? There are over 7 billion other people here. Who will miss him?

A good idea instead would be to simply tell him he was getting an Xbox One... wait three months, and give him an a cardboard box with on it, and a trollface painted on the inside, should he open it.

 

[exball]

Who will miss him?

His fanbase of 1 billion people.

 

[Watcher]

Well. you're getting rid of someone who doesn't deserve to be eating food, drinking fresh water, breathing clean air, feeding off of the taxes of others, using electricity, taking up space. What use has the world for such refuse? There are over 7 billion other people here. Who will miss him?

The guy still isn't a dog you can simply put to sleep. He's a human being.

I mean executing the guy for being an asshole and using the taxes of others and electricity means we should start executing anyone with a high prison sentence. Or anyone who is homeless.

This is a big reason why cruel and unusual punishment isn't allowed in Western Society. Yes the guy murdered 77 people. I still think that him spending the rest of his life in prison where nobody cares about what he says, rather than dying and being a martyr for racists is a more humane punishment. There were already 2 copycats after Breivik who were caught. If he was shot by police or executed by the state I guarantee there'd be more.

 

[A-Stump]

Just because someone looks and acts like a human to some degree doesn't mean they are one. He shot fleeing children in the back using a high powered rifle with a telescopic scope. He removed them from existence and never gave them a chance. He's no human. He's a rabid dog that can speak and whine. He deserves to be put down and discarded in a ditch to rot. No burial, no rites, left to be carrion.

You can tell yourself killing him would do no good. In a way, you're right. It won't make right the people he murdered in cold blood. It probably won't ease the pain of families who now have to be without the ones they love. He's not worth it though. Don't kid yourselves by saying he deserves some sort of mercy. He's not going to suffer in prison. He's going to continue writing missives and playing games while those who were killed rot in their early graves.

 

[extreme_misfortune]

Sorry, but a human is a human. Just because someone's broken because they were never taught morals or values doesn't make them a frankenstein's monster. You can say he gave up humanity when he killed 77 of them, but just because he killed people doesn't mean he suddenly lost the ability to feel, to want, to need. People who act out usually do it as a cry for help, a very human cry at that. regardless of how much of a monster he may be, he's a human monster, made by humans.
You have a point. Killing him won't make a difference to anyone. But that's just giving an excuse for why it won't matter if he dies, you can apply that to anyone, he could have applied that same rule to the people he's killed.

I can see the thoughtflow here. All he did with his life was take others, that isn't really fair. But I guess what I'm trying to say is he's probably such a moron that he doesn't fully understand what he did. I don't think he deserves to die for that. I think what he does deserve is to be given the chance to actually grasp what he's done. If psychologists, grieving families, and time can't manage that, then you can kill him.
I'm not saying that for no reason, there's been killers who have killed people and then deeply regretted it after seeing the family. Those people don't deserve death, because they understand what they did was wrong.

I guess I'm just looking at it through the eyes of a mother figure. Pardon the white knighting!

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Well. you're getting rid of someone who doesn't deserve to be eating food, drinking fresh water, breathing clean air, feeding off of the taxes of others, using electricity, taking up space. What use has the world for such refuse? There are over 7 billion other people here. Who will miss him?

The guy still isn't a dog you can simply put to sleep. He's a human being.

You know, people say this a lot. But if someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night and tries to kill me, and I've got a gun under my pillow, I don't care who the fuck they are. They stop being human in my eyes and I'll shoot them in the head if that's what it takes to stop them from hurting me and my family. I would rather it not get to that point, but I would not feel bad if it did.

I mean executing the guy for being an asshole and using the taxes of others and electricity means we should start executing anyone with a high prison sentence. Or anyone who is homeless.

Strawman. I never said either of those things. Ander's case is clear cut. He confessed, he was proud of his crimes, he should be executed.

I still think that him spending the rest of his life in prison where nobody cares about what he says, rather than dying and being a martyr for racists is a more humane punishment. There were already 2 copycats after Breivik who were caught. If he was shot by police or executed by the state I guarantee there'd be more.

If he were dead he would no longer be able to reach people on the outside world through stuff like this article. I really doubt that keeping him alive is going to prevent other nutjobs from being inspired by his crimes. Instead of being a "martyr," he's a "political prisoner." I do not think there is an appreciable difference in the eyes of those who would emulate him.

Sorry, but a human is a human. Just because someone's broken because they were never taught morals or values doesn't make them a frankenstein's monster.

Not everyone with a bad upbringing becomes a serial bomber. Hell, the majority of psychopaths - people who are hardwired not to feel empathy, who should make perfect killers - go their whole lives never doing anyone any serious harm. He chose this. He has no excuse.

You can say he gave up humanity when he killed 77 of them, but just because he killed people doesn't mean he suddenly lost the ability to feel, to want, to need. People who act out usually do it as a cry for help, a very human cry at that.

He's made the reasons for his crimes clear and they are not that. All higher animals feel, want, and need. There's nothing sacred about it.

regardless of how much of a monster he may be, he's a human monster, made by humans.

So what?

You have a point. Killing him won't make a difference to anyone. But that's just giving an excuse for why it won't matter if he dies, you can apply that to anyone, he could have applied that same rule to the people he's killed.

No one here is doing that.

But I guess what I'm trying to say is he's probably such a moron that he doesn't fully understand what he did. I don't think he deserves to die for that.

No, he does. He confessed his crimes and fully explained his reasons for committing them.

I think what he does deserve is to be given the chance to actually grasp what he's done. If psychologists, grieving families, and time can't manage that, then you can kill him.

So we can kill him then.

I'm not saying that for no reason, there's been killers who have killed people and then deeply regretted it after seeing the family. Those people don't deserve death, because they understand what they did was wrong.

Just understanding that you've done something wrong isn't enough to bring back the dead. Some people - some murderers, even - do deserve second chances, but Anders is not one of them.

 

[exball]

Anders is a fucker and I think euthanasia is to good for him. He should be hung.

 

[Globe]

But I guess what I'm trying to say is he's probably such a moron that he doesn't fully understand what he did.

Not saying you are white knighting, but this is probably exactly the defense he'd be using in the states if there was the possibility of being executed, rather than bragging about his crime and claiming that the Norwegian brass should be pinning a medal on him. And I really can't agree. Anders didn't commit a totally random act of violence. He chose a very specific target because it tied into his demented political beliefs, and he planned and carried out the shooting with a pretty high degree of competence. He knew exactly what he was doing, so the way I see it, he's no less sane than McVeigh or Bin-Laden.

The guy still isn't a dog you can simply put to sleep. He's a human being.

Why not? If we're putting dogs down because their very existence is an inconvenience, what's so wrong about fragging some subhuman, mass-murdering asshole that contributes absolutely nothing to society?

I still think that him spending the rest of his life in prison where nobody cares about what he says, rather than dying and being a martyr for racists is a more humane punishment. There were already 2 copycats after Breivik who were caught. If he was shot by police or executed by the state I guarantee there'd be more.

See, I'm worried more about the spin-scenario of this. What kind of message do you think it's sending to Breivik's copycats and other potential criminals when this prick murders over 70 people and basically gets to lead the rest of his life with zero responsibilities, shelter, food, water and video games? I don't know about you, but if I was considering right-wing terrorism, that'd seem like a pretty sweet deal.

If he were dead he would no longer be able to reach people on the outside world through stuff like this article. I really doubt that keeping him alive is going to prevent other nutjobs from being inspired by his crimes. Instead of being a "martyr," he's a "political prisoner." I do not think there is an appreciable difference in the eyes of those who would emulate him.

Another thing worth considering is how much different the little shit-stain would be behaving if he was having to deal with just the possibility of being executed. He's claimed again and again that he has all these fans and that he lead contingents of other terrorists. For all anybody knows, he's talking out his ass, but that's always going to be a grey area since he really doesn't have anything to lose by keeping his mouth shut. If he really does have ties to other terrorist organizations, I think just the threat of getting executed would be enough to make him sing like a canary.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

The Norwegian government has outlawed capital punishment, and they certainly aren't alone, most industrialized nations have done so - two notable exceptions being the US (capital punishment is illegal in some states) and Japan - so he won't be hanged or put down like a rabid dog.

 

[extreme_misfortune]

All good points CuriousBystander. I shouldn't have even replied at all. I just had such a hard time summing up my thoughts because it feels so wrong to let him die but really everyone for his death has some good points. I guess what I'm trying to say is, regardless of the circumstances, nobody should be killed, and for any time anyone who does kill anyone, it's just a poor accident that shouldn't have happened. One death is bad enough, why keep going with the killing? I guess what I'm saying here is, continuing on with the murdering is only letting evil prevail, it's doing exactly what the killer had intended. Murder.
Ugh, guess it's all just my stupid opinions. I feel like an idiot now.

 

[Globe]

All good points CuriousBystander. I shouldn't have even replied at all. I just had such a hard time summing up my thoughts because it feels so wrong to let him die but really everyone for his death has some good points. I guess what I'm trying to say is, regardless of the circumstances, nobody should be killed, and for any time anyone who does kill anyone, it's just a poor accident that shouldn't have happened. One death is bad enough, why keep going with the killing? I guess what I'm saying here is, continuing on with the murdering is only letting evil prevail, it's doing exactly what the killer had intended. Murder.
Ugh, guess it's all just my stupid opinions. I feel like an idiot now.

Don't. It's a good belief for what it is, it's just too much ideal and not enough pragmatism for me. I consider myself pro death-penalty, but I'm hardly an advocate for it. I'm from Texas, the place that's basically trying to put the capital punishment process in fast-forward, and it's honestly got to be the most depressing fucking thing I've ever seen. People here pop mad boners at the idea of a person being put to death by the state. I think I said it earlier, but it's worth repeating; I'm all in support for rehabilitating criminals (even murderers and pedophiles) when it's possible and erring on the side of caution, because we're offing too many people that either didn't actually do anything wrong or managed to turn themselves around.

But the fact is there are some circumstances where those arguments simply don't work. Anders Breivik is one of them.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

All good points CuriousBystander. I shouldn't have even replied at all. I just had such a hard time summing up my thoughts because it feels so wrong to let him die but really everyone for his death has some good points. I guess what I'm trying to say is, regardless of the circumstances, nobody should be killed, and for any time anyone who does kill anyone, it's just a poor accident that shouldn't have happened. One death is bad enough, why keep going with the killing? I guess what I'm saying here is, continuing on with the murdering is only letting evil prevail, it's doing exactly what the killer had intended. Murder.
Ugh, guess it's all just my stupid opinions. I feel like an idiot now.

Don't. It's a good belief for what it is, it's just too much ideal and not enough pragmatism for me. I consider myself pro death-penalty, but I'm hardly an advocate for it. I'm from Texas, the place that's basically trying to put the capital punishment process in fast-forward, and it's honestly got to be the most depressing fucking thing I've ever seen. People here pop mad boners at the idea of a person being put to death by the state. I think I said it earlier, but it's worth repeating; I'm all in support for rehabilitating criminals (even murderers and pedophiles) when it's possible and erring on the side of caution, because we're offing too many people that either didn't actually do anything wrong or managed to turn themselves around.

But the fact is there are some circumstances where those arguments simply don't work. Anders Breivik is one of them.

This is exactly what I wanted to say. I think there's a lot of merit in the argument that it's better to let a guilty man live than execute 100 innocent men. But there is no question about Ander's guilt.

 

[extreme_misfortune]

I think this is just one of the well-known problems with the law. It's a not-very-well oiled machine, everything is handled mechanically according to some rule books. Which is in a sense good, it means someone's opinions won't influence justice. But the problem is, then cases aren't handled as individual cases, they're handled as "murder case number #7463202" or "drug case number #362034554". So every murderer, regardless of circumstance or intent, gets the same sentence, along with everyone else accused of various crimes.
Justice is a very difficult thing.